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GaryCnf

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172. There is an inherently authoritarian

Sat Mar 31, 2018, 11:48 AM

Mar 2018

Bent to the idea that turn out is the obligation of the voter. It is the obligation of the candidate, the leader, to provide the voter with affirmative reasons to vote. We owe NOTHING to anyone who will not fight for us.

As for voter suppression, the real suppression, it was every bit as bad when Barack ran and we turned out for him.

The establishment has run away from us ever since the Willie Horton ad run against Dukakis. We had a candidate interrupt his campaign to fly home and personally oversee the torture and murder of an incompetent black man. By the time we got to 2016, we didn't even have the courage to embrace the message . . . and not just the constitutional rights . . . of the least radical black men in the country who took a knee against urban genocide.

60,000 MORE people in Wayne County were not stopped from voting in 2016 than in 2012.

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Sanders to visit Mississippi for anniversary of MLK assassination [View all] Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 OP

Why Not "Examining Racial Justice 50 Years Later?" MineralMan Mar 2018 #1

He seems to be stuck in a rut and unable to change or adjust. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #2

Thanks. I heard MLK give his "How long?" MineralMan Mar 2018 #24

"It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle Hortensis Mar 2018 #95

See #7 guillaumeb Mar 2018 #29

See #2 NurseJackie Mar 2018 #31

The only...and I mean ONLY positive thing I can say Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #55

Many people agree with you and share your opinions. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #60

Thanks NJ! Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #67

Many white southern liberals totally agree. GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #141

Memphis Sanitation Strike. That's why King was there! progressoid Mar 2018 #10

He was there to support the BLACK sanitation workers' strike for racial justice, of which economic EffieBlack Mar 2018 #33

Well, maybe Mayor Lumumba will set him straight. progressoid Mar 2018 #51

If Bernie displays the same ignorance about Dr. King that you and some others have, Im sure he will EffieBlack Mar 2018 #53

Well thanks for setting ME straight. progressoid Mar 2018 #61

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for THAT dinner! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #65

That's kinda how I imagined the town hall referenced in the op would unfold. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #102

If Bernie listens quietly while other people talk, asks good questions EffieBlack Mar 2018 #106

This!! Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #66

Wow - what an interesting story! Thanks for sharing it! nt EffieBlack Mar 2018 #148

Thanks!!! Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #160

They were striking against a system that went back to slavery GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #142

THANK you! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #149

Wikipedia Nevernose Mar 2018 #43

Excellent post...and I agree with you and Zinn on this Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #62

Your last paragraph is just ridiculous GulfCoast66 Mar 2018 #144

Your posts are always awesome, but this one's a real keeper! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #150

+1 betsuni Mar 2018 #152

You assume that Trump voters don't know what they have in common with whom EffieBlack Mar 2018 #151

You think Bernie is telling the Mayor of Jackson what his focus should be? BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #52

Geez Louise. kstewart33 Mar 2018 #3

*yawn* BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #4

Sort like a broken record. Blue_true Mar 2018 #5

uh...you know why King was in Memphis right? progressoid Mar 2018 #7

Did you even read what I wrote. Blue_true Mar 2018 #12

Indeed. No one is denying Dr King's civil rights work. progressoid Mar 2018 #16

Doctor King in Mississippi was about fighting grotesque racial injustice. Blue_true Mar 2018 #18

which has a huge economic component and King knew that full well. JCanete Mar 2018 #30

No one disputes the connection of race and pay. Blue_true Mar 2018 #32

I disagree that that is a narrow focus, because so much depends on it. It isn't everything, but it JCanete Mar 2018 #36

You're right that racial injustice is sometimes based on the desire for economic superiority EffieBlack Mar 2018 #42

Effie, you never addressed my point the last time we had this conversation. I assure you I'm JCanete Mar 2018 #44

+1 progressoid Mar 2018 #49

The problem is that you are reverse conflating the issue. Blue_true Mar 2018 #63

when did Sanders assume that? Are you serious? You have got to show me where he made that assumption JCanete Mar 2018 #94

Exactly...Sanders should be going to Memphis Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #64

Was Bernie invited to Memphis for that KPN Mar 2018 #77

You are just flat out wrong EffieBlack Mar 2018 #38

Are white people lecturing black people again about MLK? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #76

Yes-and it should be emphasized he was fighting for racial justice for black sanitation workers EffieBlack Mar 2018 #37

Wonder why thier pay was economically unjust ? lunasun Mar 2018 #28

No you dont, you know exactly why. And the issue could get resolved quicker if Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #86

Yes, I know. But it sounds like you don't. He was there to fight RACIAL injustice. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #34

Ok. I read your longer post, it gave a detailed litany of why Doctor King was in Memphis. Blue_true Mar 2018 #68

Did you mean to direct this to me? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #81

Yes, maybe you misposted to me earlier. Blue_true Mar 2018 #91

Gotcha EffieBlack Mar 2018 #93

Stephon Clark Would Agree With You Me. Mar 2018 #27

MLK's fight for economic justice was almost ignored by the media leftstreet Mar 2018 #6

Martin Luther King Jr.: The Economic Problem Is the Most Serious Problem Exotica Mar 2018 #9

Yep. n/t progressoid Mar 2018 #17

MLK got double-tapped once he started to threaten the MIC and the systemic econ controllers Exotica Mar 2018 #21

everyone should hear this speech G_j Mar 2018 #71

They didnt turn away. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #13

Well that's certainly true leftstreet Mar 2018 #19

Exactly, Heuy P. Newton, Angela Davis, the Black Panthers Blue_true Mar 2018 #20

The fight against grotesque racial injustice was much, much bigger. Blue_true Mar 2018 #14

I aint fooled. nt LexVegas Mar 2018 #8

I wonder if we are going to be updated on his dining schedule grantcart Mar 2018 #83

People wont give him credit for what he is doing. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #11

If Sanders helped his neighbor change a tire G_j Mar 2018 #15

Yep. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #22

If Bernie did any good deed that was out of shot of a camera or a microphone BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #26

Thank you! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #35

If HRC and her foundation did more for those in need in ONE day than Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #78

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #98

Yes, thank you. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #39

weird that the mayor is giving him one then...this issue clearly couldn't matter...right? JCanete Mar 2018 #46

you do realize I was responding to this post? BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #72

so he is out there, talking with the mayor about incredibly important subject matter that JCanete Mar 2018 #110

Just calling it as I see it, with the evidence provided BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #114

. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #80

insert my own passive agressive emogie here in lieu of language and points...oh...LOL! JCanete Mar 2018 #92

Since the Democratic leadership appointed Sanders to lead their Outreach campaign Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #54

Attention isnt necessarily outreach EffieBlack Mar 2018 #57

And holding a town hall on economic justice isn't a crime against humanity Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #58

And mowing your lawn on Sundays isn't a capital offense EffieBlack Mar 2018 #59

It is weird, I find the VAST VAST VAST majority of black folk I meet on the net and Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #79

Getting attention is the start. So of course energizing people to vote is the goal. Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #69

He is attempting to energize Bernie votes. nothing more, nothing less BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #74

Okey dokey. You obviously know much more about how many people he has registered and Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #101

Perhaps the Mayor invited Sanders in KPN Mar 2018 #89

oh...is that was he is is doing...now? BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #73

I'm not going to list all the townhalls and meetings and events he has attended. You aren't really Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #97

"thank for playing"? BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #103

No it's certainly not. Which is why I applaud Sanders and hope it inspires people to actually vote. Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #104

Oh, the irony of it all. KPN Mar 2018 #84

Discussion? When it comes to Bernie - the outrage over his existence is way more important!!!! Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #99

You got that right. KPN Mar 2018 #109

Outreach, huh? NurseJackie Mar 2018 #85

Well obviously not to you. But that goes without saying. Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #100

Smearing Democrats and the Democratic party isn't my idea of "outreach"... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #105

Two Words GaryCnf Mar 2018 #111

Yup got it. Susan Sarandon, Nina Turner, Bernie Sanders. Smearing Democrats. Smearing Democratic Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #112

I doubt it. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #113

Yup. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #120

I'm just glad that you have it all sorted out in your head and that it fits Nanjeanne Mar 2018 #124

So what's it like on the ground in your neigborhood? progressoid Mar 2018 #116

Imagine how much more it could have been. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #119

Huh? progressoid Mar 2018 #123

Here! Try Nutrisystem... I hate it! It sucks! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #126

Sorry I forgot "Our Revolution" progressoid Mar 2018 #128

In my neighborhood, Bernie isn't even a blip EffieBlack Mar 2018 #121

So I'm confused. progressoid Mar 2018 #125

In my neighborhood, there are a lot of new people murielm99 Mar 2018 #178

Haaahahaha! progressoid Mar 2018 #115

+1,000,000 This!!! What about all the harm done by Dump & his Rethug accomplices in the last hour? diva77 Mar 2018 #45

Almost comical ... KPN Mar 2018 #87

Well no doubt Adrahil Mar 2018 #96

It's somehow not surprising GaryCnf Mar 2018 #23

Even less surprising is how many DU members feel the need to teach black folk about Dr. King - EffieBlack Mar 2018 #40

+1 betsuni Mar 2018 #48

They really don't want to know GaryCnf Mar 2018 #50

Exactly EffieBlack Mar 2018 #56

### NurseJackie Mar 2018 #70

the priviledged few who should figure out its time they actually stopped and learned something BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #75

It never stops. It happens elsewhere of course. Not just here, but happens a lot here. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Mar 2018 #25

Good for him. SharonClark Mar 2018 #41

KIck and rec. Solidarity! Arazi Mar 2018 #47

I've been meaning to ask, are the candles for Bernie or MLK? n/t BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #88

So..according to this thread, economic justice is bad now... TCJ70 Mar 2018 #90

I don't understand why your extreme conclusion is the only one you could come up with? BoneyardDem Mar 2018 #107

Is it the message or the messenger? TCJ70 Mar 2018 #136

In what has turned into a whole comedy routine GaryCnf Mar 2018 #108

... LexVegas Mar 2018 #118

60,000 GaryCnf Mar 2018 #122

We get it. You heart Bernie. LexVegas Mar 2018 #127

No friend GaryCnf Mar 2018 #130

Yes! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #133

Wonderful. And how predictable that the grapes... SMC22307 Mar 2018 #117

... LexVegas Mar 2018 #129

Mayor Lumumba is the future.. mountain grammy Mar 2018 #131

True GaryCnf Mar 2018 #132

I magine he'll make special mention of Barack Obama and his landmark health care legislation. ucrdem Mar 2018 #134

Lol sheshe2 Mar 2018 #157

There are so many issues Sanders could be working on or at least talking about ucrdem Mar 2018 #167

Yes...all of that would be nice... sheshe2 Mar 2018 #168

Yeah that LOL. ucrdem Mar 2018 #169

You as well, ucrdem. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #170

Voter suppression, DOJ's attack on civil rights, increase in hate crimes and speech, police killings EffieBlack Mar 2018 #174

That's great news, but is he planning on running again...? ecstatic Mar 2018 #135

Bernie is as sincere as a heart attack BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #137

Notwithstanding Manchin's quote, the actual phrase is "serious as a heart attack" EffieBlack Mar 2018 #139

That is the quote BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #140

I know that's what Manchin said, but that's not how the saying goes EffieBlack Mar 2018 #147

You should have read The Hill post you linked to. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #154

LOL! Great catch EffieBlack Mar 2018 #158

Beep Beep sheshe2 Mar 2018 #159

Manchin is saying Bernie is for real BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #161

:) sheshe2 Mar 2018 #166

Da-a-a-amn! "Context is everything!" Yes, indeed it is! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #163

Good Morning, NurseJackie. sheshe2 Mar 2018 #165

lol! nt ecstatic Mar 2018 #146

I don't object to him going there, I'm just saying ecstatic Mar 2018 #145

And it probably won't attract many black voters to him, either EffieBlack Mar 2018 #138

Stretching for the African-American support he didnt get in 2016. VOX Mar 2018 #143

Boom! sheshe2 Mar 2018 #153

Unless you're talking about the primaries GaryCnf Mar 2018 #162

You left out massive voter suppression EffieBlack Mar 2018 #171

There is an inherently authoritarian GaryCnf Mar 2018 #172

It is worse, much worse than when Obama ran - The 2013 Shelby decision saw to that. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #173

Very helpful. ucrdem Mar 2018 #175

EB's reply is indeed a great place to start GaryCnf Mar 2018 #177

In South Carolina she beat Sanders 3-1. In Michigan on the other hand, ucrdem Mar 2018 #179

Update: due to popular demand. Venue changed to larger venue Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #155

He's kind of like Flat Stanley showing up at every notable event. He should be careful applegrove Mar 2018 #156

What an interesting analogy! I'd never heard of this character before. I see what you mean. NurseJackie Mar 2018 #164

Kids in Canadian schools all made cut out flat Stanley's and applegrove Mar 2018 #176