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In reply to the discussion: "Ken Starr was overzealous...Mueller is the 21st century version of Eliot Ness." [View all]Jarqui
(10,922 posts)28. In response:
You said:
A whole bunch of things you have posted are inaccurate.
You say: "A number of those who were around Trump have already plead guilty." Well if by a "number" you mean 2. And they plead guilty to process crimes not crimes relating to the substance of the investigation. They plead guilty to lying to investigators. The 3 others who plead guilty were minor people not "around" Trump and they plead either to lying or identity theft.
Rick Gates, Manafort right hand man:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/gates-guilty-plea-mueller-russia/index.html
Gates, 45, was Manafort's right-hand man for a decade, was privy to most, if not all, of Manafort's activities during the campaign and stayed in the Trump orbit after Manafort's exit.
- plead guilty to conspiracy and lying to the FBI and is charged with money laundering
George Papadopoulos, Trump campaign adviser :
Why George Papadopoulos' guilty plea is a much bigger problem for Trump than the Manafort indictment
https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/30/politics/george-papadopolous-trump-guilty/index.html
- for lying to the FBI
Michael Flynn, Former Trump national security adviser:
Flynn pleads guilty to lying to FBI, is cooperating with Mueller
https://www.cnn.com/2017/12/01/politics/michael-flynn-charged/index.html
London lawyer Alex Van der Zwaan
https://www.npr.org/2018/02/20/587262174/mueller-investigation-secures-another-guilty-plea
- for lying to the FBI and failure to produce emails
He was a lawyer for Gates/Manafort
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/27/politics/alex-van-der-zwaan-memorandum/index.html
Van der Zwaan recorded a phone call with :
That Gates and the unnamed person, who had lived in Kiev and Moscow and worked for one of Paul Manafort's companies, were in touch in September and October 2016 was "pertinent to the investigation," a court filing from prosecutors said Tuesday night.
By my count that is at least 4 guilty pleas - all lying about Russia-Trump.
This guilty plea is also a likely connection:
California resident Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty to identity fraud in connection to Mueller's Russia probe
http://www.businessinsider.com/richard-pinedo-pleaded-guilty-to-aiding-russia-is-cooperating-with-mueller-2018-2
Special counsel Robert Mueller's office announced Friday that California resident Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty on February 12 to one count of identity fraud in connection with the Russia probe.
According to the statement of offense, Pinedo created fake bank accounts using stolen identities to help users circumvent the security protocols set up by large online payment websites like PayPal.
A separate indictment filed by Mueller's office earlier on Friday said that Russian nationals used PayPal to purchase Facebook ads aimed at sowing discord during the 2016 election.
Pinedo appears to have unwittingly aided the defendants named in the earlier indictment in their efforts to create PayPal accounts, and he is now cooperating with Mueller.
On top of that we know ex-campaign manager Paul Manafort has numerous grand jury indictments along with grand jury indictments of 13 Russians and three Russian organizations.
People do not usually lie to the FBI about something like this for no reason
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"Ken Starr was overzealous...Mueller is the 21st century version of Eliot Ness." [View all]
Miles Archer
Mar 2018
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A recent poll showed that 70% of the people beleive that Muller should be allowed to complete the
RDANGELO
Mar 2018
#4
Why would Mueller want to be compared to someone who became a broke alcoholic?
former9thward
Apr 2018
#14
Ken Starr went searching into consensual BJ because he couldn't find anything anywhere else
JI7
Apr 2018
#7
Which is exactly why he couldn't charge either of the Clintons with so much as a parking ticket
Major Nikon
Apr 2018
#11
After the case was first thrown out since republicans were using it to push bs scandals
JI7
Apr 2018
#19