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In reply to the discussion: What kind of person will it take to, not just win but wipe the floor with Donald Trump in 2020 [View all]RandomAccess
(5,210 posts)4. Uh, wrong question.
We blew the hell out of Trump in 2016. We'll do it again in 2020 (if he's still in office). So the question becomes: what do we have to do to overcome all the vote stealing mechanisms:
Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.
The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.
We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691
The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.
We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691
Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922
Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824
Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/
23:00 6/25/2017
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/
The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trumps shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation despite each working independently and using differing methodologies somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.
Ask any statistician and theyll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.
According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. Thats not how numbers tend to work in the real world.
On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/
The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trumps shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation despite each working independently and using differing methodologies somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.
Ask any statistician and theyll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.
According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. Thats not how numbers tend to work in the real world.
On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.
MikeFarb @mikefarb1
#unhackthevote
Did Trump win Michigan? I don' think so.
Won by 10,704 but wait
75,355 Ballots Thrown Out
87 Machines Broke Down in Detrioit
#unhackthevote
Did Trump win Michigan? I don' think so.
Won by 10,704 but wait
75,355 Ballots Thrown Out
87 Machines Broke Down in Detrioit
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What kind of person will it take to, not just win but wipe the floor with Donald Trump in 2020 [View all]
Le Gaucher
Apr 2018
OP
That is where you are not correct...it is always imperative to focus on the president in a first
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#23
I strongly disagree. A campaign focused on nothing but busting on Trump will fail.
The Velveteen Ocelot
Apr 2018
#63
Consider 2010...one issues and the focus on Obama...not born here and healthcare
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#64
I love Joe Kennedy the III and not because he is pretty...he is smart, well spoken charismatic...
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#24
No doubt ... and I say this seriously ... STATES are an anachronism in fact ...
mr_lebowski
Apr 2018
#66
States probably make governance in some areas like education (organizing schools)
Sophia4
Apr 2018
#69
I'd be fine with like 10-20 'state-like' regions, aligned on general political lines ...
mr_lebowski
Apr 2018
#71
'We go high'? We'll lose western civilization over that. We're fucked if this thinking prevails. -nt
poboy2
Apr 2018
#49
Really. NOT him again. Why? He can't even decide where his loyalty lies.How are we suppose to know
Wwcd
Apr 2018
#33
I think we should already know whom that person is and they should already be running
NightWatcher
Apr 2018
#18
Adam Schiff is a very smart guy and seems to fill all of the above needs. n/t
monmouth4
Apr 2018
#20
It doesn't matter if "Perfect Rockstar Candidate" is nominated. As long as the issues with Russia
lunamagica
Apr 2018
#19
While I will derive satisfaction from anyone defeating Spanky. I would take special joy
retread
Apr 2018
#21
Tammy Duckworth: Thai mother, American serviceman father, wounded vet, mom, bad ass.
Squinch
Apr 2018
#55
I like Kamala Harris for exactly those reasons, and she is as quick witted as it gets.
bettyellen
Apr 2018
#42
Bernie has none of those qualities. Bernie is a socialist & has been most of his life.
Wwcd
Apr 2018
#40
I didn't even know who Bill Clinton was at this stage of the game when he first ran.
brewens
Apr 2018
#39
One thing is certain, if we play that 'we go high' bullshit, then western civilization is OVER. -nt
poboy2
Apr 2018
#48
I would prefer to see what the landscape looks like after 2018, but I understand your premise
dameatball
Apr 2018
#54
I think one of the younger Democrats will emerge from the pack in the next 15 months, and the great
OnDoutside
Apr 2018
#72
Someone like Jerry Brown. He tells it like it is and doesn't back down. No "Reaching
jalan48
Apr 2018
#73
The opposite of Trump. You can't beat him by being a bigger asshole.
DemocratSinceBirth
Apr 2018
#74