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Xicano

(2,812 posts)
33. I disagree
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 01:59 PM
Jan 2012

At age 45 I've been alive through Presidents Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr and Obama. Even though I'm not thrilled with Clinton either. Nevertheless I think President Clinton did a better job than President Obama. "Its the economy stupid." Remember?

One of the posters above mentioned about President Obama:

People forget that he not only had to contend with Republican opposition to each and every idea he had, he had to contend with their racism and disrespect for the office. After all that, he continued to handle himself with grace and intelligence.


First of all dealing with "Republican opposition" comes with the job. To use that as an excuse is like a race car driver trying to use "traffic opposition" getting into his way on the race track at each and every turn. Sorry, but, that's part of racing and how well you deal with traffic is part of what determines how well of a race car driver you are. Similarly how well a President deals with political opposition in Washington reflects on how well of a President they are. And I think there's too much making up of excuses for Obama's ineffective ability to deal with political opposition.

Also the poster above mentions: "he (President Obama) had to contend with their racism and disrespect for the office." President Clinton had to contend with their obsession to destroy his Presidency as well. How many millions of dollars and how many years did "Republican opposition" spend trying to destroy President Clinton? Remember the Republican picked and lead "independent counsel" by Kenneth Starr? They doged President Clinton at least as much as they have President Obama if not more. But Clinton was still able to get a balanced budget and deal with foreign policy issues such as Bosnia, maintaining containment of Iraq, reprisal attacks against terrorist camps in Afghanistan, etc.

I might not agree with or like everything President Clinton did while he was in office, but, IMO he was a more effective President than President Obama is.

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No, "he has done his job fantastically." Bucky Jan 2012 #1
The -ly suffix is disappearing Mosby Jan 2012 #34
I agree, but then you must be at least as old as I am Shanti Mama Jan 2012 #82
Given that he was chartered by Wall St. and big corporate donors to do their bidding, I'll agree Erose999 Jan 2012 #96
Good letter WI_DEM Jan 2012 #2
Obama has proven he is not very Liberal either. RC Jan 2012 #37
If he's the 'best', we're screwed ixion Jan 2012 #3
You haven't said who has been better in the past 37 years. Walk away Jan 2012 #6
Last week I listed one example of good things Obama has done after another to this poster JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #39
Strange that you would link to that. Your first response, number 43 A Simple Game Jan 2012 #49
I don't know what you're talking about. I'm a proud liberal and lifetime union member local 717. JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #62
You still have a funny way of supporting unions. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #68
OK JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #77
I am reporting it, to you, that's why we're having this discussion. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #80
You don't care a whit about Democrats, and you refer to "your union" in past tense. JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #81
That was great! You said it all. Thanks nt Walk away Jan 2012 #97
I refer to my union in the past tense because our mill shut down and the local was disbanded. A Simple Game Jan 2012 #104
Wow! Right wing? JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #105
If you aren't considering voting for Ron Paul, why would you even mention it? A Simple Game Jan 2012 #107
For you and all the others who need to know: My personal favorite has been Carter. ixion Jan 2012 #40
I agree with you on Carter. Mojorabbit Jan 2012 #43
Who's the best of your lifetime? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #11
JFK, Carter, Obama. But the nation has gone so far right since then... freshwest Jan 2012 #46
I too am on the edge of my seat pipoman Jan 2012 #12
Sitting and waiting... surfdog Jan 2012 #14
Well in my life time we've had WI_DEM Jan 2012 #17
Ding ding ding! Lionessa Jan 2012 #63
Yeah, but talk about setting the bar low. izquierdista Jan 2012 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Obamanaut Jan 2012 #5
Setting the bar low cyglet Jan 2012 #7
K&R HopeHoops Jan 2012 #8
Considering that he was obstructed in most things he wanted to do... Frustratedlady Jan 2012 #9
What is it that Obama really wanted to do? raindaddy Jan 2012 #13
He also never said most of those things. He was FOR an Afghanistan surge, he ended torture FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #16
He tried to claim he didn't campaign on the public option.. But as we know he "misspoke"... raindaddy Jan 2012 #23
Seriously ProSense Jan 2012 #24
Here's a solution: HELP ELECT MORE LIBERALS/PROGRESSIVES for Obama to work with. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #31
Exactly. n/t ProSense Jan 2012 #50
You need the money and the numbers to do this. Selatius Jan 2012 #76
Welcome to DU, I know you are new here Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #18
Thanks for the welcome.. raindaddy Jan 2012 #30
the idea that you can read his mind Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #36
I don't need to read his mind. raindaddy Jan 2012 #65
How can you know what anyone really wants? Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #71
And you not only know what he wants to assume he's prophetic raindaddy Jan 2012 #100
I know what he was trying to do, I don't know what he wanted Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #101
You're making suppositions based on his actions.. raindaddy Jan 2012 #109
I'm 32 and I say that same thing all the time. "Obama is the best President of my lifetime" FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #10
I'm 48 and I might say the same thing Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #20
I agree with the dog_lovin_dem Jan 2012 #15
Given the history of presidents, we might ask: What was the best natural disaster of my lifetime? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #19
My mother is 86 frazzled Jan 2012 #21
I'm in my mid-70s and I agree with your mother. Frustratedlady Jan 2012 #55
I'm 61 and I agree. justgamma Jan 2012 #22
Probably true, maybe Carter, Kennedy, or Johnson, since I'm 56 liberalmike27 Jan 2012 #25
I'm 54 (55 in March) and IMHO johnaries Jan 2012 #67
I would have to say so treestar Jan 2012 #26
I was explaining liberalmike27 Jan 2012 #27
This reminds me of... RegieRocker Jan 2012 #28
Obama is the most mediocre president of my lifetime. Pacafishmate Jan 2012 #29
Rec - Obama 2012! CakeGrrl Jan 2012 #32
Second Number23 Jan 2012 #69
I disagree Xicano Jan 2012 #33
Actually, ProSense Jan 2012 #35
Actually, Xicano Jan 2012 #38
I'm ProSense Jan 2012 #41
Hmmmm... Xicano Jan 2012 #44
You ProSense Jan 2012 #48
After Obama has had 8 years in office, I'll come back and compare him to Clinton, God willing. Frustratedlady Jan 2012 #60
I totally agree 1stlady Jan 2012 #75
Astroturfing, PR, 2012 = 2011 nt msongs Jan 2012 #42
That is a sad statement about politics & the Rightward drift in the US over the last 40 years. bvar22 Jan 2012 #45
CORRECT Skittles Jan 2012 #84
I suggest you repost the above in a separate thread Betty Karlson Jan 2012 #99
Thanks for the OP and links, ProSense. freshwest Jan 2012 #47
Notice that the title does NOT say "Best DEMOCRATIC President." There's a reason for that: blkmusclmachine Jan 2012 #51
That makes no sense. Skinner Jan 2012 #52
Good point. Rex Jan 2012 #86
My first K&R of the new year. great white snark Jan 2012 #53
The subject line could have been said by a ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #54
But it wasn't frazzled Jan 2012 #57
Three year olds say the darnedest things. Karmadillo Jan 2012 #56
Especially ProSense Jan 2012 #58
He is certainly the best President of my son's life AngryAmish Jan 2012 #59
Not mine. I'm 55. mmonk Jan 2012 #61
Some people are just negative. cyberspirit Jan 2012 #64
LOLOL Skittles Jan 2012 #70
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2012 #66
For once I'm glad to be older because Raine Jan 2012 #72
+1 progressoid Jan 2012 #87
Someone who is 37 years old was born in 1974 (unless he was a New Year baby) Lydia Leftcoast Jan 2012 #73
Amen judesedit Jan 2012 #74
My daughter is 11 RetroLounge Jan 2012 #78
Not even close. russspeakeasy Jan 2012 #79
LBJ and Bill Clinton beat Obama. JFK and Obama are about equal. McCamy Taylor Jan 2012 #83
Vietnam knocks LBJ off my list Martin Eden Jan 2012 #90
K & R n/t Tx4obama Jan 2012 #85
Thats sad. progressoid Jan 2012 #88
I have to go with Bill Clinton. Rex Jan 2012 #89
"said somebody under 40" was my gut response to the title magical thyme Jan 2012 #91
I've just finished reading a book about the Cuban missile crisis. Vinca Jan 2012 #92
I have been saying this for years here NNN0LHI Jan 2012 #93
We often see what we want to see LanternWaste Jan 2012 #94
Kick Scurrilous Jan 2012 #95
In your lifetime, Bill Clinton was the best! dmosh42 Jan 2012 #98
In spite of all the Republican obstructionism ... GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #102
Obama is the best President of... Shining Jack Jan 2012 #103
K & R ellisonz Jan 2012 #106
If the writer was 11 years old, a case could then be made brentspeak Jan 2012 #108
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