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longship

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83. Straw man argument. Nobody is recommending voting for non-citizens.

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:58 AM

Apr 2018

What a ridiculous argument!

And, as said above, limiting those who can vote is, by definition, voter suppression.

Open primaries everywhere is the solution.

Thanks for respectful response.

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If you see an OPEN PRIMARY prop on your state ballot, vote NO NO NO [View all] Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 OP

And then you have the California model question everything Apr 2018 #1

I have no dog in the CA fight. But Feinstein better stay in the Senate Wwcd Apr 2018 #2

I am registered in CA, and I hope Feinstein certainly has learned from this Exotica Apr 2018 #22

Opposite is in fact what is happening. Districts with multiple dem candidates will end up with Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #4

Thankfully, not in California question everything Apr 2018 #5

Nope, nope nope nope nope Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #6

Then the party better grab all these candidates by their necks question everything Apr 2018 #8

The lesson is these cute ideas like CalExit, open primaries, NEVER help and Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #18

Say it again Lordquinton Apr 2018 #36

Then why are these articles out there about how the party is afraid of this, they making that up? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #40

They don't seem to really be founded Lordquinton Apr 2018 #41

Stop calling me a fascist. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #43

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #44

Twice now you have called me a fascist. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #45

LOL Lordquinton Apr 2018 #46

Quack, quack! George II Apr 2018 #61

Are you seriously implying that a respected member of DU is emulating fascism? REALLY? George II Apr 2018 #50

Why is discussion being shut down? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #52

What discussion is being shut down? Seems like everyone who wants to is participating, but.... George II Apr 2018 #55

Something about my unconditional support of the D party I think... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #69

You don't know what fascism is. betsuni Apr 2018 #64

Absolutely not. There would be a huge backlash. It doesn't even work that well in Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #15

We may lose Issa's seat here in the CA 49th thanks to open primaries SHRED Apr 2018 #53

That is a bad idea because DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #59

Sadly we have one. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #3

Putin came up with this gem of an idea the way he came up with CalExit and Brexit Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #7

Exactly, the left left...don't have a name really because I am left and know plenty of very Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #13

What's the difference between mainstream and progressive? leftstreet Apr 2018 #9

The reality of our situation is that unless we have a big tent with a mixture of ideologies we Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #17

Doing away with disenfranchising caucuses is more important. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #10

Caucuses are not democratic and need to go. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #14

Same in Washington, and the same kind of bullies showed up at the caucuses that did in Nevada. LisaM Apr 2018 #27

Yes consider how few voters actually show up caucuses because of the inconvenience of it...and Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #58

never is a long time elliot avoid such words dembotoz Apr 2018 #11

Somebody though Prop 14 was a good idea; Passed Senate 27 to 12 and Assembly 54 to 20. FarCenter Apr 2018 #12

Everybody just about was tricked then, werent they. OBVIOUSLY they are a bad idea Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #19

They are a bad idea only if you have no party organization and discipliine FarCenter Apr 2018 #20

What state? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #21

If the Republicans are disciplined enough to run only 1 or 2 candidates, why aren't the Democrats? FarCenter Apr 2018 #23

So it isnt the people who cant win but insist on running and taking votes away Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #24

There were three candidates running against an incumbent Rep R in our district. FarCenter Apr 2018 #25

No it IS, if multiple candidates run and refuse to drop out as is WHAT is happening Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #26

They can run, but if they are not endorsed, and don't have money, they won't get votes. FarCenter Apr 2018 #28

No, they should NOT run once it is known to them they will HURT the party, yet...they do Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #29

You are 100% correct. UCmeNdc Apr 2018 #16

Yes, and I refuse to respond to someone who calls this issue SHIT which I just read Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #32

*might harm Lordquinton Apr 2018 #37

Arkansas already is an open primary state. WhiteTara Apr 2018 #30

Right, it can NEVER help blue states and will ONLY always help the GOP and progressives who Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #33

Are you saying Democrats aren't progressive? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #39

How do you come to that conclusion? Sorry, I don't think anyone sees what you're seeing. George II Apr 2018 #56

Kansas has a closed primary. Also blood red with creeping fascism. progressoid Apr 2018 #65

Please! Not this shit again! longship Apr 2018 #31

Did you read the OP? George II Apr 2018 #54

I would vote "Yes"!! longship Apr 2018 #62

I don't want anyone but Democrats choosing my Democratic candidate. George II Apr 2018 #67

It is absolutely limiting the vote. By definition. longship Apr 2018 #72

As I said elsewhere here (not to you), the OP states that if you see an Open Primary Prop.... George II Apr 2018 #74

Straw man argument. Nobody is recommending voting for non-citizens. longship Apr 2018 #83

Independents make up approximately 42% of the electorate. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #75

Bing! Bing! Bing! Bing! Bing! We have a winner! longship Apr 2018 #82

Closing down the Primaries is the same as closing down the party. rgbecker Apr 2018 #34

wrong Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #35

Nope. Adrahil Apr 2018 #60

The vast majority of those "independents" are extremely partisan. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #63

And.... rgbecker Apr 2018 #66

The point is those "independents" are already strongly for or against Dems. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #78

Reminder for all regarding "independents." Garrett78 Apr 2018 #38

So much love for democracy from so called democrats. Nt LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #42

I don't get it either. rgbecker Apr 2018 #68

"So called democrats"? Are you in favor of republicans participating in choosing OUR candidate? George II Apr 2018 #70

When democrats start acting like members of the DemocratIC Party again LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #71

The vast majority of those "independents" are already extremely partisan. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #79

13% of independents have no lean toward either party LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #81

No one stops independents from voting for our candidate, but we don't need independent.... George II Apr 2018 #86

If you have a closed primary then yes you did stop them LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #91

No we don't stop them. What's stopping them is registering as a voter for the party of the primary George II Apr 2018 #92

Or have an open primary and let them get registered as Dems when they vote LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #93

Not same result. So you're in favor of allowing republicans participate in our primaries.... George II Apr 2018 #94

It is the same result LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #95

They will do it anyway, whether you like it or not. longship Apr 2018 #84

It doesn't solve the problem, but it sure would cut down on the problem. Plus... George II Apr 2018 #85

Jeeze Louise! Yet another straw man. longship Apr 2018 #87

After reading a recommendation of restricting voter registration, I am done here. longship Apr 2018 #88

What about having all the primaries on the same day? oberliner Apr 2018 #47

K&R mcar Apr 2018 #48

Truth. Thank you. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #49

It will never happen here in Kentucky. leftofcool Apr 2018 #51

I voted for this in CA and am very happy about it Tumbulu Apr 2018 #57

It also helps in making a way forward nolabels Apr 2018 #77

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #73

Incorrect LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #76

Agreed Gothmog Apr 2018 #80

It is known that open primaries ONLY hurt Democrats. Proven, end of story Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #90

If my state were to offer this not only would I vote yes on it I would work to get it done. Autumn Apr 2018 #89