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longship

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84. They will do it anyway, whether you like it or not.

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 07:09 AM

Apr 2018

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People change their registration to participate in a party's closed primary all the time.

So your solution of closed primaries is just not any solution whatsoever. It doesn't even solve the problem that people claim!

The only effect of closed primaries is to limit voting, not limit cross party voting which goes on regardless of whether the primary is open or not.

You are offering a solution that doesn't even solve your perceived problem, which is not even a problem in the first place.

You want to ensure that only Democrats nominate Democratic Party candidates? Fine! Get rid of primaries and install a caucus system. Is that what you want?

As always.

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If you see an OPEN PRIMARY prop on your state ballot, vote NO NO NO [View all] Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 OP

And then you have the California model question everything Apr 2018 #1

I have no dog in the CA fight. But Feinstein better stay in the Senate Wwcd Apr 2018 #2

I am registered in CA, and I hope Feinstein certainly has learned from this Exotica Apr 2018 #22

Opposite is in fact what is happening. Districts with multiple dem candidates will end up with Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #4

Thankfully, not in California question everything Apr 2018 #5

Nope, nope nope nope nope Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #6

Then the party better grab all these candidates by their necks question everything Apr 2018 #8

The lesson is these cute ideas like CalExit, open primaries, NEVER help and Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #18

Say it again Lordquinton Apr 2018 #36

Then why are these articles out there about how the party is afraid of this, they making that up? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #40

They don't seem to really be founded Lordquinton Apr 2018 #41

Stop calling me a fascist. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #43

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #44

Twice now you have called me a fascist. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #45

LOL Lordquinton Apr 2018 #46

Quack, quack! George II Apr 2018 #61

Are you seriously implying that a respected member of DU is emulating fascism? REALLY? George II Apr 2018 #50

Why is discussion being shut down? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #52

What discussion is being shut down? Seems like everyone who wants to is participating, but.... George II Apr 2018 #55

Something about my unconditional support of the D party I think... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #69

You don't know what fascism is. betsuni Apr 2018 #64

Absolutely not. There would be a huge backlash. It doesn't even work that well in Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #15

We may lose Issa's seat here in the CA 49th thanks to open primaries SHRED Apr 2018 #53

That is a bad idea because DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #59

Sadly we have one. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #3

Putin came up with this gem of an idea the way he came up with CalExit and Brexit Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #7

Exactly, the left left...don't have a name really because I am left and know plenty of very Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #13

What's the difference between mainstream and progressive? leftstreet Apr 2018 #9

The reality of our situation is that unless we have a big tent with a mixture of ideologies we Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #17

Doing away with disenfranchising caucuses is more important. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #10

Caucuses are not democratic and need to go. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #14

Same in Washington, and the same kind of bullies showed up at the caucuses that did in Nevada. LisaM Apr 2018 #27

Yes consider how few voters actually show up caucuses because of the inconvenience of it...and Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #58

never is a long time elliot avoid such words dembotoz Apr 2018 #11

Somebody though Prop 14 was a good idea; Passed Senate 27 to 12 and Assembly 54 to 20. FarCenter Apr 2018 #12

Everybody just about was tricked then, werent they. OBVIOUSLY they are a bad idea Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #19

They are a bad idea only if you have no party organization and discipliine FarCenter Apr 2018 #20

What state? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #21

If the Republicans are disciplined enough to run only 1 or 2 candidates, why aren't the Democrats? FarCenter Apr 2018 #23

So it isnt the people who cant win but insist on running and taking votes away Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #24

There were three candidates running against an incumbent Rep R in our district. FarCenter Apr 2018 #25

No it IS, if multiple candidates run and refuse to drop out as is WHAT is happening Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #26

They can run, but if they are not endorsed, and don't have money, they won't get votes. FarCenter Apr 2018 #28

No, they should NOT run once it is known to them they will HURT the party, yet...they do Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #29

You are 100% correct. UCmeNdc Apr 2018 #16

Yes, and I refuse to respond to someone who calls this issue SHIT which I just read Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #32

*might harm Lordquinton Apr 2018 #37

Arkansas already is an open primary state. WhiteTara Apr 2018 #30

Right, it can NEVER help blue states and will ONLY always help the GOP and progressives who Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #33

Are you saying Democrats aren't progressive? Lordquinton Apr 2018 #39

How do you come to that conclusion? Sorry, I don't think anyone sees what you're seeing. George II Apr 2018 #56

Kansas has a closed primary. Also blood red with creeping fascism. progressoid Apr 2018 #65

Please! Not this shit again! longship Apr 2018 #31

Did you read the OP? George II Apr 2018 #54

I would vote "Yes"!! longship Apr 2018 #62

I don't want anyone but Democrats choosing my Democratic candidate. George II Apr 2018 #67

It is absolutely limiting the vote. By definition. longship Apr 2018 #72

As I said elsewhere here (not to you), the OP states that if you see an Open Primary Prop.... George II Apr 2018 #74

Straw man argument. Nobody is recommending voting for non-citizens. longship Apr 2018 #83

Independents make up approximately 42% of the electorate. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #75

Bing! Bing! Bing! Bing! Bing! We have a winner! longship Apr 2018 #82

Closing down the Primaries is the same as closing down the party. rgbecker Apr 2018 #34

wrong Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #35

Nope. Adrahil Apr 2018 #60

The vast majority of those "independents" are extremely partisan. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #63

And.... rgbecker Apr 2018 #66

The point is those "independents" are already strongly for or against Dems. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #78

Reminder for all regarding "independents." Garrett78 Apr 2018 #38

So much love for democracy from so called democrats. Nt LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #42

I don't get it either. rgbecker Apr 2018 #68

"So called democrats"? Are you in favor of republicans participating in choosing OUR candidate? George II Apr 2018 #70

When democrats start acting like members of the DemocratIC Party again LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #71

The vast majority of those "independents" are already extremely partisan. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #79

13% of independents have no lean toward either party LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #81

No one stops independents from voting for our candidate, but we don't need independent.... George II Apr 2018 #86

If you have a closed primary then yes you did stop them LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #91

No we don't stop them. What's stopping them is registering as a voter for the party of the primary George II Apr 2018 #92

Or have an open primary and let them get registered as Dems when they vote LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #93

Not same result. So you're in favor of allowing republicans participate in our primaries.... George II Apr 2018 #94

It is the same result LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #95

They will do it anyway, whether you like it or not. longship Apr 2018 #84

It doesn't solve the problem, but it sure would cut down on the problem. Plus... George II Apr 2018 #85

Jeeze Louise! Yet another straw man. longship Apr 2018 #87

After reading a recommendation of restricting voter registration, I am done here. longship Apr 2018 #88

What about having all the primaries on the same day? oberliner Apr 2018 #47

K&R mcar Apr 2018 #48

Truth. Thank you. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #49

It will never happen here in Kentucky. leftofcool Apr 2018 #51

I voted for this in CA and am very happy about it Tumbulu Apr 2018 #57

It also helps in making a way forward nolabels Apr 2018 #77

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #73

Incorrect LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #76

Agreed Gothmog Apr 2018 #80

It is known that open primaries ONLY hurt Democrats. Proven, end of story Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #90

If my state were to offer this not only would I vote yes on it I would work to get it done. Autumn Apr 2018 #89