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23. Are they proud of Whiteness? And the subsequent white supremacy?

Reply to Comatose Sphagetti (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 10:42 AM

Apr 2018

The history of white colonialism and domination? And that domination is total. (Or was. I’ve been seeing some encouraging signs lately). Are they proud that it is still a fight to achieve “firsts” by POC in a variety of topics, from movies to science? Are they proud of racist zoning laws, racist lending laws, racist drug laws—all concocted by white minds to keep themselves “pure”, while we engage in the most egregious of culture appropriation? Are they proud continuation of white politics that exist only to elevate white folks at the expense of everyone and everything else?

If they are “proud” they need to own it all.

Plus it’s ridiculous and destructive. My half Filipino niece goes and sings at the Swedish club because of my brothers love of his Nordic (White) heritage while she does not speak the native language of her mother

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"I'm proud to be white. I bet no one passes this on because they are scared to be called a racist." [View all] Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 OP

Your answer should be IluvPitties Apr 2018 #1

Well said. Thanks! Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #2

Excellent reply. Blue_true Apr 2018 #31

My answer would be, "I am a proud member of the human race, one who believes in Diversity, Equality Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #43

Why are you proud of an accomplishment cyclonefence Apr 2018 #3

One could say the same about Black pride, Gay pride or Latino pride for that matter. MichMan Apr 2018 #7

Disagree cyclonefence Apr 2018 #13

Not understading the nuances MichMan Apr 2018 #26

white pride, what exactly did white people have to overcome Skittles Apr 2018 #54

I think being proud of yourself is a revolutionary act dawg day Apr 2018 #59

Are you kidding? You don't think white people had to overcome anything. My white family have had Doodley Apr 2018 #64

nice try Skittles Apr 2018 #70

I agree with you. They are racist assholes. Doodley Apr 2018 #77

perhaps "what have white people screaming white pride had to overcome" is more articulate Skittles Apr 2018 #91

Here we go again! They may have had to overcome a lot. Being white isn't a golden ticket that Doodley Apr 2018 #92

so do POC, only they put up with RACISM too Skittles Apr 2018 #93

No whites have ever had to overcome oppression? Doodley Apr 2018 #96

One time, I went to Ruby Tuesday for the infinite salad bar and they were out of crutons. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #105

But they didn't have to overcome any of this because they were white EffieBlack Apr 2018 #73

I am from England. My upbringing never gave me any reason not to embrace all people Doodley Apr 2018 #76

What oppression have you faced because of your race? kwassa Apr 2018 #78

I haven't faced any, nor have I claimed I do. However, I have always welcomed all people Doodley Apr 2018 #80

There is racism in England, too. There is racism everywhere. kwassa Apr 2018 #82

One of my best friends at school was black. I dated a black woman. My best friend as an adult was Doodley Apr 2018 #86

Guess I never realized I was so privileged MichMan Apr 2018 #107

Apparently you didn't EffieBlack Apr 2018 #108

Really depends on the field of study MichMan Apr 2018 #109

"They could have taken the same route I did, but chose not to for reasons only they know." EffieBlack Apr 2018 #110

"proud to be white" cyclonefence Apr 2018 #98

I would in large part agree mythology Apr 2018 #15

You are wrong. White people have been oppressed through the ages, by white rulers. Doodley Apr 2018 #65

I think they were talking about in this country. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #66

"The difference is that there isn't a history of oppressing white people." Doodley Apr 2018 #67

I took their comment to mean there's no history of oppressing white people IN THE U.S. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #69

I agree, but that implies black history and black pride starts only on these shores? Doodley Apr 2018 #74

What in the hell are you talking about? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #75

And now you conflate 'imply' and' infer' to continue your narrative... LanternWaste Apr 2018 #102

"Your narrative?" What do you mean by that, exactly? Doodley Apr 2018 #104

Without context, sure. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #24

An important distinction for you to consider EffieBlack Apr 2018 #28

There are a lot of reasons to be proud MichMan Apr 2018 #38

As I said in another post in this thread, you cant cherry-pick EffieBlack Apr 2018 #40

That last sentence sums up much of it. Thanks. dameatball Apr 2018 #51

Yes we can cherry-pick or we can all say goodbye to any pride in our heritage. Doodley Apr 2018 #83

Yes, you can cherry-pick all you want. But when you do, you lose all credibility in the discussion EffieBlack Apr 2018 #84

I am not going to cherry pick. I have already said I think white pride is about white supremacy. Doodley Apr 2018 #89

Another insightful post! A curious question about where this all goes. Beartracks Apr 2018 #52

Usually whenever anyone talks about everyone becoming "just Americans", they mean to give up their EffieBlack Apr 2018 #79

I see exactly what you are saying and as a white male, I agree. White pride is Doodley Apr 2018 #71

👏🏽👏🏼👏🏿👏🏼👏🏽👏🏿 MLAA Apr 2018 #94

well one sense of pride is a counter to the intentional and incidental impact of racism on JCanete Apr 2018 #58

The OP didn't say that. His FB friends did. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #41

uh huh Skittles Apr 2018 #55

He asked how he should respond cyclonefence Apr 2018 #99

Carrie Fisher: "Youth and beauty are not accomplishments; they're the happy spooky3 Apr 2018 #81

You have to come to a message board for advice? Tipperary Apr 2018 #4

Sorry... Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #12

LOL! Vinnie From Indy Apr 2018 #33

Maybe sarah FAILIN Apr 2018 #16

This Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #19

As an AA I thank you for your post. Stay employed, vote for Democrats! nt Anon-C Apr 2018 #42

I feel sorry for you. It must be hellish to feel so isolated. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #49

I am in a blue dot in Indiana. salin Apr 2018 #50

It doesnt seem odd to me at all EffieBlack Apr 2018 #30

When people show you who they are, believe them. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #5

"..proud to be white.. " good Grief! Cha Apr 2018 #6

Thanks Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #9

Well said Cha!!! womanofthehills Apr 2018 #100

Mahalo, womanofthehills! Cha Apr 2018 #106

It is a tremendous personal accomplishment. dalton99a Apr 2018 #8

LOL! Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #11

My answer Clarity2 Apr 2018 #10

Good one! Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #14

they likely see the "proud to be black" notion and feel, gee why can't I be proud to be white? mnmoderatedem Apr 2018 #17

Why would anyone be proud of being white? lunatica Apr 2018 #18

You Nearly "Pre-Quoted" Me ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #97

I remember comedian Chris Rock saying: yallerdawg Apr 2018 #20

So deep EffieBlack Apr 2018 #34

I am not a big fan of pride in general. Pride goes before a fall. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #21

I have always thought it is my right to pick and choose the people I hang around with. Farmer-Rick Apr 2018 #22

Are they proud of Whiteness? And the subsequent white supremacy? ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #23

I'm mostly Swede on my mom's side. Girard442 Apr 2018 #29

Yeah but did you have to suffer through lutefisk? ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #32

Ditch the lutefisk ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #47

I'm proud of my immediate ancestors... Girard442 Apr 2018 #25

Ask them what they mean by that. nt Captain Stern Apr 2018 #27

Ill bet he also clams he shouldnt blamed for slavery because he didnt any slaves EffieBlack Apr 2018 #35

"Whiteness" is a fiction devised to exclude "other" people. It simply DOES NOT EXIST. malchickiwick Apr 2018 #36

proud to be irish? italian? german? NatBurner Apr 2018 #37

That does help with the false equivalency treestar Apr 2018 #46

Are these the same people who are mad they cant use the N word Nevernose Apr 2018 #39

Their biggest achievement, they were born looking white. Mc Mike Apr 2018 #44

I can't even understand that. Why should pride even be associated with a color? Vinca Apr 2018 #45

I'm acutely aware of my privilege. "Proud"? Not so much ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #48

LOL Skittles Apr 2018 #53

What in the hell does proud to be white even mean? What did they have to do with it? what do they JCanete Apr 2018 #56

Im not ashamed to be white. Im ashamed of the privilage our culture affords it. Amimnoch Apr 2018 #57

I am proud Cold War Spook Apr 2018 #60

White isnt a thing Loki Liesmith Apr 2018 #61

Being proud to be white never means defacto7 Apr 2018 #62

Or even "I'm proud to have not done harm today". KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #87

Being proud to be white IS racist. Being proud to be Irish, or German, or Dutch MariaCSR Apr 2018 #63

Exactly. I would simply ask, "What is White?" Caliman73 Apr 2018 #68

Skin color is an accident of birth Bettie Apr 2018 #72

Explaing to the the concept behind the scientific fact of Mitochondrial Eve grantcart Apr 2018 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author fescuerescue Apr 2018 #88

Advice from an old sage... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Apr 2018 #95

I generally just go Low Contact with people that I've unfriended on Facebook TNLib Apr 2018 #101

My answer: "I'm proud I don't have to work as hard to be considered an equal due to my skin color. haele Apr 2018 #103