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MichMan

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38. There are a lot of reasons to be proud

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 11:01 AM

Apr 2018

Your points are very salient and I can't disagree with them. Just wanted to comment on this one.

"That’s why white people can unashamedly brag about the accomplishments of the Founding Fathers - even though the had nothing to do with anything they did - and proudly celebrate the 4th of July - even though not a one of them fought in the Revolution."

True, but at the same time, as a white person, I shouldn't be told I collectively bear some responsibility for slavery and oppression that I wasn't around for either. I am only responsible for my own actions and nothing else.

While I understand our country has had & still have many flaws, there is no other place I would rather live, so I don't see anything wrong with being proud to be an American and respecting what the founding fathers were able to accomplish regardless of my ethnicity.

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"I'm proud to be white. I bet no one passes this on because they are scared to be called a racist." [View all] Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 OP

Your answer should be IluvPitties Apr 2018 #1

Well said. Thanks! Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #2

Excellent reply. Blue_true Apr 2018 #31

My answer would be, "I am a proud member of the human race, one who believes in Diversity, Equality Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #43

Why are you proud of an accomplishment cyclonefence Apr 2018 #3

One could say the same about Black pride, Gay pride or Latino pride for that matter. MichMan Apr 2018 #7

Disagree cyclonefence Apr 2018 #13

Not understading the nuances MichMan Apr 2018 #26

white pride, what exactly did white people have to overcome Skittles Apr 2018 #54

I think being proud of yourself is a revolutionary act dawg day Apr 2018 #59

Are you kidding? You don't think white people had to overcome anything. My white family have had Doodley Apr 2018 #64

nice try Skittles Apr 2018 #70

I agree with you. They are racist assholes. Doodley Apr 2018 #77

perhaps "what have white people screaming white pride had to overcome" is more articulate Skittles Apr 2018 #91

Here we go again! They may have had to overcome a lot. Being white isn't a golden ticket that Doodley Apr 2018 #92

so do POC, only they put up with RACISM too Skittles Apr 2018 #93

No whites have ever had to overcome oppression? Doodley Apr 2018 #96

One time, I went to Ruby Tuesday for the infinite salad bar and they were out of crutons. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #105

But they didn't have to overcome any of this because they were white EffieBlack Apr 2018 #73

I am from England. My upbringing never gave me any reason not to embrace all people Doodley Apr 2018 #76

What oppression have you faced because of your race? kwassa Apr 2018 #78

I haven't faced any, nor have I claimed I do. However, I have always welcomed all people Doodley Apr 2018 #80

There is racism in England, too. There is racism everywhere. kwassa Apr 2018 #82

One of my best friends at school was black. I dated a black woman. My best friend as an adult was Doodley Apr 2018 #86

Guess I never realized I was so privileged MichMan Apr 2018 #107

Apparently you didn't EffieBlack Apr 2018 #108

Really depends on the field of study MichMan Apr 2018 #109

"They could have taken the same route I did, but chose not to for reasons only they know." EffieBlack Apr 2018 #110

"proud to be white" cyclonefence Apr 2018 #98

I would in large part agree mythology Apr 2018 #15

You are wrong. White people have been oppressed through the ages, by white rulers. Doodley Apr 2018 #65

I think they were talking about in this country. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #66

"The difference is that there isn't a history of oppressing white people." Doodley Apr 2018 #67

I took their comment to mean there's no history of oppressing white people IN THE U.S. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #69

I agree, but that implies black history and black pride starts only on these shores? Doodley Apr 2018 #74

What in the hell are you talking about? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #75

And now you conflate 'imply' and' infer' to continue your narrative... LanternWaste Apr 2018 #102

"Your narrative?" What do you mean by that, exactly? Doodley Apr 2018 #104

Without context, sure. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #24

An important distinction for you to consider EffieBlack Apr 2018 #28

There are a lot of reasons to be proud MichMan Apr 2018 #38

As I said in another post in this thread, you cant cherry-pick EffieBlack Apr 2018 #40

That last sentence sums up much of it. Thanks. dameatball Apr 2018 #51

Yes we can cherry-pick or we can all say goodbye to any pride in our heritage. Doodley Apr 2018 #83

Yes, you can cherry-pick all you want. But when you do, you lose all credibility in the discussion EffieBlack Apr 2018 #84

I am not going to cherry pick. I have already said I think white pride is about white supremacy. Doodley Apr 2018 #89

Another insightful post! A curious question about where this all goes. Beartracks Apr 2018 #52

Usually whenever anyone talks about everyone becoming "just Americans", they mean to give up their EffieBlack Apr 2018 #79

I see exactly what you are saying and as a white male, I agree. White pride is Doodley Apr 2018 #71

👏🏽👏🏼👏🏿👏🏼👏🏽👏🏿 MLAA Apr 2018 #94

well one sense of pride is a counter to the intentional and incidental impact of racism on JCanete Apr 2018 #58

The OP didn't say that. His FB friends did. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #41

uh huh Skittles Apr 2018 #55

He asked how he should respond cyclonefence Apr 2018 #99

Carrie Fisher: "Youth and beauty are not accomplishments; they're the happy spooky3 Apr 2018 #81

You have to come to a message board for advice? Tipperary Apr 2018 #4

Sorry... Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #12

LOL! Vinnie From Indy Apr 2018 #33

Maybe sarah FAILIN Apr 2018 #16

This Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #19

As an AA I thank you for your post. Stay employed, vote for Democrats! nt Anon-C Apr 2018 #42

I feel sorry for you. It must be hellish to feel so isolated. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #49

I am in a blue dot in Indiana. salin Apr 2018 #50

It doesnt seem odd to me at all EffieBlack Apr 2018 #30

When people show you who they are, believe them. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #5

"..proud to be white.. " good Grief! Cha Apr 2018 #6

Thanks Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #9

Well said Cha!!! womanofthehills Apr 2018 #100

Mahalo, womanofthehills! Cha Apr 2018 #106

It is a tremendous personal accomplishment. dalton99a Apr 2018 #8

LOL! Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #11

My answer Clarity2 Apr 2018 #10

Good one! Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #14

they likely see the "proud to be black" notion and feel, gee why can't I be proud to be white? mnmoderatedem Apr 2018 #17

Why would anyone be proud of being white? lunatica Apr 2018 #18

You Nearly "Pre-Quoted" Me ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #97

I remember comedian Chris Rock saying: yallerdawg Apr 2018 #20

So deep EffieBlack Apr 2018 #34

I am not a big fan of pride in general. Pride goes before a fall. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #21

I have always thought it is my right to pick and choose the people I hang around with. Farmer-Rick Apr 2018 #22

Are they proud of Whiteness? And the subsequent white supremacy? ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #23

I'm mostly Swede on my mom's side. Girard442 Apr 2018 #29

Yeah but did you have to suffer through lutefisk? ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #32

Ditch the lutefisk ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #47

I'm proud of my immediate ancestors... Girard442 Apr 2018 #25

Ask them what they mean by that. nt Captain Stern Apr 2018 #27

Ill bet he also clams he shouldnt blamed for slavery because he didnt any slaves EffieBlack Apr 2018 #35

"Whiteness" is a fiction devised to exclude "other" people. It simply DOES NOT EXIST. malchickiwick Apr 2018 #36

proud to be irish? italian? german? NatBurner Apr 2018 #37

That does help with the false equivalency treestar Apr 2018 #46

Are these the same people who are mad they cant use the N word Nevernose Apr 2018 #39

Their biggest achievement, they were born looking white. Mc Mike Apr 2018 #44

I can't even understand that. Why should pride even be associated with a color? Vinca Apr 2018 #45

I'm acutely aware of my privilege. "Proud"? Not so much ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #48

LOL Skittles Apr 2018 #53

What in the hell does proud to be white even mean? What did they have to do with it? what do they JCanete Apr 2018 #56

Im not ashamed to be white. Im ashamed of the privilage our culture affords it. Amimnoch Apr 2018 #57

I am proud Cold War Spook Apr 2018 #60

White isnt a thing Loki Liesmith Apr 2018 #61

Being proud to be white never means defacto7 Apr 2018 #62

Or even "I'm proud to have not done harm today". KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #87

Being proud to be white IS racist. Being proud to be Irish, or German, or Dutch MariaCSR Apr 2018 #63

Exactly. I would simply ask, "What is White?" Caliman73 Apr 2018 #68

Skin color is an accident of birth Bettie Apr 2018 #72

Explaing to the the concept behind the scientific fact of Mitochondrial Eve grantcart Apr 2018 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author fescuerescue Apr 2018 #88

Advice from an old sage... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Apr 2018 #95

I generally just go Low Contact with people that I've unfriended on Facebook TNLib Apr 2018 #101

My answer: "I'm proud I don't have to work as hard to be considered an equal due to my skin color. haele Apr 2018 #103