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206. I think your definition of unconditional oversimplifies the dynamics

Reply to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Sun Apr 8, 2018, 02:38 PM

Apr 2018

of voting/voters today. Many voters are looking for "authenticity", genuine people, straight-forward talk as opposed to just shared positions on issues these days. Seems to me that has to be factored into which candidate might stand the best chance as well (which seems to be the standard in your "unconditional" construct). My two cents anyway.

As for answering your question, it won't be an issue for me as there aren't any challengers to the two Democrats who will be on the federal ballot in my State/District in 2018.

But my answer otherwise would be more along the lines, I'm okay with incumbents being primaried. If I lived in a red State, which I don't, I'm sure electability would be a strong criteria for me, but I might also define "electability" a bit differently than you depending on circumstances (the voters) in that particular State/District.

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Every UNCONDITIONAL supporter of the Democratic Party, step forward! [View all] Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 OP

Pretty strong support here, but unquestioning? unconditional? hlthe2b Apr 2018 #1

Not me, I am afraid of Nazis so for now I will support NO MATTER WHAT Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #3

you presume that we can unquestioningly take a candidate's word for it... hlthe2b Apr 2018 #6

Forget it. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #7

Excuse me? Can you not have a constructive discussion? hlthe2b Apr 2018 #8

Going out of your way to presume someone is going to run as a democrat then switch parties? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #9

I'm saying Republicans can and do take advantage of "unquestioning loyalty to label/affiliation" on hlthe2b Apr 2018 #13

'But her e-mails' MFM008 Apr 2018 #202

Back it up... we are talking primary. Not General. Thus Republicans only enter into discussion hlthe2b Apr 2018 #203

It has happened -- RandomAccess Apr 2018 #39

And they were caught too. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #54

Take a look at Hawaii. We have heaps of people in office who run with a D behind their names mahina Apr 2018 #143

Don't support anything unconditionally, but Hortensis Apr 2018 #211

Omfg..too Wwcd Apr 2018 #20

And I am trying, I am being nice, I am not screaming at people. I want to though Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #22

Because some of us are wary of the worst of REPUG strategies and thus remain skeptical? Really? hlthe2b Apr 2018 #34

Did we learn NOTHING in 2016? Wwcd Apr 2018 #48

Got your back Eliot.................... Old Vet Apr 2018 #138

for heaven sakes, Wwcd, we all have brains and we surely OUGHT to use them hlthe2b Apr 2018 #33

For heavens sakes, See post 7. Wwcd Apr 2018 #76

gotcha hlthe2b Apr 2018 #79

i agree barbtries Apr 2018 #27

No candidate is going to come out of the dark and be in the running for a nomination.... George II Apr 2018 #88

I agree. brer cat Apr 2018 #124

I guess you are right, maybe you need to keep open mind and vote republican sometimes XRubicon Apr 2018 #129

I NEVER have nor would I vote Republican. THAT IS NOT WHAT I SAID & you damned well know it hlthe2b Apr 2018 #130

Oh, sorry. who else other than a democrat would you vote for? XRubicon Apr 2018 #131

If you damned well bothered to read the post I was responding to this was a primary question hlthe2b Apr 2018 #132

"Every UNCONDITIONAL supporter of the Democratic Party, step forward!" XRubicon Apr 2018 #134

i HAVE BEEN HERE SINCE THE BEGINNING AND i HAVE NOTHING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU! hlthe2b Apr 2018 #137

I vote for democrats. XRubicon Apr 2018 #139

do you? hlthe2b Apr 2018 #140

At this point in time, yes. But not always hueymahl Apr 2018 #2

OF COURSE I mean at this point in time Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #4

I vote for Democrats. I support Democrats. I am a proud member of the Democratic Party mcar Apr 2018 #5

Same here, I'll never support ANY candidate or politician who is not a DEMOCRAT!! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #146

I'm a Dem. I support Dems. I vote for Dems. Unconditionally. Binkie The Clown Apr 2018 #10

Speaking of, did you know Jim Morrison was overeating and drinking Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #11

Yeah, that's only been known since like 1971 Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #40

I didn't know that. Thanks for posting, Bucky Apr 2018 #200

We're at war, so that's where I'm at right now BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #12

Great way of putting it, thanks Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #14

Exactly MFM008 Apr 2018 #204

Same I'll nitpick later, after we've won and fixed some shit, but right now it's too important. NightWatcher Apr 2018 #15

Common sense then appeals to you, good. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #16

nitpick melman Apr 2018 #55

Where did I say any of that? NightWatcher Apr 2018 #57

I don't know how many times I've said this lately - a moderate Democrat in office is MUCH better.... George II Apr 2018 #145

Since when have Democrats been against women's rights, the environment R B Garr Apr 2018 #148

How about reading the OP melman Apr 2018 #161

You are the one who should read it. R B Garr Apr 2018 #163

I did read it melman Apr 2018 #164

You obviously did not understand it if you did read it. R B Garr Apr 2018 #167

Nope melman Apr 2018 #169

This is a contrived umbrage. Bernie has supported candidates R B Garr Apr 2018 #170

'It is not saying that is part of the Democratic platform.' melman Apr 2018 #171

Trying to wrench socialist ideals into certain parts R B Garr Apr 2018 #172

It is honestly the only way to salvage the future of this country Wwcd Apr 2018 #66

Here. There is no other choice. nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #17

Wanna know what is REAL SCARY? Even scarier than GET OUT? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #24

There are a few "Vote my principles" types in hiding. Blue_true Apr 2018 #58

Fortunately this board, as far as I know is ONLY for people who will ONLY and ALWAYS vote Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #85

It was slightly before your time sarisataka Apr 2018 #94

I support the democratic party Gothmog Apr 2018 #18

You forgot something Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #19

that's scary JCanete Apr 2018 #21

we're in perilous times barbtries Apr 2018 #23

This is a situation where cons could be tricky and get a candidate past us, for sure. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #26

They don't really have to be all that tricky melman Apr 2018 #52

I'm a 98%-er-I still wouldn't Vote an Incompetent, Unethical or Racist Democrat Stallion Apr 2018 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #29

Strong supporter? Yes. Unconditional? No. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #28

Well such loyalty translates into winning...and then these pugs get to see their agenda move forward Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #49

Questioning is fundamental for democracy. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #69

There won't be any democracy if we don't start winning...fundamental or otherwise. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #156

I agree. murielm99 Apr 2018 #30

OK, but even then anything we SAY that others hear like Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #31

I can't stand the nose holders! murielm99 Apr 2018 #36

Thanks, imagine what happens when you are out to dinner with a group of people, there is Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #38

I do not need another one of your loyalty tests. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2018 #32

I applaud those who try to rally the troop and elect Democrats. I don't quite understand why this Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #47

That is the 1,000.00 question. revmclaren Apr 2018 #67

Vote Democratic always. There is never a time for doing anything else. Only party loyalty from Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #155

Agree 100 percent. revmclaren Apr 2018 #159

This is the best response... tonedevil Apr 2018 #122

Here's the problem with your question -- RandomAccess Apr 2018 #35

Others hear the criticism...even if ultimately you vote for the Democrat others may not. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #44

I think that's an overwrought concern, personally, esp. RandomAccess Apr 2018 #46

I was thinking of social media. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #65

That's not even what they said zipplewrath Apr 2018 #51

All in, Elliot Wwcd Apr 2018 #37

Unquestioning and unconditional...we need to win in 18 and 20 or we are toast. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #41

I vote on the issues. jalan48 Apr 2018 #42

uh huh Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #43

There is no issue that a Republican is better on than a Democrat...and since Greens are just Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #45

The primaries are the time we get to tell our Party what direction we think it should be going. jalan48 Apr 2018 #50

I am pretty sure you know my position on primarying a sitting Democrat when the house is on fire. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #64

Each of us has our own method of voting. That's why we still have a free country. jalan48 Apr 2018 #71

That is right. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #123

So you vote for republicans sometimes? XRubicon Apr 2018 #128

Did I say that? jalan48 Apr 2018 #142

You really ought to remove Planned Parenthood from your sig melman Apr 2018 #53

You know what ...when I first moved to Ohio... I was very unhappy to find out that Tim Ryan Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #61

No I am not being unfair melman Apr 2018 #63

Agreed. n/t theaocp Apr 2018 #125

Count me in njhoneybadger Apr 2018 #56

Absolutely! revmclaren Apr 2018 #59

The only thing I do unconditionally HopeAgain Apr 2018 #60

Family doesnt get a pass MFM008 Apr 2018 #205

First, we vote Democrats into office, then better Democrats into office... FM123 Apr 2018 #62

'better Democrats' melman Apr 2018 #72

To borrow a few words from Pete Seeger.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #68

Remind ourselves that we are not the first to fight back in solidarity for human rights. Wwcd Apr 2018 #75

So no litmus test sarisataka Apr 2018 #70

I was thinking the same thing... disillusioned73 Apr 2018 #81

Count me in! I always vote for the Democrat. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2018 #73

My support for the Democrats was pretty strong even John Fante Apr 2018 #74

I AM! redstatebluegirl Apr 2018 #77

We have a 2 party system. One party is trying to kill bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #78

And not voting or voting 3rd means you ARE voting for the NAZIS Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #86

Yes-agree totally, apathy kills too. bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #116

The house is 217 dems 217 gop Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #117

Its all good. bronxiteforever Apr 2018 #118

I support Democrats in general but there is no such thing as unconditional support. tymorial Apr 2018 #80

I can't remember a single republican or independent over the last 40 years George II Apr 2018 #82

Sign me up. we can do it Apr 2018 #83

I will NEVER vote for a republican ever! kimbutgar Apr 2018 #84

Un-effing-conditional! yallerdawg Apr 2018 #87

Count me in Generic Brad Apr 2018 #89

With key caveat included in your OP, at this time, YES, and for near future too. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #90

This too? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #92

Within reason. If all 3 antis, then they are same as Republicon. With 2, yeah go for it. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #101

Any person with a D after their name giving you seat # 218, even if they are SATAN Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #114

Since SATAN is likely to vote with the Republicans, Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #158

Absolutism denies rational thought. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #91

Hand raised!!! NCDawg Apr 2018 #93

Always and forever. erinlough Apr 2018 #95

The only thing I don't question is the power of love, baby JackInGreen Apr 2018 #96

Dont mention "love" and then NOT commit to removing the nazis, please dont do that Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #100

Sorry. FromMissouri Apr 2018 #97

We have the choice to fight like barn cats during . . . peggysue2 Apr 2018 #98

The party with 218 seats decides EVERYTHING THIS NATION DOES Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #103

Yeah... TommyCelt Apr 2018 #99

The faulty premise underlying GaryCnf Apr 2018 #102

To quote Bill Maher Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #150

+1111! KPN Apr 2018 #207

In the next couple of elections, it is essential treestar Apr 2018 #104

Some well meaning people underestimate the power of criticism when heard Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #105

Yes, I'm for all kinds of things but treestar Apr 2018 #119

180: some well meaning people here underestimate KPN Apr 2018 #208

you lost me at unconditional. Kurt V. Apr 2018 #106

That's me, but to be fair, I've only voted for one Republican in my life & I've been voting catbyte Apr 2018 #107

And then we have Gov. Justice WV - Aug, 2017 - asiliveandbreathe Apr 2018 #108

So what, unless you know for a FACT they are going to do this, you have to vote for them Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #111

I'm not saying to NOT vote Dem..of course you never know what evil asiliveandbreathe Apr 2018 #115

Way ahead of you buddy denbot Apr 2018 #109

Yes! This is an emergency NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #110

Never. Someone needs to prove theyre a Liberal. Actions matter, not party. Oneironaut Apr 2018 #112

Well I hope you feel good Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #151

If winning means electing people who are no different than the GOP, then whats the point? Oneironaut Apr 2018 #160

Yes it is Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #173

History is replete with regimes that demanded ultimate loyalty. Anyone with the ability to think Doremus Apr 2018 #113

In my 46 years of voting I have always voted for the Democratic candidate. elocs Apr 2018 #120

100% truthisfreedom Apr 2018 #121

Can't imagine not voting for a Democratic general election candidate UNLESS Hoyt Apr 2018 #126

Well according to the OP melman Apr 2018 #136

I get it, but luckily havent had that decision in decades. Id probably write in another Hoyt Apr 2018 #141

The OP is saying not to throw your vote away. You keep trying to overthink it so R B Garr Apr 2018 #149

No melman Apr 2018 #162

Yes you are overthinking it, and that is a kind R B Garr Apr 2018 #165

No melman Apr 2018 #166

It looks like you are overthinking why you should R B Garr Apr 2018 #168

Woah Lordquinton Apr 2018 #127

Yellow-Dog Democrat all the way. Except for phonys, like psycho-Sheriff David Clarke. VOX Apr 2018 #133

Only a Sith deals in absolutes tritsofme Apr 2018 #135

I am with you gopiscrap Apr 2018 #144

That would be me! MoonRiver Apr 2018 #147

There have been a few times in my life when I have voted for a Republican candidate after appleannie1943 Apr 2018 #152

Is it blue dog or yellow dog? lark Apr 2018 #153

I'm voting for the democratic candidate in any election workinclasszero Apr 2018 #154

They haven't made the Dem so corrupt that I would choose a Republican instead. Orsino Apr 2018 #157

This is just really stupid sammythecat Apr 2018 #174

Sorry, I am not a mindless zombie. Not for anyone. LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #175

So in other words Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #178

In other words, I am not going to let them take over the Democratic Party as well LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #183

To quote Bill Maher Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #184

Friends, imperfect or not, dont demand unconditional support LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #185

So how is the view up there Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #187

In other words you got nothing LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #192

No in other words Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #194

Which is why it is important not to be zombies who give unconditional support to any party. Nt LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #195

Its more important to support those fighting evil Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #196

They are equally important and One can do both LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #197

A bad assumption is Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #198

I never said any of that! LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #209

I never said that you did. Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #210

You never made an accusation? Let me refresh your memory: LostOne4Ever Apr 2018 #212

Thats not the same post Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #215

I can support the party unconditionally, while having disagreements with others in the party ehrnst Apr 2018 #176

I do these threads every so often to see how many non party supporters there are Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #177

Perfectionism and obsessive compulsive reactions to any dissent ehrnst Apr 2018 #179

Really? G_j Apr 2018 #214

This question is really: Do you have faith in the voters of the Democratic Party to not screw up TeamPooka Apr 2018 #180

Me too Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #182

Here TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #181

It's called yellow dog. McCamy Taylor Apr 2018 #186

I will vote for the Democratic candidate... Sancho Apr 2018 #188

count me in!! bluestarone Apr 2018 #189

My office building is on fire and this friend of mine, Jasper, wants to decide Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #191

Been voting straight Dem my entire voting-age life lanlady Apr 2018 #190

I have never voted for a Republican and never will Awsi Dooger Apr 2018 #193

I'm a questioning, critical, pragmatic, proud & loyal Democrat Bucky Apr 2018 #199

I always have been and always will be..... CatMor Apr 2018 #201

I think your definition of unconditional oversimplifies the dynamics KPN Apr 2018 #206

This cycle? Me. 100% dead dog dem. . . . .n/t annabanana Apr 2018 #213