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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
5. Unfortunately you are handing them the microphone and now have to wait for them to
Sun Apr 8, 2018, 06:15 PM
Apr 2018

go through an idiotic minefield which will take you hours to disprove.


I normally don't bother but if I find someone who is actually interested in facts and reasonable dialog the following works 100% of the time:


"You are wrong, <as they open their mouth to interrupt you, slowly bring your hand up with an open palm in the universal stop signal and calmly say, enunciating each word clearly and forcefully> and I can prove it"

Virtually every time the interlocutor will an astonished look. They know that they are just spinning most of the time. Many times they will say "really?".

Example

"All the regular people are getting together to 'take this country back again'".


"You are wrong, and I can prove it".

"Over the last 25 years we have had 7 Presidential elections and the Democrats have either won or had the highest vote in 6 out of the 7 and in the 2004 election we were in the middle of a hot war and the US has never changed parties in the middle of a hot war.

In this century we have had 5 Presidential elections and 2 of them or 40% the minority party was given control of the executive branch even though the Democrats won the election.

The legislative branch is even worse. More Americans vote for Democrats in the single state of California than in the 20 least populated states and Democratic candidates for Congress get more votes than Republican candidates but get less seats because of brazen gerrymandering.

Phrases like "take this country back again" are used to take power away from the majority so that powerful elites can manipulate the system."

For it to work you have to have established some other common interest like work, social, religion etc. but if some relationship exists then the "I can prove it statement" stops them cold.

Problem is what they think is "proof" RazzleCat Apr 2018 #1
So true. They have a pretty low bar for what qualifies as "truth" or "fact." n/t Beartracks Apr 2018 #2
A very low bar. nt Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #3
"a comment that they heard it from their friend who has the proof. " dixiegrrrrl Apr 2018 #24
Usually, they're satisfied to retort with... forgotmylogin Apr 2018 #39
Exactly. Ever ask a Christian for proof about their religious claims? stopbush Apr 2018 #28
100% Runningdawg Apr 2018 #30
That's what my conservative friend does mitch96 Apr 2018 #35
This country Meowmee Apr 2018 #4
Unfortunately you are handing them the microphone and now have to wait for them to grantcart Apr 2018 #5
Yes, and that strikes their technique dead in its tracks. KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #19
My problem is I can't remember all the facts to disprove them mitch96 Apr 2018 #36
Agree,it is most useful with right wingers. But sometimes it is useful with others. Hoyt Apr 2018 #6
I like "who told you that?" (works great online too) progree Apr 2018 #7
I like that one. Initech Apr 2018 #8
Trouble is most all of that shit is based on faith. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #9
Why this works: Fake news sharing in US is a rightwing thing, says study CousinIT Apr 2018 #10
Wishfull thinking. Captain Stern Apr 2018 #11
I've found that if I say, "I'll show you the proof" people will say, 'NO" Maraya1969 Apr 2018 #12
Just dont bother posting to Snopes, Politifact or any fact checking service Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2018 #13
I find it very effective Mr.Bill Apr 2018 #14
Theres always that! Initech Apr 2018 #15
Yep. dogknob Apr 2018 #38
Your fallacy is that you are assuming logic works. airplaneman Apr 2018 #16
"counter-techniques" - Look at Trump. He flat out lies. keithbvadu2 Apr 2018 #17
That is true- they have no logic! Initech Apr 2018 #18
At best all it does is make them go away. KentuckyWoman Apr 2018 #20
The RWNJs also use this tactic FakeNoose Apr 2018 #21
You're probably right that it won't stop RWers BUT... WePurrsevere Apr 2018 #31
Whatever source you use for proof, Mr.Bill Apr 2018 #43
And here I thought the seven words were going to be spike jones Apr 2018 #22
No but I like that one! Initech Apr 2018 #23
That does make sense EricMaundry Apr 2018 #25
+1 mitch96 Apr 2018 #37
That's your book-learnin' talkin'. DetlefK Apr 2018 #26
That's my standard response to the religious as well. Reality and science are not their thing. flibbitygiblets Apr 2018 #27
I like to add HAB911 Apr 2018 #29
My favorite thing to do is to feign hyper attentive bright eyed interest. LSFL Apr 2018 #32
show me proof from acknowledged LEGITIMATE, RELIABLE sources (inforwars, breitbart, fox, niyad Apr 2018 #33
Or unfriend them or block their posts from showing up in your newsfeed IronLionZion Apr 2018 #34
Proof for them is their uncle Bob heard their uncle Ray say it so they know it's true. harun Apr 2018 #40
Right-wingers are very selective about their leaps of faith. sandensea Apr 2018 #41
Been there, tried that... mreilly Apr 2018 #42
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