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EffieBlack

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79. Usually whenever anyone talks about everyone becoming "just Americans", they mean to give up their
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 12:03 AM
Apr 2018

Last edited Mon Apr 9, 2018, 09:16 AM - Edit history (1)

identity and absorb themselves into the culture, traditions and history of white Americans.

I don't want to give up my own heritage and don't think anyone else should give up theirs. And I don't want to be seen as "just an American" because that means that I'm not seen in the fullness of who I am.

There's nothing wrong with recognizing and appreciating diversity and the differences between us. The problem comes when value judgments are made based on those differences.

I once upset a white colleague I was meeting for the first time when he asked me how he would recognize me in the restaurant. I told him, "I'm black." He got really flustered and said, "Um, well. That's not important. What will you be wearing?" And I said, "I have on a brown suit. And I'm black." He stammered some more and said, "What color is your hair?" It was pretty funny. Later, when we got to know each other better, I asked him why he had such a hard time just accepting that I was telling him I was black so that he would have an easier time finding me in the restaurant - after all, my skin color is my most visible distinguishing characteristic.

He said that he doesn't see color and didn't want me to think he was a racist. I explained to him that, first, of course he sees color. He'd be an idiot if he didn't. And there's absolutely nothing wrong in noticing that I'm black - no more unacceptable than him noticing that I'm female. And there's certainly nothing wrong with noticing my race when trying to find me in a crowded restaurant. The problem would come in if he used that to make judgments about me - to determine my intelligence, or competence or morality or to decide whether he should hire me or trust me with his business, etc.

So I'm not a fan of the "let's all be just Americans" approach - because none of us is "just" an American. We are our history, our culture, our heritage and that should never be ignored or dismissed.

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Your answer should be IluvPitties Apr 2018 #1
Well said. Thanks! Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #2
Excellent reply. Blue_true Apr 2018 #31
My answer would be, "I am a proud member of the human race, one who believes in Diversity, Equality Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #43
Why are you proud of an accomplishment cyclonefence Apr 2018 #3
One could say the same about Black pride, Gay pride or Latino pride for that matter. MichMan Apr 2018 #7
Disagree cyclonefence Apr 2018 #13
Not understading the nuances MichMan Apr 2018 #26
white pride, what exactly did white people have to overcome Skittles Apr 2018 #54
I think being proud of yourself is a revolutionary act dawg day Apr 2018 #59
Are you kidding? You don't think white people had to overcome anything. My white family have had Doodley Apr 2018 #64
nice try Skittles Apr 2018 #70
I agree with you. They are racist assholes. Doodley Apr 2018 #77
perhaps "what have white people screaming white pride had to overcome" is more articulate Skittles Apr 2018 #91
Here we go again! They may have had to overcome a lot. Being white isn't a golden ticket that Doodley Apr 2018 #92
so do POC, only they put up with RACISM too Skittles Apr 2018 #93
No whites have ever had to overcome oppression? Doodley Apr 2018 #96
One time, I went to Ruby Tuesday for the infinite salad bar and they were out of crutons. Act_of_Reparation Apr 2018 #105
But they didn't have to overcome any of this because they were white EffieBlack Apr 2018 #73
I am from England. My upbringing never gave me any reason not to embrace all people Doodley Apr 2018 #76
What oppression have you faced because of your race? kwassa Apr 2018 #78
I haven't faced any, nor have I claimed I do. However, I have always welcomed all people Doodley Apr 2018 #80
There is racism in England, too. There is racism everywhere. kwassa Apr 2018 #82
One of my best friends at school was black. I dated a black woman. My best friend as an adult was Doodley Apr 2018 #86
Guess I never realized I was so privileged MichMan Apr 2018 #107
Apparently you didn't EffieBlack Apr 2018 #108
Really depends on the field of study MichMan Apr 2018 #109
"They could have taken the same route I did, but chose not to for reasons only they know." EffieBlack Apr 2018 #110
"proud to be white" cyclonefence Apr 2018 #98
I would in large part agree mythology Apr 2018 #15
You are wrong. White people have been oppressed through the ages, by white rulers. Doodley Apr 2018 #65
I think they were talking about in this country. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #66
"The difference is that there isn't a history of oppressing white people." Doodley Apr 2018 #67
I took their comment to mean there's no history of oppressing white people IN THE U.S. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #69
I agree, but that implies black history and black pride starts only on these shores? Doodley Apr 2018 #74
What in the hell are you talking about? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #75
And now you conflate 'imply' and' infer' to continue your narrative... LanternWaste Apr 2018 #102
"Your narrative?" What do you mean by that, exactly? Doodley Apr 2018 #104
Without context, sure. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #24
An important distinction for you to consider EffieBlack Apr 2018 #28
There are a lot of reasons to be proud MichMan Apr 2018 #38
As I said in another post in this thread, you cant cherry-pick EffieBlack Apr 2018 #40
That last sentence sums up much of it. Thanks. dameatball Apr 2018 #51
Yes we can cherry-pick or we can all say goodbye to any pride in our heritage. Doodley Apr 2018 #83
Yes, you can cherry-pick all you want. But when you do, you lose all credibility in the discussion EffieBlack Apr 2018 #84
I am not going to cherry pick. I have already said I think white pride is about white supremacy. Doodley Apr 2018 #89
Another insightful post! A curious question about where this all goes. Beartracks Apr 2018 #52
Usually whenever anyone talks about everyone becoming "just Americans", they mean to give up their EffieBlack Apr 2018 #79
I see exactly what you are saying and as a white male, I agree. White pride is Doodley Apr 2018 #71
👏🏽👏🏼👏🏿👏🏼👏🏽👏🏿 MLAA Apr 2018 #94
well one sense of pride is a counter to the intentional and incidental impact of racism on JCanete Apr 2018 #58
The OP didn't say that. His FB friends did. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #41
uh huh Skittles Apr 2018 #55
He asked how he should respond cyclonefence Apr 2018 #99
Carrie Fisher: "Youth and beauty are not accomplishments; they're the happy spooky3 Apr 2018 #81
You have to come to a message board for advice? Tipperary Apr 2018 #4
Sorry... Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #12
LOL! Vinnie From Indy Apr 2018 #33
Maybe sarah FAILIN Apr 2018 #16
This Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #19
As an AA I thank you for your post. Stay employed, vote for Democrats! nt Anon-C Apr 2018 #42
I feel sorry for you. It must be hellish to feel so isolated. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #49
I am in a blue dot in Indiana. salin Apr 2018 #50
It doesnt seem odd to me at all EffieBlack Apr 2018 #30
When people show you who they are, believe them. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #5
"..proud to be white.. " good Grief! Cha Apr 2018 #6
Thanks Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #9
Well said Cha!!! womanofthehills Apr 2018 #100
Mahalo, womanofthehills! Cha Apr 2018 #106
It is a tremendous personal accomplishment. dalton99a Apr 2018 #8
LOL! Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #11
My answer Clarity2 Apr 2018 #10
Good one! Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #14
they likely see the "proud to be black" notion and feel, gee why can't I be proud to be white? mnmoderatedem Apr 2018 #17
Why would anyone be proud of being white? lunatica Apr 2018 #18
You Nearly "Pre-Quoted" Me ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #97
I remember comedian Chris Rock saying: yallerdawg Apr 2018 #20
So deep EffieBlack Apr 2018 #34
I am not a big fan of pride in general. Pride goes before a fall. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #21
I have always thought it is my right to pick and choose the people I hang around with. Farmer-Rick Apr 2018 #22
Are they proud of Whiteness? And the subsequent white supremacy? ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #23
I'm mostly Swede on my mom's side. Girard442 Apr 2018 #29
Yeah but did you have to suffer through lutefisk? ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #32
Ditch the lutefisk ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #47
I'm proud of my immediate ancestors... Girard442 Apr 2018 #25
Ask them what they mean by that. nt Captain Stern Apr 2018 #27
Ill bet he also clams he shouldnt blamed for slavery because he didnt any slaves EffieBlack Apr 2018 #35
"Whiteness" is a fiction devised to exclude "other" people. It simply DOES NOT EXIST. malchickiwick Apr 2018 #36
proud to be irish? italian? german? NatBurner Apr 2018 #37
That does help with the false equivalency treestar Apr 2018 #46
Are these the same people who are mad they cant use the N word Nevernose Apr 2018 #39
Their biggest achievement, they were born looking white. Mc Mike Apr 2018 #44
I can't even understand that. Why should pride even be associated with a color? Vinca Apr 2018 #45
I'm acutely aware of my privilege. "Proud"? Not so much ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #48
LOL Skittles Apr 2018 #53
What in the hell does proud to be white even mean? What did they have to do with it? what do they JCanete Apr 2018 #56
Im not ashamed to be white. Im ashamed of the privilage our culture affords it. Amimnoch Apr 2018 #57
I am proud Cold War Spook Apr 2018 #60
White isnt a thing Loki Liesmith Apr 2018 #61
Being proud to be white never means defacto7 Apr 2018 #62
Or even "I'm proud to have not done harm today". KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #87
Being proud to be white IS racist. Being proud to be Irish, or German, or Dutch MariaCSR Apr 2018 #63
Exactly. I would simply ask, "What is White?" Caliman73 Apr 2018 #68
Skin color is an accident of birth Bettie Apr 2018 #72
Explaing to the the concept behind the scientific fact of Mitochondrial Eve grantcart Apr 2018 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author fescuerescue Apr 2018 #88
Advice from an old sage... KY_EnviroGuy Apr 2018 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author Raine Apr 2018 #95
I generally just go Low Contact with people that I've unfriended on Facebook TNLib Apr 2018 #101
My answer: "I'm proud I don't have to work as hard to be considered an equal due to my skin color. haele Apr 2018 #103
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