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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
Mon Apr 9, 2018, 01:31 PM Apr 2018

Why "Bernie was arrested in '63" is an inappropriate answer to criticism of his civil rights record [View all]

Let me preface this by saying this is in no way an attack on - or even a criticism of - Bernie Sanders or a diminishment of his civil rights activism in the 1960s or an effort to "refight the primaries."

But all too frequently, any attempt to question or, God forbid, criticize, Sanders' record, attitudes or comments on civil rights today is met with a reminder that he was arrested while protesting for civil rights in 1963, often with an accompanying photograph and sarcastic comments such as "Here's a picture of Bernie hating black people," or similarly snide remarks.

So, let me explain why such responses to questions about Sanders' current record are not only completely beside the point, but show an ignorance about the civil rights movement, not to mention an arrogance and paternalism that is very galling to me and many other African Americans. Maybe, once folks understand this in a little more depth, they will be less likely to dismiss us in such a way.

First, I think it's great that Bernie Sanders and tens of thousands of other young white college students participated in civil rights protests across the country during the 1960s. They truly made a difference, whatever their contribution.

Some, like Bernie, participated in protests at or near their schools. Some traveled to other parts of the country to protest. Some went into the deep South to help organize and work on an ongoing basis. Some joined protests that put them in serious danger - such as the Freedom Riders who had no idea whether they would come back alive and, sadly, some did not. But whatever the degree and depth of their participation, every one made a difference.

Bernie Sanders' participation was admirable and laudable and appreciated. But he did not get involved or make the kinds of sacrifices that many other students made. Again - that's not a knock on him, just the reality. He participated in protests in which he knew that he would not face great harm or risk to his body, life or future. He joined a protest in which the students planned to be arrested, practiced for it (the movement trained protesters in non-violence and how to be arrested so as not to be injured or accused of resisting arrest). He also likely knew, going in, that, like most white students in these protests, he would not be physically abused, his rights would be protected, he would be released shortly thereafter and his penalty would be a small fine - in this case $25 - and the arrest would not have any negative impact on his education or future career.

The benefit of this type of protest did not come in the suffering or brutality that many black and white protesters endured elsewhere, but in showing the country the power and numbers behind the movement. And they were very important and very effective.

So, I have nothing but praise for what Bernie did in 1963. He was a small part of something very important. He did the right thing. He could have stayed in his comfy dorm room, but he went out, inconvenienced himself, and lent himself to the fight. He was on the right side of history.

But people should recognize that participating in a righteous fight in the past does not, in and of itself, completely define a person for all time. Charlton Heston marched with Dr. King. As a college student, Mitch McConnell participated in the March on Washington and worked for a senator who helped to break the filibuster of the 1964 Civil Rights Act. I'm certainly not comparing Bernie to these two men, but just noting that support for civil rights in 1964 does not, by itself, mean that someone's positions can't be and shouldn't be questioned. And it surely doesn't make those who participated in it civil rights experts or icons who must be revered by virtue of what they did 55 years ago.

But more important is this simple fact: The civil rights movement was not a gift to black people. It wasn't a movement in which white people GAVE something to or did something for us. It was a movement, led by black people, in which Americans of all races joined together, prayed together, fought together and died together not to save us but to save AMERICA.

So, in my view, the notion that participation in the movement confers on a white person some special grace because they did something for black people and, as a result, black people must be forever grateful and cannot ever raise any question about their positions is not just insulting, it shows an incredible lack of understanding of what the civil rights movement really was. And it reveals a shallow and paternalistic view of civil rights and social justice as a movement based on an erroneous assumption that YOU did something for US and we should be forever grateful - and if we aren't, we are somehow betraying YOU.

For me, the bottom line is that Bernie Sanders did the right thing in 1963. I give him a lot of credit for that. But that credit is not unlimited and it definitely isn't a bottomless store of goodwill that shields him from any responsibility for or scrutiny of his subsequent actions, positions, views, or comments today. I appreciate what he did, but I don't OWE him anything, including reverent acceptance of whatever he says or does, for it.

So, again, I say, Thank you, Senator Sanders for doing the right thing 55 years ago and joining with us to help bring America closer to the more perfect union that we ALL want it to be. Now, let's talk about how you can continue to walk on that path with us now.


There's another point I want to make today. Just as Dr. King predicted, the rise of black southerners to full citizenship also lifted their white neighbors. "It is history's wry paradox," he said, "that when Negroes win their struggle to be free, those who have held them down will themselves be free for the first time."

After Selma, free white and black southerners crossed the bridge to the new South, leaving hatred and isolation on the far side—building vibrant cities, thriving economies, and great universities, a new South still enriched by the oldtime religion and rhythms and rituals we all love, now open to all things modern and people of all races and faiths from all over the world, a new South in which whites have gained at least as much as blacks from the march to freedom. Without Selma, Atlanta would never have had the Super Bowl or the Olympics. And without Selma, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton would never have been elected President of the United States.
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My fellow Americans, this day has a special meaning for me, for I, too, am a son of the South, the old, segregated South. And those of you who marched 35 years ago set me free, too, on Bloody Sunday, free to know you, to work with you, to love you, to raise my child to celebrate our differences and hallow our common humanity.

I thank you all for what you did here. Thank you, Andy and Jesse and Joe, for the lives you have lived since. Thank you, Coretta, for giving up your beloved husband and the blessings of a normal life. Thank you, Ethel Kennedy, for giving up your beloved husband and the blessings of a normal life.

And thank you, John Lewis, for the beatings you took and the heart you kept wide open. Thank you for walking with the wind, hand in hand with your brothers and sisters, to hold America's trembling house down. Thank you for your vision of the beloved community, an America at peace with itself.

I tell you all, as long as Americans are willing to hold hands, we can walk with any wind; we can cross any bridge. Deep in my heart, I do believe, we shall overcome."

President Bill Clinton, Remarks on the 35th Anniversary of the 1965 Voting Rights March in Selma, Alabama
March 5, 2000

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=58210

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This should be fun..... brooklynite Apr 2018 #1
I don't understand why Sanders has so much realty on here trixie2 Apr 2018 #71
Excellent Read Me. Apr 2018 #2
"He was a small part of something very important. He did the right thing." mcar Apr 2018 #3
K&R Gothmog Apr 2018 #4
Wow! You really beat the crap out of that strawman! Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #5
... LexVegas Apr 2018 #17
How wonderfully mature of a response. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #24
That's the latest thing here. chwaliszewski Apr 2018 #36
That was not a strawman. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #88
Very well said. Orsino Apr 2018 #6
Hillary was a high school student still living with her Republican parents pnwmom Apr 2018 #29
Hillary doesn't need to be defended for Goldwatering. Orsino Apr 2018 #34
She shouldnt have to be but she is BASHED constantly EVERYWHERE about that Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #81
Agreed. At this point, it's ancient history. DinahMoeHum Apr 2018 #7
What has anyone in the Democratic party been doing lately? progressoid Apr 2018 #43
Great question.. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #63
The answer for sure. hahaha!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #133
I notice there is no response to your question sammythecat Apr 2018 #123
I notice you had no response to my response to the question EffieBlack Apr 2018 #125
Because his question was factually un-informed emulatorloo Apr 2018 #129
Your question isn't pertinent to the point of my OP EffieBlack Apr 2018 #124
Big fail. You got your ass handed to you above. And Bernie doesnt need your kind of help emulatorloo Apr 2018 #128
Another outstanding post all american girl Apr 2018 #8
Very good BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #9
Of course EffieBlack Apr 2018 #20
The civil rights movement was not a gift to black people. It wasn't a movement in which white people Exotica Apr 2018 #10
Outstanding post, Effie. (Thank you!) NurseJackie Apr 2018 #11
Thank you mia Apr 2018 #12
K&R sheshe2 Apr 2018 #13
K&R. Thank you for the work you do here. You shouldn't have to but I appreciate it. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #14
Thanks EffieBlack Apr 2018 #22
TRUTH WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #42
I may have to ratio this on my forehead grantcart Apr 2018 #46
Thank you, Effie. kstewart33 Apr 2018 #15
Another important post. Thank you. yardwork Apr 2018 #16
Good Post, but you are triggering those with BDS* hueymahl Apr 2018 #18
I've always heard that anytime you place a "BUT" after your Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #19
Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #21
Or the reverse PJMcK Apr 2018 #25
GOT Jon Snow: "Father always said everything before the word 'but' is horseshit.' AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #69
LOL yes, you are so right. My bad. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #104
No bad, Ferrets PJMcK Apr 2018 #105
That story is hilarious. TY for sharing it. Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #107
One may safely presume 'however', 'although' and 'yet' also used to express this alleged negation LanternWaste Apr 2018 #27
Wrong. It's the opposite, actually. nt pnwmom Apr 2018 #30
Because actually addressing the points in my OP is just too difficult? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #31
Hrmmm...where'd ya read that. TCJ70 Apr 2018 #68
I'm so glad you're reading my posts! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #70
I can't believe anyone actually has to explain this to you EffieBlack Apr 2018 #75
It can be far more subtle than that treestar Apr 2018 #82
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #101
I think it tends to negate what came before the but. David__77 Apr 2018 #151
Here is something from 1964 that was prescient BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #23
27 years in congress, NAACP 100% approval 27 times jg10003 Apr 2018 #26
That's nice EffieBlack Apr 2018 #28
Good read, thank you. Brogrizzly Apr 2018 #33
LOL! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #35
Wow how similar themes to a recent photo op disaster, guns I think? Brogrizzly Apr 2018 #39
"he was screaming and yelling on the floor of the House but the chamber was usually empty" BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #41
My (D) Senator Bob Casey BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #32
Well said. Thanks. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #37
K&R brer cat Apr 2018 #38
Thank you! n/t pnwmom Apr 2018 #40
If it is not a bash-Sanders thread, why start it at all? Save a post like this for a reply Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #44
How is this a "bash Sanders thread?" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #45
You scratch an open wound UNnecessarily, keeping it festering without healing. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #47
So, it's NOT a "bash Sanders" thread, then but "scratches an open wound?" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #48
Call it that if you prefer, because it does that. It was UNnecessary to start a THREAD. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #51
Perhaps you'd like to join THIS thread, which occurred BEFORE my OP, and admonish folk not to EffieBlack Apr 2018 #53
That backhanded argument is not you at your best. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #78
Thank you for your "feedback." EffieBlack Apr 2018 #80
You're not the boss.. I'm glad Effie Black post as she Cha Apr 2018 #97
It's known as "vetting" a potential candidate, something that is finally being done here on DU George II Apr 2018 #66
Vetting is great. Opening this thread out of context is not the best way to do that, I feel. . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #79
How can an OP be "out of context"? It is it's own context. George II Apr 2018 #83
Apparently, some topics are only to be discussed in "quiet rooms" nt EffieBlack Apr 2018 #84
Nonsense. Nothing I wrote implies that. I even encouraged you to use it as a reply multiple times. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #86
"Quiet Rooms" buried in various random threads in response to various random posts EffieBlack Apr 2018 #90
Of course. I feel that creating a context like that was unnecessary for what is a "response". Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #85
When all else fails.. Cha Apr 2018 #118
Indeed. Nt EffieBlack Apr 2018 #119
+1000 nt Plucketeer Apr 2018 #49
Oh, and thanks for your advice on where and how I should communicate on DU EffieBlack Apr 2018 #52
If we can't give each other feedback, we lose a way to improve. You can reply to POST you mention. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #58
I posted it in another reply to you, but here it is again EffieBlack Apr 2018 #61
Purism in feedback & instruction is impractical. As if your post there didn't "instruct". & OP here. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #72
Just alert on the thread and be done with. Or else simply trash the thread emulatorloo Apr 2018 #132
Don't tell Effie how to post. Cha Apr 2018 #96
Perhaps we should hope you take your own advice about telling people how to post. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #98
Oh right.. just keep it up then, if you so desire Cha Apr 2018 #100
Heh. Thanx coach The Polack MSgt Apr 2018 #108
I certainly do. nt EffieBlack Apr 2018 #116
Of course that's true. But what's the point? Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #50
I find it hard to believe you missed the point. But let me explain it again EffieBlack Apr 2018 #56
I got that point Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #92
My post does not "make Bernie Sanders a daily topic of negative discussion" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #94
In all of these types of threads, I fail to see what terrible things Bernie has done IronLionZion Apr 2018 #54
Either you didn't read my OP or you're being ridiculous on purpose. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #59
What's your purpose? IronLionZion Apr 2018 #65
I explicitly stated it in my OP EffieBlack Apr 2018 #67
I dont know if its inappropriate. I dont find it especially pertinent. David__77 Apr 2018 #55
Then please feel free to ignore it if it's not pertinent to you EffieBlack Apr 2018 #57
I referred to the reference to past participation in demonstrations. David__77 Apr 2018 #60
Got it. I misunderstood you. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #62
No problem at all! David__77 Apr 2018 #64
Bash, bash, bash... mudstump Apr 2018 #73
Where in my post did I "bash Bernie?" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #77
If you have to start your post with... mudstump Apr 2018 #74
Not at all - I have to preface my post with such verbiage to try to prevent the alert-mongers and EffieBlack Apr 2018 #76
Or not. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #93
right.. No one must have any criticism of BS at Cha Apr 2018 #99
What can you do, Cha? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #103
Nothing will satisfy Cha Apr 2018 #106
Oh, well ... EffieBlack Apr 2018 #109
K&R betsuni Apr 2018 #87
Awesome post, Effie. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2018 #89
Another great post. Effie. lunamagica Apr 2018 #91
Thank you, Effie Black Cha Apr 2018 #95
Imagine that Hillary Clinton took a year of attending Wellesley to work to desegregate karynnj Apr 2018 #102
Imagine supporting Bernie without engaging in Trumpian Whataboutisms n/t emulatorloo Apr 2018 #130
I am not supporting Bernie karynnj Apr 2018 #136
It is Trumpian because Trump answers all criticisms with but What About Hillary? emulatorloo Apr 2018 #138
You miss I praised HRC, unlike Trump, who never does karynnj Apr 2018 #142
Did you actually read the OP? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #139
Your condescension is obvious and I refuse to play your game karynnj Apr 2018 #141
In other words, you made a claim about me you can't back up. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #144
No anyone reading your repeated attacks stating that I karynnj Apr 2018 #147
"Sanders really did put himself on the line far more than almost any white politician I have read of EffieBlack Apr 2018 #137
You are incredidably articulate, therefore I assume karynnj Apr 2018 #140
"What he did was far more than an average liberal white man or woman in that time frame did" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #143
Again, i said white liberal POLITICIANS karynnj Apr 2018 #145
No, that's NOT what you said. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #146
It is exactly what I said in post 102 karynnj Apr 2018 #148
I wasn't responding to Post 102. I was responding to the post I responded to EffieBlack Apr 2018 #149
However that is not true karynnj Apr 2018 #150
I don't care that the Black Community Jspur Apr 2018 #110
That's on you.. I do care. It's not that Cha Apr 2018 #111
That, along with his certainty that his meager record entitles him to gratitude, EffieBlack Apr 2018 #112
Exactly, Effie Cha Apr 2018 #114
Elaborate on Jspur Apr 2018 #115
Two Wrongs don't make it right.. I care about the Native Amercians Cha Apr 2018 #117
And he and his supporters claim mcar Apr 2018 #120
Not just happy, but grateful and - unless we're offering praise and thanks - silent. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #127
Empathy is the ability to understand he feelings of others EffieBlack Apr 2018 #122
fair points. nt JCanete Apr 2018 #113
The way a photo of Sanders was thrown at me yesterday as some great point. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #121
That's why I wrote the OP EffieBlack Apr 2018 #126
Excellent post. It's relevant to more people than just Bernie MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #131
Thank you for getting it and for explaining it so well EffieBlack Apr 2018 #134
Thank you. I think PropaneJane knocked some sense into me MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #135
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