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Tom Rinaldo

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135. I was offering a topic to answer what makes Sandres so worthy of constant attack to some here

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 03:12 PM

Apr 2018

For example, if Bernie Sanders were pushing some privatization initiative, that would be something people might feel an obligation to fight him on. Or if he was pushing to relax elements of Dodd Frank for another example.Or seeking restrictions on Abortion, or cuts to child nutritional programs

Whether or not Sanders is effective is a debate I am willing to have after the midterms if it appears at that point that he may intend to run for President again. Because then we can debate between candidates on our side, which one is better for which reason or reasons. There are different ways to define effective, we can get into that later. Right now some are going out of their way it seems to find critical things to say about Bernie Sanders. Even if I were to 100% agree with you that Sanders is an ineffective legislator (ignoring other aspects of what might be accomplishing), do you find significant fault with his voting record then?

I bet you have no idea about the legislative record of the majority of members of the Democratic Caucus, nor should that matter to you if they do not represent you personally and they are not announced candidates for an office that you will get to vote on.

Meanwhile there are more posts on DU attacking Bernie Sanders than there are attacking Scott Pruitt, when the latter's future hangs in the balance. Bernie Sanders voted against Pruitt by the way. Does that upset you about him?

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Bernie has been "tone policed" beyond anything I've ever seen. The irony is that to a large part of [View all] redgreenandblue Apr 2018 OP

Outstanding post. Thanks. nt ladjf Apr 2018 #1

I would definitely stop short of saying Sanders has been tone policed beyond anything you've seen. JCanete Apr 2018 #2

Poor victim. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #3

You want to talk about Sanders and civil rights? jberryhill Apr 2018 #5

"using African Americans as props" equals Killer Mike. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #9

Thats exactly it. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #10

Yes, yes, we know. Bernie marched was arrested 55 years ago EffieBlack Apr 2018 #17

+1. dalton99a Apr 2018 #20

And another +1. calimary Apr 2018 #105

Marched once, then almost nothing after. Blue_true Apr 2018 #30

Hell, I believe Mitch McConnel marched with Dr.King as well. Dream Girl Apr 2018 #35

Thank you, EffieBlack. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #43

How many white college kids took a year off college to fight segregation in Chicago? karynnj Apr 2018 #51

Agreed. Ancient history by now. Big fucking deal. DinahMoeHum Apr 2018 #88

Well said. NT Adrahil Apr 2018 #93

Great point. John Fante Apr 2018 #112

+1000 ehrnst Apr 2018 #181

I bet he doesn't even like hot sauce! QC Apr 2018 #68

Very nice. But that's not a free pass... Adrahil Apr 2018 #100

Robert Byrd was wearing a white sheet in those days. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #187

Spot on Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2018 #70

Hes achieved more than you ever will. Kentonio Apr 2018 #166

I believe that to be questionable at best. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #172

Just tired of these snide little attacks Kentonio Apr 2018 #173

Check out post 166. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #174

+1 betsuni Apr 2018 #175

"Tens of millions of Americans" who were not previously "politically engaged?" ehrnst Apr 2018 #179

### NurseJackie Apr 2018 #183

Can you be more specific? ehrnst Apr 2018 #178

tone-policed? bigtree Apr 2018 #4

That was trully amazing. Haven't had lunch yet, but almost blew my breakfast. nt. Blue_true Apr 2018 #31

"while some Democrats were still muttering "All Lives Matter" under their breaths" LexVegas Apr 2018 #6

I saw that too. Attacking and smearing Democrats for the purpose of... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #15

Outright lies to defend a non-Democrat. LexVegas Apr 2018 #16

No kidding! I, for one, do not know (or know of) calimary Apr 2018 #111

Exactly, total bullshit. FSogol Apr 2018 #23

It's all about coronating Saint Bernie. You must understand. Blue_true Apr 2018 #32

Lord. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #7

I feel like you are tone-policing with that gif. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #12

Ha!! :-D (Perfect!) NurseJackie Apr 2018 #14

I disagree. RDANGELO Apr 2018 #8

How is Bernie criticizing democrats every chance that he gets not hurting the party? nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #34

From what I have seen, he is criticizing the message. RDANGELO Apr 2018 #40

Maybe Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #45

You might have a point about the way in which he makes his criticisms. RDANGELO Apr 2018 #55

So criticizing Bernie's message is "tone policing," but criticizing Dems' is "help." Got it. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #46

Here is the rub though, there is NO message, NOTHING, if we dont get 218 seats Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #57

He might be more effective in that NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #58

Assuming that we are all interested in politics because we want a better society, RDANGELO Apr 2018 #101

His registration has to do with NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #153

Yup! KPN Apr 2018 #152

Political Support Democrats Do not post support for Republicans or independent/third-party "spoiler Fullduplexxx Apr 2018 #11

And the next rule down: Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #141

Thank you i didnt see this although i figured a sanders exemption would be created Fullduplexxx Apr 2018 #150

So why isn't this rule enforced? karin_sj Apr 2018 #154

You'd have to ask the admins. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #160

Oh Ive seen more intense tone policing a time or two. ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #13

More trashing of ACTUAL DEMOCRATS leftynyc Apr 2018 #18

He is and always will be the nonDemocrat who efhmc Apr 2018 #56

+1000 TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #144

Is Bernie "too far to the left" for America Progressive dog Apr 2018 #19

Welcome to Hillary's world Upstate One Apr 2018 #21

Popular with the white working class? Please. He was popular with young white people & the far left FSogol Apr 2018 #22

That was very short-sighted of him to not think of doing that. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #27

Bernie in 2015: "Arent most of the people who sell the drugs African American?" SidDithers Apr 2018 #24

Wow...I missed that one. Lucinda Apr 2018 #25

Me too... SidDithers Apr 2018 #26

Holy shit. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #33

I wasn't going to post it... SidDithers Apr 2018 #38

FUCK I wish I hadnt seen it now, reminds me of tax returns and voting AGAINST russian sanctions Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #59

And there was his Mike Brown should have been going to college gaffe. Dont speak of the dead if bettyellen Apr 2018 #146

+1,000,000,000 ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #147

Thank you for that, Sid.. how clueless Cha Apr 2018 #171

That's not a statement that will go away. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #176

Wow. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #188

No, We Wont Calm Down Tone Policing Is Just Another Way to Protect Privilege NCTraveler Apr 2018 #28

No it's not. In this case it is an agenda. The pattern of application has to be considered Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #39

All the negative attention tells me Bernie is seen as threat by some financial/political forces. jalan48 Apr 2018 #42

I wonder what the polls say about his support from the AFrican AMerican community Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #60

I would assume the AA Community is a political force. jalan48 Apr 2018 #82

Didnt you mean financial force politically? Didnt you mean Wall Street? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #84

Yes, I doubt Wall Street and the big banks support Bernie and they have the big bucks. jalan48 Apr 2018 #97

Wait WHAT did you just say? That black people are aligning with Wall STreet against Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #99

No-I said it's interesting they are aligned in opposition to Bernie. jalan48 Apr 2018 #107

The African-American community is NOT aligned in opposition to Bernie. Jim Lane Apr 2018 #162

Thanks for that info. I don't get the feeling it breaks down that way here on DU though. jalan48 Apr 2018 #163

But that's different because we're, you know, confused EffieBlack Apr 2018 #86

I would never pretend to say who you should think is great for you Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #103

He had great support from the African American community LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #87

That's weird, not AT ALL What this says Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #90

You are comparing his popularity between Hillary and Bernie LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #122

Wow, talk about re-writing history! KitSileya Apr 2018 #165

Thank you for posting this! betsuni Apr 2018 #167

Thanks Tom LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #54

Drive by shooter. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #65

Predictable response LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #76

It just stuck out like a sore thumb. Drive by shooter is perfect imagery.... NCTraveler Apr 2018 #80

Nice LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #124

A career politician with very little to show. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #64

"great white victim" Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #96

Fallacy NCTraveler Apr 2018 #104

How many other exchanges from the 2016 primary debates do you want to relive here now? Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #106

I understand his tone policing of women must be a little uncomfortable. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #110

I haven't had a hide in over 5 years - I could get ganged up on I suppose Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #117

"I think you just want Bernie to "go away"." NCTraveler Apr 2018 #125

So, if I wanted to find a list of his major legislative accomplishments, where would I look? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #132

I was offering a topic to answer what makes Sandres so worthy of constant attack to some here Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #135

While he is campaigning. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #138

We are not in primary season. There are no declared candidates Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #142

Very good analysis! Jim Lane Apr 2018 #72

THIS A Million Time THIS -- RandomAccess Apr 2018 #116

I missed the "he's no damn good where race is concerned" threads EffieBlack Apr 2018 #118

Links are too numerous to mention, Effie RandomAccess Apr 2018 #121

Then don't post them all. But if they're so numerous, it shouldn't be difficult to post 2 or 3. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #123

Okay -- here ya go RandomAccess Apr 2018 #126

This isnt a "Bernie's no damned good on civil rights" thread EffieBlack Apr 2018 #129

Agree 100 percent! karin_sj Apr 2018 #156

Your post is pinned on Reddit. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #161

K&R this post.. disillusioned73 Apr 2018 #186

at least when kerry was swift boated it was done by the gop..... dembotoz Apr 2018 #29

Its amazing how twisted it is. bahrbearian Apr 2018 #49

actually got the idea from a post further up...so twist away dembotoz Apr 2018 #73

He wasn't on the pro side of marriage equality until his state adopted it dsc Apr 2018 #36

From Slate.com OCT. 5 2015 3:05 PM by Mark Joseph Stern irisblue Apr 2018 #137

Bernie was for "state's rights" because DOMA made it illegal for states that were... Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #169

Bernie presses his own agenda every time. BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #37

what the hell is "his own agenda" or his "own personal views, and standards and policies"? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #47

There's nothing new, creative or unique in most of the list... BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #62

Again.....what do you mean? LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #98

Most of those are MY issues, too - but I don't need a politician to tell me what the issues are EffieBlack Apr 2018 #66

Tone Policed Me. Apr 2018 #41

Really, Me.. what Cha Apr 2018 #170

There's A Tone All Right Me. Apr 2018 #184

One more time DownriverDem Apr 2018 #44

OMG. You sound exactly like the GOP telling us to get over Trump. Please stop. vsrazdem Apr 2018 #50

Don't give a shit sammythecat Apr 2018 #74

K&R Kurt V. Apr 2018 #48

The oldest person ever elected President was Reagan. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #52

You want to know who is tone policed every day all american girl Apr 2018 #53

Best post of the day, I should stop now, but i wont Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #61

Oh Eliot, you are making me blush all american girl Apr 2018 #63

Perfect - thanks. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #67

Calling him white in this context negates the fact that Jews are subject to racist anti-Semitism. David__77 Apr 2018 #69

Yes, I agree with that all american girl Apr 2018 #79

I do not disagree. David__77 Apr 2018 #81

Great post Gothmog Apr 2018 #78

Excellent post, all american girl! Cha Apr 2018 #185

Thank you Cha!!! all american girl Apr 2018 #189

The 'Tone Police' revmclaren Apr 2018 #71

Here is "tone policing" all american girl Apr 2018 #75

Too shrill mcar Apr 2018 #85

And what's with her hair? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #89

Oh yeah, one of my favorites. all american girl Apr 2018 #92

And her clothes? mcar Apr 2018 #109

Thank you all american girl Apr 2018 #91

+1 Hong Kong Cavalier Apr 2018 #155

Every syllable Hillary utters is ripped apart, even at DU. There are "progressives" ... Hekate Apr 2018 #77

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #127

He stepped into the big leagues.... Orsino Apr 2018 #83

Tone policing would be insinuating... NCTraveler Apr 2018 #94

Awesome... Another bash Bernie thread... Chakaconcarne Apr 2018 #95

Uh...what? LexVegas Apr 2018 #102

Maybe this is the tone he was looking for when he accused Clinton of "shouting". NCTraveler Apr 2018 #108

Tone Policing NCTraveler Apr 2018 #113

But, but that was a COMPLIMENT! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #114

I have a lot of tone policing comments toward Obama and Clinton on the way. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Apr 2018 #119

"Bernie became popular with the white working class in 2016 because spoke...about economics to them" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #120

He did if you look at actual polling data. redgreenandblue Apr 2018 #149

Cite/Link? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #151

Mostly 538 redgreenandblue Apr 2018 #164

Do you have an actual cite or link to the numbers you gave? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #177

I'm sure you've seen this chart: redgreenandblue Apr 2018 #180

Thanks. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #182

A whole segment of Joe S was dedicated to Clintons voice. That's tone policing. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #128

Geraldo about Clinton. Again, this is tone policing. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #130

Chris Plante on Clinton. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #131

I wonder if the poor oppressed tone policed guy will ever deal with crap like this. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #133

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #134

I agree n/t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #136

How America will react to the various candidates in 2020 remains to be seen. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #139

If you think Bernie has been "tone policed" Blue_Tires Apr 2018 #140

Exactly! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #148

Downright tone gestapo-ed. VOX Apr 2018 #157

I hear he walks on water. VOX Apr 2018 #158

You haven't seen them talk about Clintons cackle? NCTraveler Apr 2018 #143

Bernie Sanders is not your savior. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #145

Some more tone police. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #159

Bernie who??? Lil Missy Apr 2018 #168