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quinnox

(20,600 posts)
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 02:27 PM Jan 2012

The echoing futility of attacking Greenwald with shallow discourse [View all]

Ok, I know everyone just loves to see another Greenwald thread (sarcasm) but I just wanted to say I think the continuing attacks against Greenwald are rather ineffective and futile.

So far, I'm not seeing substantive and intelligent rebuttals of any of his arguments, but instead a steady drum beat of cheap and one line personal attacks on either his character, or his supposed political leanings as the par for the course. There has even been other more repellent attacks that pertain to sexuality, which I will not go into for the sake of civility. I suggest this in good faith, to help the critics of the man, if your aim is to make people reconsider what Greenwald says in his columns, then attack his arguments with sound and logical arguments in return rather than shallow and ineffective drive by postings. In my view, this is the way to join the debate, approaching it with reason and an honorable intention.

Indeed, when I see the kinds of attacks leveled at Greenwald of late, it makes me want to read his work more, not less. Because if someone generates this much controversy with super heated and wild resistance, they are bound to be interesting and have important things to say.

People are certain to take the logical arguments approach much more seriously and give it all due consideration than the other "low brow" form. Speaking for myself, I think Greenwald is a brilliant writer, but that doesn't mean I think he is always right or correct in his writings. If I see a well reasoned argument on the other side of what he proposes, then I give that much more credence and credibility. I try and take a fair approach to these matters. My two coppers.

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And ditto for ... frazzled Jan 2012 #1
good for you then quinnox Jan 2012 #4
Greenwald regularlly soiled diapers when he was an infant. Wilms Jan 2012 #2
lol quinnox Jan 2012 #7
I've seen plenty of intelligent rebuttals to Greenwald. Here's the thing though FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #3
What does any of that have to do with it? MNBrewer Jan 2012 #5
I'm responding to the OP, not a specific Greenwald article. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #8
No one is perfect. Yeah. That's it. Wilms Jan 2012 #6
Yeah, that IS it. Being 'perfection' is in the eye of the beholder. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #10
And which one of those groups pressed him on indefinite detention? Wilms Jan 2012 #11
Congress and senate who have the votes to override a veto. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #12
So? Wilms Jan 2012 #13
You DO KNOW that the bill WASN'T just about that one section, right? There's actually alot of good FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #14
I used to believe that "Big Tent" stuff, too. Wilms Jan 2012 #15
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions I guess. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #16
not on civil liberties getdown Jan 2012 #18
I believe they are looking for a repeal of certain provisions. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #23
I'd find that refreshing. Wilms Jan 2012 #24
yeah getdown Jan 2012 #25
And supporters of murder of Pakistani children... a country we are not at war with. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #17
Who supports murdering Pakistani children? Or a racist drug war? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #19
When you vote for most Democrats, you are also Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #27
SO your solution is to vote republican? Or just not vote at all? FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #29
I never said that. That's kind of like the "you're with us or with the terrorist" Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #30
But I expect everyone to know this info. We don't need some journalist to make up our own minds. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #34
Our President for one thing. And nearly all of our elected officials of either party. Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #28
Greenwald has attacked "Lefty posters"? Excuse my skepticism. Do you have a link for such attacks? AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #20
I have NO POWER whatsoever to destroy Greenwald's reputation, nor do I have interest in doing so. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #22
That's not responsive and does not support your claim that Greenwald attacked "Lefty posters". AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #36
Several of the people in that painting owned slaves. Odin2005 Jan 2012 #21
Well, in that case... Wilms Jan 2012 #26
Ineffective against what? treestar Jan 2012 #9
I just got a call from an old friend who has been a lifelong Democrat and spends about 25% of his grantcart Jan 2012 #31
It's a piece of lint gazing at its own navel, inside of a navel being gazed at. MilesColtrane Jan 2012 #32
heh, thanks for that report quinnox Jan 2012 #33
Is the criticism of Greenwald hitting too close to home for you? MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #35
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