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38. I agree that her experience was a positive factor ...
Mon Jul 30, 2012, 02:47 PM
Jul 2012

However I know a number of people who have carry permits who are ex-military with combat experience or retired police. Obviously such people have the edge in maintaining their cool in a dangerous situation.

It is also true that many regular shooters who legally carry concealed are far better at shooting than most police officers who only qualify once or twice a year.

Fortunately mass murders are extremely rare events. They also often happen in "gun free" zones as the shooter is looking for a shooting gallery where he can rack up a high score of kills before the armed police arrive. The shooter in the most recent Colorado shooting was also wearing body armor and used tear gas. Even a police officer on the scene armed with only his handgun would have had a difficult time stopping this individual if he had chosen to fight. Obviously an armed citizen or citizens in the Aurora movie theater would have faced the same difficulty and would have likely ended up injured or dead.

There have been many incidents in which a person with a carry permit was able to stop a criminal attack. Most end up without any shots being fired as a predator is looking for a victim who lacks the ability to fight back effectively. Such incidents usually occur at arm's length and the ability to accurately shoot at distance is not a factor.

Eighty percent of all homicides are caused by criminals or criminal gangs. Many involve "drive by" shootings and frequently innocent people are killed or injured.

How many gun deaths are in the US every year?

Answer:
Per the Center for Disease Control, latest figures (2005) show 30,694 firearm deaths (all races, all ages, both sexes) in the United States.
Since a firearm is an inanimate object, it can not be the sole creator/ root cause of a death as it must be handled by a person in order to be fired.
A more accurate description is approximately 16,000 suicides using a firearm.
Approximately 12,252 murders by firearms 80% of which are caused by felons/career criminals/gang member activities. USDOJ National Gang Threat Assessment annual report 2009.
Approximately 600 justifiable defensive shootings by both police and citizens.
The remainder in accidental firearms discharges.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_gun_deaths_are_in_the_US_every_year


In my opinion it would make far more sense to attack the criminal gang problem in our nation rather than greatly restrict firearm ownership or try to overturn the carry of firearms by honest citizens. Perhaps we should reconsider our failed War on Drugs which provides much of the profit for organized crime and leads to turf wars between drug gangs in our inner cities.

Stopping mass murderers is far more difficult as they usually are suffering from serious mental issues. I feel we need to carefully evaluate our mental health care system and determine how we can improve it. This might also reduce the number of suicides caused by firearms.



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Actually, the massacres that are prevented because a bystander had a gun Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #1
I'm sure that's a good point... Blanks Jul 2012 #3
And as a result, he was convicted of criminal possession of a weapon in the third degree. baldguy Jul 2012 #50
The Technical Term For That, Sir, Is Bullshit The Magistrate Jul 2012 #4
You know why the Earth has never been invaded by aliens? Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #8
I thought it was because they couldn't detect any intelligent life forms. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #10
Just a bunch of armed Yahoos chewing 'baco and spittin' Coyotl Jul 2012 #67
Duzy! n/t kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #19
I've got a rock that saves me from tiger attacks. harmonicon Jul 2012 #33
You're welcome rock Jul 2012 #37
How often do we get a post that is tailor made? Poiuyt Jul 2012 #39
Very rarely n/t rock Jul 2012 #48
LOL! lumberjack_jeff Jul 2012 #49
I just burst out laughing LadyHawkAZ Jul 2012 #63
why aren't you up there right now?... lame54 Jul 2012 #51
I can't thank you enough. Blanks Jul 2012 #56
Well if you must, just don't drop anything k? chknltl Jul 2012 #57
Skip the shotgun and coffee; it's the Pringles that are scaring them off. gkhouston Jul 2012 #60
Crunchy cheetos here. geckosfeet Jul 2012 #64
And don't forget that Viet Nam never invaded Texas while the shrub was AWOL. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #69
Well, true enough, but you might remember that Reagan hinted that whathehell Aug 2012 #76
Yeah, and Grenada had "Cuban military-trained workers" at the airport. HopeHoops Aug 2012 #80
Exactly...wish I could rec your post joeybee12 Jul 2012 #9
I beg to differ ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2012 #14
If you read those stories that the NRA point to.. paparush Jul 2012 #17
They have the element of surprise. alfredo Jul 2012 #40
Tyler Texas Courthouse shooting. AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #59
I remember that case... DaDeacon Aug 2012 #78
Your memory is faulty. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #79
No. If that ever happened the NRA would not let us forget ... Auggie Jul 2012 #5
LOL! Capt. Obvious Jul 2012 #6
so how about Garion_55 Jul 2012 #7
Bruce Willis does it all the time. alfredo Jul 2012 #43
Name one. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #16
OK. Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #18
Ummm... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #24
Preventing means stoping it from occuring nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #32
It would not really be in the service of CPL holders, if some of us started killing AtheistCrusader Jul 2012 #61
I wish that Holmes would have been stopped after shooting only one or two people (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #70
I'm really tired of this meme. It's BS. Daemonaquila Jul 2012 #21
in your first example, the gunman was tackled not shot or threatened to be shot yurbud Jul 2012 #26
Pearl, Mississippi was stopped by someone with a gun yurbud Jul 2012 #27
In your third link, the shooter was pursued by armed bystander AFTER he was done yurbud Jul 2012 #29
He was stopped retroactively nxylas Jul 2012 #65
First example he was detained in a classic hot stop nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #31
Jeanne Assam who had a carry permit and was acting as a volunteer security guard at a church ... spin Jul 2012 #34
Sorry, but she was a former police officer nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #35
I agree that her experience was a positive factor ... spin Jul 2012 #38
INHO we need gun laws nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #42
I definitely agree that training is a prime factor ... spin Jul 2012 #46
Thanks. I think guns should be licensed and registered just like cars are, Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #47
Based on my experience Mopar151 Jul 2012 #53
The reason that we may have observed a difference ... spin Jul 2012 #55
Isn't that a critical difference? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #71
OK, lets look at Florida ... spin Aug 2012 #72
Thank you for proving my point regarding Florida and CCW nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #73
The Zimmerman case is strange ... spin Aug 2012 #74
And I would never, ever move to florida nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #75
I can deal with a hurricane or a severe tropical storm ... spin Aug 2012 #77
Every time a CCW permittee shoots a gun-waving idiot at a convenience store... krispos42 Jul 2012 #52
Care to list all these instances? Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2012 #66
Good point about the Sudafed suffragette Jul 2012 #2
If Sudafed is criminalized, only criminals will have Sudafed. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #28
...cold dead meth lab. yurbud Jul 2012 #44
"well--maybe next massacre" NJCher Jul 2012 #12
Ah he puts another quarter in the one armed bandit, he says "Well, maybe next time." alfredo Jul 2012 #41
Huge K and R nt Vanje Jul 2012 #13
LOVE that, especially the last frame. Zoeisright Jul 2012 #15
One shooting spree WAS stopped by bystanders, the Colin Ferguson subway shooting yurbud Jul 2012 #20
that is so good. barbtries Jul 2012 #22
bystanders even stopped a TERRORIST attack on a plane! yurbud Jul 2012 #25
Did tom tomorrow read my posts? nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #30
T.P. bongbong Jul 2012 #36
and sex laws and taxes... yurbud Jul 2012 #45
I think the thread comments have upstaged the political cartoon. BootinUp Jul 2012 #54
Fifty Gun Massacres in Three Decades SoDesuKa Jul 2012 #58
''....fifty gun massacres in three decades...'' DeSwiss Jul 2012 #62
But if people bring their guns to events Courtesy Flush Jul 2012 #68
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