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18. Good Read on Dangled Pardons. Shows what Trump was trying to do to get around Mueller

Thu Apr 12, 2018, 05:29 PM

Apr 2018

https://www.justsecurity.org/54356/dangling-pardon-obstruction-justice-even-pardon-power-absolute/

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The message of the dangle was sufficiently clear:
" hang in there and keep fighting (do not cut a deal with the special counsel) because you will be pardoned before you spend a day in jail."

The President and his lawyer’s hope would have been that with the threat of jail eliminated, neither former aid would feel compelled to plead guilty and cooperate with Mueller to reduce his sentence.

But, since they were not actually pardoned or not yet anyway, they still kept their Fifth Amendment privileges, and so Mueller could not simply demand they testify before the Grand Jury.

In this way, the dangle could operate to stop any cooperation from Flynn and Manafort, who could then be pardoned later if and when they were indicted or even after their cases went through pretrial, trial and appeal.

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Tweet from Rachel Maddow! Wow! Obstruction of justice, including dangling pardons to grand jury! [View all] DippyDem Apr 2018 OP

So we add witness tampering to the list... The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2018 #1

The republicans in congress still have to do something about it. AJT Apr 2018 #2

Precisely Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #3

They absolutely will do something about it - rank fuckwittery Cosmocat Apr 2018 #40

+1, they will pee on the report ... that's about it uponit7771 Apr 2018 #44

Nah... kag Apr 2018 #64

lol uponit7771 Apr 2018 #72

I have always said the republicans were gonna use him like a shield askyagerz Apr 2018 #48

I hope you're right. But the damage has been done to them. They've shown they're cowardly. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #50

I dont think they are scared of trump but their base askyagerz Apr 2018 #60

They saw what happened to Corker & Flake, when they spoke out. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #62

But you're forgetting about the primaries. briv1016 Apr 2018 #76

hooooolllly fffffff mercuryblues Apr 2018 #4

Lindsey Graham will surely give Trump a tough speech now standingtall Apr 2018 #5

and a serious finger-wagging... HopeAgain Apr 2018 #15

But first Lindsay has to hop on a Lear Jet.... magicarpet Apr 2018 #19

After he plays a round of golf with his party's Leader MagickMuffin Apr 2018 #23

FOUR ! I mean... FORE ! magicarpet Apr 2018 #32

+1, don't forget McConnell will scowl and Ryan will hide for 2 weeks uponit7771 Apr 2018 #46

I dont think so. The republicans are not going to do sqwat. It will be up to the voters next in still_one Apr 2018 #6

GOP are incapable of putting country over party Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #27

Agreed, but their refusal to act will result in... Adrahil Apr 2018 #37

They will absolutely do something - be the hypocrital jackasses they are Cosmocat Apr 2018 #41

Good, He deserves the very worst, because he is the very worst...nt Stuart G Apr 2018 #7

Come on, Mueller! Nail this bastard! IluvPitties Apr 2018 #8

And Rachel does not screw around with this stuff. nolabear Apr 2018 #9

She may not be an emotion tweeter cungar2000 Apr 2018 #39

Let it go! roscoeroscoe Apr 2018 #74

Whoa!!! triron Apr 2018 #10

This would be big. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #11

I can't wait to see Rachel Maddow Show tonite! n/t DippyDem Apr 2018 #12

I just made sure I have enough popcorn... FailureToCommunicate Apr 2018 #17

I have only 2 microwave bags left DippyDem Apr 2018 #22

Okay, you need to re-examine your life... FailureToCommunicate Apr 2018 #36

OK! Thank you for the push! I'll get on it, pronto! DippyDem Apr 2018 #42

No one knew that the demand for popcorn was this strong BBG Apr 2018 #45

I just got a Presto Air Popper! It works great! nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #51

here mnmoderatedem Apr 2018 #66

I also have popcorn with plenty of butter... chillfactor Apr 2018 #38

Wonder what else the 4 findings on Trump include?? triron Apr 2018 #13

It might include his lawyer John Dowd FakeNoose Apr 2018 #29

K & R malaise Apr 2018 #14

kick for visibility triron Apr 2018 #16

Good Read on Dangled Pardons. Shows what Trump was trying to do to get around Mueller Wwcd Apr 2018 #18

Only 4? world wide wally Apr 2018 #20

Who the Hell does he think he is, Al Capone? BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #21

Pretty much. Rude awakening coming. dameatball Apr 2018 #24

He doesn't even have VD, which drove Al mad, as an excuse for being insane. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #31

You're right, he doesn't. And he's got the combat medals to prove it. argyl Apr 2018 #70

I hope. I'm not convinced anything will be DONE, & we'll be left w/a mob boss in the W.H.nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #52

I Agree SoCalMusicLover Apr 2018 #57

That's my fear. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #61

So this basically means nothing will happen to Trump oberliner Apr 2018 #25

Agree. The GOP congress will do nothing about obstruction during Trump's presidency. Freethinker65 Apr 2018 #28

You raise a good point oberliner Apr 2018 #34

Ehhhh.... Volaris Apr 2018 #68

State crimes may not be "high crimes & misdemeanors." Also, can't indict a President.... Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #53

tRdump has always whipped out... magicarpet Apr 2018 #26

You need darkness to do that. His $$ is in sunlight right now. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #56

Hoping to tune into her show tonight. riversedge Apr 2018 #30

Lordy! happy feet Apr 2018 #33

In the replies a tRumpLicker adamantly asserts that tRump will be President through 2024. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #35

He May Very Well Be SoCalMusicLover Apr 2018 #58

You are being defeatist. Democrats are capable of blue waves. Get with the program, please. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #67

Ryan and McConnell will pee on reports and do nothing uponit7771 Apr 2018 #43

Rachel said Trump would pardon people three weeks ago. former9thward Apr 2018 #47

We have Trump tax returns bearsfootball516 Apr 2018 #55

Well then publish them. former9thward Apr 2018 #71

Hmm. Mueller's team doesn't normally leak. What gives? nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #49

I will be watching Rachel tonight Gothmog Apr 2018 #54

Oh My BadGimp Apr 2018 #59

I wish this could convince Republicans he's a corrupt asshole. Kablooie Apr 2018 #63

How do you convince the already corrupt that their guy is corrupt? ananda Apr 2018 #65

Rachel's tone just changed. She just said Right now is a time to be ready. Be sober. Be calm. FailureToCommunicate Apr 2018 #69

That's about all he's capable of dangling Blue Owl Apr 2018 #73

Its on! duforsure Apr 2018 #75