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moriah

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75. He's remarkably good at "not knowing" anything that would get him in trouble...

Fri Apr 13, 2018, 11:18 AM

Apr 2018

Too damn good for it to be coincidence or ineptitude. You have to TRY to bury your head so far in the sand... but we need the Republican party and Pence himself so tied to Trump's fuckups that he can't win in 2020 before impeaching Trump.

Don't make the mistake of dismissing Pence as inept. He is the Evangelical wet dream and probably the reason many were able to hold their noses for Trump -- thinking if he did fuck up bad enough they'd get a President who likely watches The Handmaid's Tale for inspiration.

I'm all for any criminal case against anybody at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue to go ahead. I want to see Trump try to say he's above the law and can't be indicted. That'd be the rule of law. I want to see him as at least named a co-conspirator in any charges against Cohen for campaign finance fraud, based on what we know has been released into public record.

Impeachment is a political process, which like all political processes, should be done strategically in the political climate we have. Yes, it is a means to an end.

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Sorry, not buying the Pence Is Worse thing [View all] jberryhill Apr 2018 OP

K&R... spanone Apr 2018 #1

Sorry, not buying the Pence Is Worse thing. LenaBaby61 Apr 2018 #2

He's a different insane nini Apr 2018 #3

Both are insane in a different way. Theocracy insanity VS plain old insanity, still insane. sarcasmo Apr 2018 #76

Yup, just a different kind of worse. N/T SonofDonald Apr 2018 #79

On the same wavelength tonight, just posted an op on him.... Heartstrings Apr 2018 #4

Exactly! If the pervert is gone the suppressed pervert will Lint Head Apr 2018 #5

I disagree More_Cowbell Apr 2018 #6

Um, Trump is the candidate the GOP nominated jberryhill Apr 2018 #8

Pence's ideals and personality are almost as wretched as Gump's. John Fante Apr 2018 #10

non-malignant narcissist not hellbent on destroying Western Civilization poboy2 Apr 2018 #67

If they wanted him, they'd have impeached Trump by now leftstreet Apr 2018 #20

The only reason they dont move to impeach Trump... Atman Apr 2018 #40

Republicans also admitted NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #48

If nothing else, their base would start revolting mythology Apr 2018 #65

If pence was the candidate the GOP wanted NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #49

If I absolutely had to choose ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #7

Was it really that funny? oberliner Apr 2018 #32

Well, they were drunk. Aristus Apr 2018 #60

No, but I wanted to compare us to the intelligent scientist ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #78

Sounds good to me oberliner Apr 2018 #80

Are we for the rule of law or political expediency? Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #9

He is the lawful religious bigot, but he is at least lawful.... pbmus Apr 2018 #11

No he isn't lawful radical noodle Apr 2018 #19

How do we know this? MFM008 Apr 2018 #44

Would it help you to know radical noodle Apr 2018 #64

You were asked for specifics RandomAccess Apr 2018 #84

While governor radical noodle Apr 2018 #88

Thank you RandomAccess Apr 2018 #91

Trump needs to be not just taken out of the POTUS but imprisoned Exotica Apr 2018 #12

He is NOT Mr. Clean if Manafort wanted him. He also has Russian connections. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #17

Exactly manor321 Apr 2018 #13

Good point. He will continue to haunt them because he always has to get his smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #66

i agree, plus Trump is already destroying Women's Rights, LGBT Rights etc which people as reason JI7 Apr 2018 #14

Pence would bring in a different staff and cabinet. progressoid Apr 2018 #15

Like his recent choice as national security advisor? radical noodle Apr 2018 #22

Trump is doing maybe irreparable harm to the institutions themselves misanthrope Apr 2018 #16

He's no more clean than trump radical noodle Apr 2018 #18

I agree. Pence is odious the way many Republicans are. But he's not, pnwmom Apr 2018 #21

If the campaign - that also involved BlueMTexpat Apr 2018 #23

It seems most of il douche's program is oddly similar to Pence rpannier Apr 2018 #24

Trump must be gotten rid of ASAP, but Pence could be worse in the following sense: Garrett78 Apr 2018 #25

Thats what Nader voters said about Bush in 2000 RandySF Apr 2018 #26

I have a slightly different take. Even if the "Pence is worse" argument is valid, the fact is still_one Apr 2018 #27

You should make this an OP, still_one. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #81

Thanks sheshe. still_one Apr 2018 #82

I have no idea how one defines "worse"... TreasonousBastard Apr 2018 #28

Ford also lost a very close election to Carter NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #50

What makes you think hes inept? RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #29

I partially agree with you amlehn Apr 2018 #30

The key phrase is... Mike Nelson Apr 2018 #31

I disagree Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #33

Most of the draconian "RW agenda" BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #35

We will have to disagree Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #38

I think we are seeing the beginning of the end of the teabaggers BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #42

He is fucking evil. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #34

pence is at least familiar with the processes of government instead of a hack reality "star" NightWatcher Apr 2018 #36

pence has an actual ideology, unlike the trumpf who just parrots what the last person in his face KG Apr 2018 #37

In one sense, Pence is worse because I can see all of the GOP getting behind him in 2020 Vinca Apr 2018 #39

The people of Indiana might disagree about him not being a "one man wrecking crew." GoCubsGo Apr 2018 #41

Trump is so bad, it's hard to believe Pence could be worse. Ditching Trump for Pence struggle4progress Apr 2018 #43

"So I picked this guy because Manafort said Putin wanted him on the ticket" dalton99a Apr 2018 #45

Would you be ok with Jerry Falwell or Franklin Graham? Greybnk48 Apr 2018 #46

I'm not -okay- with Pence jberryhill Apr 2018 #53

I'm not sure what you're implying. Greybnk48 Apr 2018 #57

Its sort of amazing that this basic fact of sane is better than madman poboy2 Apr 2018 #69

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #47

Pence is worse domestically, but not as likely to start a nuclear war. lark Apr 2018 #51

I'm with you... as bad as a President Pence would be. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #52

Well, either Trump or Pence would be "better" if constrained by Dem majorities. Orsino Apr 2018 #54

Agree Kaleva Apr 2018 #55

He would keep a lower profile with fewer gaffes and stupid tweets IronLionZion Apr 2018 #56

Pence would not start WWWIII mercuryblues Apr 2018 #58

People said that about Trump - even some Dems said he was less hawksh than Hillary EffieBlack Apr 2018 #68

Agree 100% workinclasszero Apr 2018 #59

I completely agree. At least with Pence we won't have the constant stress of smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #70

Right workinclasszero Apr 2018 #86

No big deal, especially if Dems retake house and senate Fiendish Thingy Apr 2018 #61

There is no one on the planet treestar Apr 2018 #62

I heartily agree BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #63

I agree. Pence is an average Republican nutjob. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #71

Pence is a POS...but Trump is a would be fascist and a criminal. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #72

Agree completely. (nt) Paladin Apr 2018 #73

Neither am I. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #74

He's remarkably good at "not knowing" anything that would get him in trouble... moriah Apr 2018 #75

The only good thing about Trump is... Denis 11 Apr 2018 #77

Pence isn't worse than trump. And what's more, we (Dems) have all the witches. Sugar Smack Apr 2018 #83

Damn straight. Here's proof -- RandomAccess Apr 2018 #85

Trump is a psychopath who has spent Progressive dog Apr 2018 #87

At least he knows how to keep his mouth shut and his dick in his pants. Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #89

Look at the damage Trump has done kskiska Apr 2018 #90