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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
68. Great verbiage as always, but WRONG conclusions.
Mon Jan 2, 2012, 03:04 PM
Jan 2012

'Adopting GOP beliefs' is not the same as being forced to compromise with a radical, hate-filled GOP Congressional majority and lock-step GOP Senate, to save the lives Obama knows will be lost.

The GOP threatens to shut down the government at every turn, knowing it will cause violent rebellion, which they want to use to step into power with and go full fascist. They've bred discontent and paranoia to both sides, since they own all of the media and cater to the left, too.

For their faithful, their pundits have called for the death of Obama OPENLY since Day One. They paid for movies saying Obama intends to slaughter most of mankind. For the left, they slant every single thing that Obama did, not to save lives, but to make his actions hateful to the left, so they will bow to them, too.

When Obama said he was humbled to be president for over 300 million people, he said it was an awesome responsibility. It is a fearful thing. Humility and compromise, no matter how distasteful, is required. As an advocate, I know about being forced to be humble enough to make compromise with powerful people I consider villains, because lives are at stake, not my pride, or my own morality. We don't get to give all we want to those we protect.

The way some 'left' pundits pile on Obama, it's like accusing a carjacking victim of 'believing' that the carjacker was right. That with a gun to their head, threatening to shoot the driver, his family, even his dog in the back seat, he believes it is okay.

Obama has been dealing with these extortionists since he arrived in office. As far as his sin of appointing 'evil people' in his cabinet and elsewhere, the pundits may have forgotten the objections to his liberal appointments by the regressive representatives. These pundits don't dirty their hands by going to the grassroots level, when criticizing a president is so much easier and attention getting.

By not voting, which gave Obama the Tea Party, Americans have voted for the regressives, the status quo. So Obama is reacting to the reality we gave him, which doesn't mean he wants it. But by not supporting his progressive agenda by electing representatives to vote with him, the man has to be wondering if anyone believes in what he ran on anymore. It's still not the man, it's the ideas and Greenwald's focus on the man diverts our energy from them.

Obama's promoting and signing progressive legislation in 2009, which no one seems to remember, drove the GOP absolutely NUTS and they brought in the baggers. They had conspiracy media promoting an alternative reality about things that have never come true, mandatory forced vaccinations, the Obama youth squads set to drag Constitution-loving Americans out of their homes, race riots of suddenly empowered AA's rising up to kill whitey, a flood of illegals and Muslims to create Greater Aztlan, the worldwide calipate, Sharia law, gun confiscation and people being rounded up into FEMA camps.

It never stops and now the 'left' has gone into the same conspiracy mindset, just as intended, as if there is no middle ground between Prison Planet and the Left now. At some point one has to look at where the left meets these rightwing nutjobs and call it like it is.

They are NOT now and have not been, looking out for the millions that the GOP wanted off the rolls, not looking out for the millions on Social Security, Medicare or any of that. No, they will bite your head off if you mention the big picture.

Greenwald has great arguments, but he's into personal attack mode, questioning the motives of Obama since it inflames and it sells. The reason it sells is because of the GOP owned media that has made this environment. He's just contributing to their victory.


Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #1
LOL! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #2
GG didn't blame Obama for the ridiculous clown parade. Quantess Jan 2012 #13
Well he did kind of, in an oblique way. Quantess Jan 2012 #19
Better Believe is now a Paid Troll? Is That what you are accusing that poster of being? fascisthunter Jan 2012 #3
Uh, I believe the poster was referring to Greenwald, MineralMan Jan 2012 #10
Why not let the poster respond for him/herself unless they asked for your help? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #16
Umm....because I can reply to any post I wish. MineralMan Jan 2012 #23
So does the poster believe BBI IS Greenwald? And you know that? Autumn Jan 2012 #17
As far as I know, BBI is not Greenwald. MineralMan Jan 2012 #24
No, but I don't buy that the poster was talking Autumn Jan 2012 #29
It's my opinion. That's why I said, "I believe..." MineralMan Jan 2012 #30
It's irrelevant now. The jury Autumn Jan 2012 #33
The jury has ruled. I love the new DU3. MineralMan Jan 2012 #37
So do I. I love the transparency. Autumn Jan 2012 #53
I disagree with the jury censorship decision. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #44
They do stand. Anyone can see them. Autumn Jan 2012 #51
Of course FSogol can answer you.` MineralMan Jan 2012 #57
They can't answer in this thread muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #61
Ah, you're right. I forgot that. MineralMan Jan 2012 #62
And you don't have a problem with that sort of censorship? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #64
It's not my site. I participate here, but don't run it. MineralMan Jan 2012 #66
Contrary to your comment, FSogol is in fact prohibited from answering my question .... Better Believe It Jan 2012 #63
As I said above, I forgot that rule. MineralMan Jan 2012 #67
I've never had any interest in looking at your profile. Did you want me to look at it? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #70
That would be completely up to you. MineralMan Jan 2012 #71
ANNNNND the pedantic circle is complete!!! Kudos. In record time! Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2012 #42
That's how I interpreted it. eom City Lights Jan 2012 #28
Nailed it!... SidDithers Jan 2012 #4
And your comment is directed to me? Better Believe It Jan 2012 #18
Non-Union Shop. The peasants will do as told, or else. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #20
Ah ProSense Jan 2012 #5
Apparently, Obama made the GOP SUCK!!!! JoePhilly Jan 2012 #8
He ProSense Jan 2012 #11
I'll bring the bus around for him. Ikonoklast Jan 2012 #25
"... he has adopted so many of their party's defining beliefs." Quantess Jan 2012 #32
Can ProSense Jan 2012 #35
continuation of the tax cuts, Quantess Jan 2012 #41
So ProSense Jan 2012 #56
Same shit, different day n/t Spazito Jan 2012 #6
Oh, for pete's sake! MineralMan Jan 2012 #7
Fuck Greenwald surfdog Jan 2012 #9
Glenn Greenwald telling the truth and angering corporate fools everywhere. fasttense Jan 2012 #12
You're mistaken ProSense Jan 2012 #14
What if that was part of Obama's plan all along? Being centrist would push the RW into a looney bin. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #15
Actually I thought that was what I was being told back during the hostage negotiations.... Pholus Jan 2012 #22
Well, I have to give Greenwald a few points for the following: tabatha Jan 2012 #21
he is identifying a core dilemma getdown Jan 2012 #26
I haven't read any coherent rebuttals of Greenwald's article, just low-level personal attacks. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #27
Here: ProSense Jan 2012 #31
how can you deny getdown Jan 2012 #34
I ProSense Jan 2012 #38
you're doing it again getdown Jan 2012 #40
Wait ProSense Jan 2012 #46
you repeated getdown Jan 2012 #52
I feel the same way. I am older and remember Mojorabbit Jan 2012 #58
it is getdown Jan 2012 #60
Ignore: It's what's for dinner. theaocp Jan 2012 #36
Greenwald's articles are low-level attacks lacking coherence. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #45
see post #27. provis99 Jan 2012 #54
I might give this viewpoint some credit, except that LiberalAndProud Jan 2012 #39
you make good points getdown Jan 2012 #48
Greenwald has allied himself with the GOP in his attacks on Obama MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #43
see how crazy that is?!! getdown Jan 2012 #49
Nicely done. EFerrari Jan 2012 #55
ty getdown Jan 2012 #59
Not sure I agree with Glenn on this one, though he has a valid argument tpsbmam Jan 2012 #47
"started to sound like..."? getdown Jan 2012 #50
The section of Clinton's "My Life" describing the GOP asking him to delay running comes to mind... Pholus Jan 2012 #65
Great verbiage as always, but WRONG conclusions. freshwest Jan 2012 #68
doesn't the carjacker getdown Jan 2012 #69
So when people didn't vote in 2010 they "voted for the regressives' in 2010. Better Believe It Jan 2012 #72
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