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44. The 2004 Ohio vote was audited, and Kerry seems to have won. But that was probably the only state
Mon Apr 16, 2018, 03:30 PM
Apr 2018

that was audited, which means that we cannot be sure how the popular vote went, either. Many of our state elections cannot be audited.

This means that we can have no confidence in the announced winners of many state elections, and thus, no idea which of two candidates for an open seat won. Perhaps the Republicans haven't controlled anything except the balloting process for a very long time.

To repeat: we have no way of knowing who won any given election unless we can audit it, and we can only audit the ones using paper ballots, hand counted. The electoral process is rather like ordering a sweater we liked online, in green, and getting shipped a brown one in the wrong size, and then being told to shut up and like it.

Unless the people control the means by which the vote is collected and counted, it won't matter how many Democrats turn out, because the people who control the balloting will announce the results. We cannot audit the announced results. Many of us have no confidence left in the announced results of any state or national election unless the ballot process is a) paper ballots, b) hand counted.

The American people have been ill served especially by the press, who keep assuring us, even up to election night in 2016, that it's impossible to steal an American election. It's not impossible; it has certainly been done; all we lack are the specific numbers. As you recall, the press in 2015 and 2016 assured us, ad nauseam, that Mr. Trump's sexism was significant (true) and Mrs. Clinton's email server was important (false). None of them had more than a few carefully crafted words to say about the safety of that election, and we were assured that tampering with electronic voting machines was "unlikely." Bullfeathers.

We're neither a republic nor a democracy at the moment. We're a captive population. To the New York Times and the Washington Post I say: do your jobs. Tell us how safe our national and state elections are, and then face the large quantity of feathers that will be blown in your faces by outraged but uninformed ninnies. Your newspapers may close, but you will have gone down fighting.

GOP cant win the presidency without stealing it, likely havent "won" since 1968. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #1
we might have to give them 1984. unblock Apr 2018 #4
I agree lunatica Apr 2018 #5
1968 is arguable. dchill Apr 2018 #6
I would argue '68 was stolen as well wysimdnwyg Apr 2018 #22
There were others trc Apr 2018 #2
Precisely Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #3
Were those deals considered violations of the Constitution? lunatica Apr 2018 #8
President Johnson called Nixon's actions treason trc Apr 2018 #15
Thanks for the explanation. lunatica Apr 2018 #16
It goes even further than that... rwsanders Apr 2018 #60
That is horrible! lunatica Apr 2018 #61
++++ mahina Apr 2018 #17
I'm glad you mentioned Reagan...... people often forget that tidbit about Saint Ronnie groundloop Apr 2018 #31
So the last legitimately elected Republican was who... Bush 41 I guess? Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #49
yep, but even in that election there were shenanigans... trc Apr 2018 #52
Now I do. One of the most blatant appeals to collective racism ever. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #59
Just remember - every single network called Florida for Gore but one. Initech Apr 2018 #7
My recollection is similar, but they backed off quickly lunatica Apr 2018 #10
The 90,000 voters who happened to be black who were targeted to not vote Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #24
Ah yes. I forgot about her lunatica Apr 2018 #32
Electoral College modrepub Apr 2018 #9
Let the small states complain all they want lunatica Apr 2018 #12
I'm With You ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #39
That's right. Nitram Apr 2018 #11
2004 Freddie Apr 2018 #13
The 2004 Ohio vote was audited, and Kerry seems to have won. But that was probably the only state planetc Apr 2018 #44
So true!!!! mfcorey1 Apr 2018 #14
Our future tax dollars could be going to Putin lunatica Apr 2018 #18
This Sh!t has Also Cost the Dems THREE SCOTUS Seats! OMGWTF Apr 2018 #19
Yes. All part of the consequences and collateral damage lunatica Apr 2018 #23
the way these events are interpreted and spun so nothing gets done and it gets worse is directly certainot Apr 2018 #20
Well, the POTUS can't gut the government without a majority in Congress. Texin Apr 2018 #21
I think all you say is just the natural fallout of the stolen elections lunatica Apr 2018 #27
Its solely because of donor money period rainy Apr 2018 #25
I don't think it ought to be JUST up to us RandomAccess Apr 2018 #26
Well were the ones who elect them lunatica Apr 2018 #29
Merrick Garland, as well BadgerMom Apr 2018 #28
Merrick, but yes, very much stolen and a clear violation of the duty of the Senate. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #30
Thank you! BadgerMom Apr 2018 #41
Hes living proof of the direct results of those Presidential derailments lunatica Apr 2018 #33
Bush v. Gore was likely partly Russia, too, in funneling money to Ralph Nader and the Green Party. Anon-C Apr 2018 #34
don't foget Nixon and Reagan and their dirty bullshit during the campaign season also gopiscrap Apr 2018 #35
"Hey! Don't forget to mention us...! FailureToCommunicate Apr 2018 #36
An in each of those years the left left Green slime were involved....Nader in 2000. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #37
You can go back farther than that. Loubee Apr 2018 #38
Yes. lunatica Apr 2018 #40
I would count using russian agents to steal the election Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #46
It is treason lunatica Apr 2018 #53
That's why whenever I see posts saying "so and so should be the Dem candidate. S/he will lunamagica Apr 2018 #42
Exactly. lunatica Apr 2018 #43
Yeah, they stole the elections, but Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #45
I thought it was obviously true to anyone when lunatica Apr 2018 #55
Fourth enid602 Apr 2018 #47
What you say is true, but doesn't take into account all the down ballot races that were lost Amaryllis Apr 2018 #48
I wanted to limit it to Presidential election in this century lunatica Apr 2018 #50
You sure got all that right! Just saying, it was lots more than the presidency. Amaryllis Apr 2018 #51
That is a very good point. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #56
the last republican to legitimately win a first term was Dwight Eisenhower rurallib Apr 2018 #54
Well said. Remember November. Like our lives depend on it. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #57
Then there was the original October Surprise. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #58
You forgot Nixon's and Reagan's treachery. Otherwise, spot on. Hassler Apr 2018 #62
Voting is a good idea but it's not the whole answer garybeck Apr 2018 #63
Also Gore lost when the Ohio SOS computers were switched to RNC servers in Chattanooga Rene Apr 2018 #64
bookmarked for future reference AllaN01Bear Apr 2018 #65
Flipped votes in Ohio Orangeutan Apr 2018 #66
The question to ask the DNC Perseus Apr 2018 #67
I agree that the Democratic reps have failed also lunatica Apr 2018 #68
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