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Hassin Bin Sober

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4. Do we know what conversation occurred between the cops and the victims?

Mon Apr 16, 2018, 03:55 PM

Apr 2018

If the police told them to leave and they refused, then the arrest is inevitable. The cops aren’t going to say oh well we tried. So I don’t Blame the cops (in this instance).

I just had the police remove the utility company’s tree cutting people from my property last week. The cops didn’t arrest them. They ordered them to leave. Had they refused they would have been arrested.

That said, I think the men did the right thing by refusing the order to leave. It brought the issue to light (again). I think it was wonderful civil disobedience.

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If Starbucks manager called police and said two customers had just raped her [View all] EffieBlack Apr 2018 OP

What in the hell are you talking about? angstlessk Apr 2018 #1

She's talking about a VERY VALID point Stinky The Clown Apr 2018 #17

NOT a valid point, one is a felony, but sitting in a booth is not! angstlessk Apr 2018 #18

I would say dont waste your breath but I do it aLL The time Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #26

Absolutely...since when can one person send someone to jail when multiple people say Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #53

My husband and I were just talking about that iwillalwayswonderwhy Apr 2018 #2

Why was a white woman allowed to stay there, and not buy anything HipChick Apr 2018 #3

Because of ignorance and racism, of course iwillalwayswonderwhy Apr 2018 #11

If only for P.R. sake... lame54 Apr 2018 #14

UNCUFF? Why cuff them in the first place? angstlessk Apr 2018 #19

I agree, they should never have been cuffed iwillalwayswonderwhy Apr 2018 #34

It's not a police issue PERIOD MountCleaners Apr 2018 #22

Do we know what conversation occurred between the cops and the victims? Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #4

Did the police confirm that they were indeed trespassing? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #7

In my experience, you get two warnings. One from the owner and then an ultimatum from the police. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #16

In my Starbucks no one pays attention MountCleaners Apr 2018 #24

In one of my Starbucks (near me but not one I frequent) they removed the seating to .... Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #67

In my experience you don't get past the 911 operator. hunter Apr 2018 #38

Some establishments have a silent alarm crazycatlady Apr 2018 #50

I dont know what town of state you live in but a call here to non emergency ends up at 911 Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #66

I have to say, I am so sick of kissing Cops asses so as not to get tickets or what have you. I am a Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #55

Trespassing Corgigal Apr 2018 #5

I agree up to a point EffieBlack Apr 2018 #8

I read Corgigal Apr 2018 #9

They told the cops what they were doing there - waiting for a friend EffieBlack Apr 2018 #10

Depends on what the store owner wanted. Corgigal Apr 2018 #12

The police don't have to do what the store owner wants if they think no law was broken EffieBlack Apr 2018 #13

I don't know the laws Corgigal Apr 2018 #15

Once the cops are there the reasons are irrelevant and more suitable for civil courts Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #20

This is wrong EffieBlack Apr 2018 #21

It's not wrong, Corgigal Apr 2018 #37

What was the safety risk? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #39

No idea Corgigal Apr 2018 #41

It is wrong because thats not how it works EffieBlack Apr 2018 #76

What? Thats exactly what they do. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #69

Theyre required to respond, but they are not required to arrest anyone just because a store manager EffieBlack Apr 2018 #72

A person is trespassing any time the owner or responsible party tells them to leave and they refuse. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #74

In a private residence. Not in a public facility. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #78

Starbucks stores are private property. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #82

Not confused at all EffieBlack Apr 2018 #84

Ah no, Corgigal Apr 2018 #32

Ah yeah, thats exactly how it works. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #68

Im curious why the manager felt the need to call the police on these men EffieBlack Apr 2018 #73

Those are good questions. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #75

This is a chain of blame - the manager and cops are complicit with each other EffieBlack Apr 2018 #77

I once had police show up because I was waiting in a grocery store MountCleaners Apr 2018 #25

"police asked the men to leave three times but they refused" PoliticAverse Apr 2018 #79

Because the police chief, relying on what his officers told him, is an unimpeachable source EffieBlack Apr 2018 #80

Are witnesses claiming that police never asked the men to leave? n/t PoliticAverse Apr 2018 #81

And there you have it: Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #86

Arresting people is not their only duty EffieBlack Apr 2018 #87

Starbucks is a franchise...there is a manager...and people hang out buying little or nothing Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #57

"but they were released quickly" BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #33

+1 dalton99a Apr 2018 #36

Disgraceful and shows the cops are racist too. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #58

Your curious why they thought it rose to that level? HopeAgain Apr 2018 #27

Effie, normally, you're on point. Blue_true Apr 2018 #6

You surely don't mean to compare rape to loitering leftstreet Apr 2018 #23

you're reading it wrong. that's not how analogies work. unblock Apr 2018 #28

The police were obligated to assess the situation, if the two men OWNED the resteraunt everyone woul uponit7771 Apr 2018 #29

The may own it soon EffieBlack Apr 2018 #40

IKR ... Looks like the manager had a complaint of racism in the past if reporting in the other uponit7771 Apr 2018 #43

Yet, DUers jumped in to defend her EffieBlack Apr 2018 #56

Why am I not surprised. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #30

This post is stupid. KWR65 Apr 2018 #31

Beyond melman Apr 2018 #45

No it is not. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #60

Does anyone know how long had they been waiting in the Starbucks. jalan48 Apr 2018 #35

This is not equivalent to the Starbucks arrest matter. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #42

You missed a critical pount EffieBlack Apr 2018 #44

I addressed it. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #46

law and justice are two different things radius777 Apr 2018 #71

You're not reading very carefully. Ms. Toad Apr 2018 #83

They dont grant a license but they provide evidence of whether there actually is such a policy EffieBlack Apr 2018 #85

If you are asked to leave and you don't leave melman Apr 2018 #48

Apparently, they weren't asked to leave until the police arrived EffieBlack Apr 2018 #52

Really but what does it mean when only Black folks are asked to leave? Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #61

It means you have a valid civil case fescuerescue Apr 2018 #89

The cops behaved badly as they always seem to do with POC..any white person would have been Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #90

Not if you own the place uponit7771 Apr 2018 #63

Huh? Big difference in severity of scenarios blake2012 Apr 2018 #47

No, I get it. Customers told the police that the two men had done nothing...so why handcuff Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #51

I agree the situation was as racist as shit and this kind of stuff happens all the damn blake2012 Apr 2018 #54

I am outraged at this sort of racism...it is persistent and hard to fight. My daughter is Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #62

Why, that would depend if the subject was a person of color or white of course. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #49

White DUer kicked out of Starbucks jberryhill Apr 2018 #64

Well, that settled it EffieBlack Apr 2018 #65

Many ways to see it. Blue_true Apr 2018 #70

Rape and Trespassing are very different ExciteBike66 Apr 2018 #88