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In reply to the discussion: The Starbucks thing... [View all]X_Digger
(18,585 posts)376. Yes, it is. Because the property owner said so. Not because of the DA. n/t
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Fire the manager. Racism can not be tolerated. Until this happens, Starbucks is dead to me.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#157
One again I believe this was a failure of the police to properly assess the situation and
Kirk Lover
Apr 2018
#11
Then Starbucks needs to put up sings saying no loitering - whatever...because selective
Kirk Lover
Apr 2018
#73
Did they explain that to the guys? I'm sorry fellas but by law we have to escort you out of
Kirk Lover
Apr 2018
#84
I thought the rule of buying something was about homeless people coming in and making
demigoddess
Apr 2018
#201
This is what is so nauseating to me as a black woman every time I read the comments
tulipsandroses
Apr 2018
#355
especially since it most white people, if asked to leave under these circumstances, would scream
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#356
Why didn't they leave??? Why didn't Rosa Parks give up her seat? Why did the folks sitting a lunch
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#408
Are the Starbucks with the signs about restrooms only in black neighborhoods..? I sincerely
Kirk Lover
Apr 2018
#146
When black people tip over cars, set fires and run through the streets, its a riot.
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#244
Very true...this is about discrimination pure and simple. There is no justification for the behavior
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#420
"cops generally won't give the benefit of the doubt to people who do not obey them"
sdfernando
Apr 2018
#139
Cops also arrest Black people and kill them in situations where a white person would not suffer
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#413
"they did their job without excessive use of force and no physical injury to anyone involved.
BumRushDaShow
Apr 2018
#136
If the men owned the shop it wouldn't be trespassing, you're line of action is out of
uponit7771
Apr 2018
#147
"since they don't want to serve no niggers, you are supposed to get up and leave. "
NCTraveler
Apr 2018
#165
If the owner (or agent of - a manager, etc) asks you to leave and you do not, that is trespassing.
X_Digger
Apr 2018
#256
Some private property is also open to the public. Trespassing applies to both.
X_Digger
Apr 2018
#286
Being present after having been asked to leave- is trespassing. BY DEFINITION.
X_Digger
Apr 2018
#344
No such rule is needed. I know Title II law quite well, thanks. It doesn't negate property rights.
X_Digger
Apr 2018
#357
It's applicable because a DA refusing to charge has no bearing on whether a crime was committed.
X_Digger
Apr 2018
#372
I hope that you've at least gotten an education in trespassing, property rights, and Title II. n/t
X_Digger
Apr 2018
#379
I hope you understand how silly "whitesplaining" is when in denial of reality. nt
BumRushDaShow
Apr 2018
#380
I'm still waiting for what the operator tells you when you claim discrimination.
X_Digger
Apr 2018
#383
But if the manager asks you to leave because you are Black it violates the law as well.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#406
And you sue later, for a civil violation. Criminal v civil. One doesn't negate the other. n/t
X_Digger
Apr 2018
#414
Get real...that would never work...nope in the tradition of Rosa Parks and other brave
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#424
I have also been a manager for 20 of the 30+ years I worked in a federal agency before retiring
BumRushDaShow
Apr 2018
#431
So, if the store or coffee shop owner is racist and wants to remove POC, the police
Doodley
Apr 2018
#107
Pretty much. Here is how it works on a trespassing call- this will vary slightly by state.
Lee-Lee
Apr 2018
#276
So, if a shop has ten POC and ten whites and store owner tells police the POC are trespassing.
Doodley
Apr 2018
#463
Yep. That doesnt mean the POC cant seek remedies via the courts for civil rights violations
Lee-Lee
Apr 2018
#469
So managers can call the police, demand they toss people out of their shops for whatever reason they
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#472
I have been to Starbucks in Cleveland and ever seen such a sign...sound like bullshit to me.
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#415
They would have met their friend and no one would have heard a thing about it. nt.
NCTraveler
Apr 2018
#170
This incident has been blown out of proportion. The manager handled it terribly.
YOHABLO
Apr 2018
#4
Those two black men were one wrong move away from being shot, one wrong word, NOT blown
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#82
but that's exactly it, white people who are not disturbing anyone at starbucks don't get arrested.
unblock
Apr 2018
#5
other patrons said that there were white people there who had been there longer without ordering
unblock
Apr 2018
#45
I've seen white males harass and disturb people at Starbucks without purchase
IronLionZion
Apr 2018
#59
there are certainly some white people who would claim that if a black store owner tossed them out.
unblock
Apr 2018
#23
Social position enforcement. Especially if they "feel" they have very little power to begin with.
haele
Apr 2018
#209
A white woman said she got the code for the bathroom from an employee and used the
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#167
OK, if you say you've been asked to leave many times, that this shit happens all the time in...
Anon-C
Apr 2018
#109
If that happened to me one time, I think I would order something while I waited the next time.
Tipperary
Apr 2018
#137
Inside the US? If you have specific info about this I would be interested to know.
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#219
Starbucks already fired the manager, so IMO, that says something about how they assessed
hlthe2b
Apr 2018
#17
It is not at all clear they refused to leave. Taking them outside to discuss was step 1. Instead
hlthe2b
Apr 2018
#69
According to the news, both the starbucks employees and the cops asked them to leave.
ExciteBike66
Apr 2018
#92
there were different accounts over the weekend. Sounds like SB & police got their story together
hlthe2b
Apr 2018
#97
I expect police to be professionals and to question EVERY situation. Perhaps you can consider this
hlthe2b
Apr 2018
#181
And only the police are able to identify if a law was broken. They must prove refusal to leave.
hlthe2b
Apr 2018
#217
NO. not if they do not find a crime. They are NOT required to simply take the word of the manager.
hlthe2b
Apr 2018
#66
Every property owner, including public accommodations, has the right to have trespassers removed.
Ms. Toad
Apr 2018
#204
If because of a protected class membership, yes. But it does not negate the trespassing.
X_Digger
Apr 2018
#358
First you asserted that places subject to public accommodation aren't subject to trespassing laws...
X_Digger
Apr 2018
#373
Did you listen to the 911 recording & police scanner recordings that were posted?
BumRushDaShow
Apr 2018
#366
The police do not have to prove that the manager is engaging in racial discrimination
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#237
You get the police force you deserve. My community does not hire drones, but professionals
hlthe2b
Apr 2018
#487
you justify police who do not question and who you claim have no ability to discern... Obvioully the
hlthe2b
Apr 2018
#489
Like I said, you defend the kind of policing that involves no thinking whatsoever.
hlthe2b
Apr 2018
#491
WRONG: Starbucks manager leaves company after arrest of Black men sparks outrage
hlthe2b
Apr 2018
#74
No franchises with Starbucks , unless this changed in the last couple years
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#89
If a person is just hanging out without being an actual paying customer
democratisphere
Apr 2018
#27
Starbucks is a Seattle company with Seattle values.. this store did NOT follow their values..
samnsara
Apr 2018
#44
I think closing the store is a bit extreme. Firing the manager and staff involved? Yes.
Caliman73
Apr 2018
#145
The witnesses said none of this was done. They walked in and told the men to leave
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#308
My understanding is that they were not asked to leave by the manager, but I will check
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#306
You are going out of your way to give a benefit of the doubt to everyone but the two black men
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#134
a week ago an associate and i attended a meeting about 90 miles from home. we met at a starbucks to
dembotoz
Apr 2018
#57
Are you kidding me? Of course media reports White people being shot by police--it just almost
catbyte
Apr 2018
#105
But they weren't two Black kids being tossed out of Starbucks--they were two men
catbyte
Apr 2018
#125
I think it is wrong not to let someone use the bathroom...if she/he needs a bathroom, they need
CTyankee
Apr 2018
#85
It is not Starbuck Policy to have to buy something...I have sat in there for hours working
Demsrule86
Apr 2018
#154
I haven't had time to dig into the details on this yet, but a couple of my thoughts on it
xor
Apr 2018
#166
You need to do some research before claiming I am wrong about what was said.
ExciteBike66
Apr 2018
#394
You are ignoring the fact that the police already knew a crime was committed
ExciteBike66
Apr 2018
#428
I'm glad you corrected my mistake (which still has no bearing on anything, but thanks!)
ExciteBike66
Apr 2018
#466
I shouldn't have said it's for naught or not penetrating since I've learned a lot from you in this
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#451
I found the "loitering" ordinance from Philly: only applies to sidewalks and such passages.
ExciteBike66
Apr 2018
#319
I will pray that you don't ever end up on a jury deciding the fate of a cop
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#254
In that sense trespass means be told you are no longer permitted on the property
Lee-Lee
Apr 2018
#347
The police should've assessed the situation better, the men were never asked to leave
uponit7771
Apr 2018
#233
The company itself is condemning the company, and the manager has been terminated.
Crunchy Frog
Apr 2018
#225
+1, "It is also NOT company policy that you have to buy something to hang out." This i what I
uponit7771
Apr 2018
#232
"the store manager might have been a racist, but that is probably something we will never
betsuni
Apr 2018
#273
"I imagine Starbucks will attempt to make it up to these guys somehow." - There will be...
PoliticAverse
Apr 2018
#330
I can not tell you the number of times I have waited for friends at coffee shops before ordering
gollygee
Apr 2018
#294
The fact that so many people here not only see nothing wrong with what happened, but
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#332
Well, remember when the store clerk wouldn't show an expensive purse to Oprah?
Phentex
Apr 2018
#338
I don't believe this was an attempt to understand or to help you decide "whether" to condemn the
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#454
Since OP has threatened to ignore me, he probably won't read this, but I'm writing this for those
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#461
Perhaps because she feared that the other people who were doing the same thing would call her out
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#446
According to the former lawyer for the two men, she did ask them to leave.
ExciteBike66
Apr 2018
#462
Example of police officer who didn't think his only option was an arrest because someone complained
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#460
The Starbucks case also didn't have a violation of the law until the police officers decided,
EffieBlack
Apr 2018
#475