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ChoppinBroccoli

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30. You Do Realize..........
Wed Apr 18, 2018, 09:26 AM
Apr 2018

............that the Republicans haven't LEGITIMATELY won a Presidential election in 30 years, right? This is the thought that keeps coming back to me every time I hear hand-wringing Democrats declare that we need to make wholesale changes to our political philosophy or do this or do that in order to "keep up" with the Republicans. If you have to cheat to win, your philosophy is no good to begin with. We need to stop blaming ourselves and get to work changing the rules that allow them to cheat these elections.

Case in point: Wisconsin. Immediately after the election was over, we went into self-blaming mode, talking about how we could have "better reached Wisconsin voters," or how Hillary should have spent more time campaigning there, or how we could have changed our message, or whatever. Now it comes out that even Republicans have admitted that it was the voter suppression that swung Wisconsin.

I realize that introspection and self-blaming is kind of what we do as a Party, but we need to stop all that and start figuring out how to prevent these treasonous A-holes from STEALING elections. And it needs to start the MINUTE we take back the Congress in November. When we were in control in 2008, we were content to sit on our hands and in-fight about the perfect way to do things while getting nothing done. That can't happen this time around. Screw the appearance of bipartisanship and ram through an agenda that will ACTUALLY improve things. They certainly have no problem doing it to us for laws that make things WORSE.

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Hillary Clinton is a WINNER. She won the election. The conspiracy stole the Electoral College. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #1
I was in process of editing caveats in that regard blake2012 Apr 2018 #2
She was about to win the EC in a landslide when Comey stole the election and handed it to Trump. StevieM Apr 2018 #16
No. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #23
So did Al Gore until SCOTUS changed it... dajoki Apr 2018 #38
Six of the last seven presidents ran as outsiders marylandblue Apr 2018 #3
Yes. People want change other than when an incumbent is running blake2012 Apr 2018 #5
Biden, Warren, and probably now Sanders fall into the second. TDale313 Apr 2018 #4
Im thinking somebody like beto could be our dark horse candidate Tiggeroshii Apr 2018 #15
TAMMY DUCKWORTH!!! Squinch Apr 2018 #6
Very inspiring choice blake2012 Apr 2018 #7
I Wouldn't Say John Kerry Was A Foregone Conclusion ChoppinBroccoli Apr 2018 #8
December 2003 was a heady time for people who knew Howard DFW Apr 2018 #10
I was a Deaniac Cha Apr 2018 #20
I never met Kerry DFW Apr 2018 #21
Way Cool! Cha Apr 2018 #22
This was last October DFW Apr 2018 #25
Wonderful! Mahalo for that pic, DFW.. you Cha Apr 2018 #43
I Absolutely Loved Howard ChoppinBroccoli Apr 2018 #27
They all won after eight or more years of Republican rule. People wanted change. betsuni Apr 2018 #9
I think people will want some governing and political experiencebut not wizened veterans of DC blake2012 Apr 2018 #12
Do you know what that means? ecstatic Apr 2018 #11
Nothe opposition does that more than Dems blake2012 Apr 2018 #13
Here ya go leftstreet Apr 2018 #14
My First Choice PaulX2 Apr 2018 #19
I like this guy blake2012 Apr 2018 #31
Kamala Harris, Liberty Belle Apr 2018 #17
I like Tom Steyer. (eom) StevieM Apr 2018 #18
Clinton, Kerry, and Gore were successful Dem presidential candidates. milestogo Apr 2018 #24
EXACTLY. Ohiogal Apr 2018 #26
This. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #29
You Do Realize.......... ChoppinBroccoli Apr 2018 #30
I am a liberal/centrist Democrat blake2012 Apr 2018 #34
Obama was being talked about over four years before he ran. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #28
That may be. But few were discussing them as serious candidates blake2012 Apr 2018 #32
"That may be." NCTraveler Apr 2018 #37
One thing we tend to forget--the nation wasn't always in election mode in 1990's blake2012 Apr 2018 #39
If you are considering Carter a success, I cannot agree. He failed to strike a deal and get Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #33
He won and was in the White House blake2012 Apr 2018 #35
You have a point...he did win. He wasn't good at Washington politics. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #36
Was Obama better than Carter at Washington politics? oberliner Apr 2018 #41
Barack Obama gave the keynote speech at the 2004 DNC convention oberliner Apr 2018 #40
Radaryes. But as a bright, refreshing young politician that was a rising star blake2012 Apr 2018 #42
From CNN, November 2, 2006: "Poll: Obama now trails only Clinton on '08 list" oberliner Apr 2018 #44
Yep. He still heavily trailed presumptive nominee, Hillary at that point blake2012 Apr 2018 #45
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