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33. I readily admit that I used to love Bernie

Thu Apr 19, 2018, 06:50 AM

Apr 2018

I had listened to him weekly on Hartman's radio show, I knew his positions, and I was all in for him during the primary. Then, two things changed: Bernie's supporters, at least some, became more concerned with protecting their image of the man than they were listening to honest criticism....(that's still true today, even though many of his so called supporters were ready to throw him right under the bus once he endorsed Hillary) , and I learned a great deal about the way Bernie ran his campaign, particularly in regards to people of color, and I was dumbstruck and felt more foolish than I ever have over an affiliation with a politician.

I completely agree with your post...we have bigger fish to fry right now. Bernie is gong to do what Bernie wants to do in 2020, that's a long time from now. For now, we all should be focused on the fight for the 2018 midterms.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] NCTraveler Apr 2018 OP

Yeah, okay Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #1

Thank you for your support. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #3

As you might have noted Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #26

I must be a bit more optimistic. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #34

Jesus, the first response you get on this board is that? Fuck this Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #76

Bullshit Kentonio Apr 2018 #108

I agree with you, NCT. But... kstewart33 Apr 2018 #90

How is your "don't think" not an ad hominem? Cary Apr 2018 #67

How is it so? Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #71

Telling someone that no one cares about them isn't diverting to someone's person? Cary Apr 2018 #72

If you believe that it was in your opinion Sherman A1 Apr 2018 #105

I already have. Scoopster Apr 2018 #2

wow, such solid proof that you've laid this stuff aside and stopped attacking Sanders... JCanete Apr 2018 #39

Where is sanders magical voter revolution? Gothmog Apr 2018 #57

so fight for those proposals, or stand in the way goth? Nobody can make people insist on something JCanete Apr 2018 #62

Or try living in the real world and not lie about magical voter revolutions Gothmog Apr 2018 #64

+1000. ehrnst Apr 2018 #68

There is something magical about a turf that won't flush? Cary Apr 2018 #70

when did he do that Goth? Show me a link to him saying this. So has every proposal ever.These things JCanete Apr 2018 #73

JCanete, let's face it, Sanders has not performed. Hortensis Apr 2018 #91

of course you're not alone in that observation. It doesn't make it correct. Sanders presence has JCanete Apr 2018 #92

I gave Sanders his due for his role in 2016's outcome. Hortensis Apr 2018 #99

I am at the airport but I made you run away on this issue earlier Gothmog Apr 2018 #111

my claim that communism is now acceptible? Jesus, that's a gop a tactic as I've heard on these JCanete Apr 2018 #113

Do you ever tire of being wrong Gothmog Apr 2018 #129

you're welcome to bother proving anybody ever said anything you are pretending was said. JCanete Apr 2018 #130

Again, Sanders lied and justified his platform based on a magical voter revolution Gothmog Apr 2018 #131

so, just looking at the first 2 to start, you are entirely mischaracterizing both. JCanete Apr 2018 #134

Sanders lied to his supporters about his proposals being feasible in the real world Gothmog Apr 2018 #136

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Apr 2018 #142

Goth, I can't go anywhere with this. Instead of taking anything I said and actually addressing it, JCanete Apr 2018 #143

The fact that you are in denial about the premise of the Sanders platform is not my fault Gothmog Apr 2018 #144

I didn't say you don't have a point of view.You clearly have that. But I"m tired of trying to JCanete Apr 2018 #145

The concept that you think that you have made valid arguments amuses me Gothmog Apr 2018 #147

So you feel you are the arbiter of who espouses "progressive ideals" Cary Apr 2018 #69

Well by all means feel free to define them for me yourself. Its my version of progressive ideals. JCanete Apr 2018 #74

At the moment we are besieged by fascists Cary Apr 2018 #75

And not just Democratic but in some cases one must vote for the rightwing democrat Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #77

Some will, some won't, so what? Cary Apr 2018 #85

Degree of radicalism/extremism can probably be quantified, Hortensis Apr 2018 #93

It takes all kinds. Cary Apr 2018 #96

I do. I have. How is this relevant to what we're talking about? nt JCanete Apr 2018 #87

Come on. Cary Apr 2018 #88

The original conversation was about what is magical talk and thinking...not about JCanete Apr 2018 #89

Rise above Cary Apr 2018 #94

Cary, is your interest ever in having a conversation? Or do you think there are points involved. JCanete Apr 2018 #95

Nice ad hominem Cary Apr 2018 #97

how is yours not? JCanete Apr 2018 #98

I added.to my answer Cary Apr 2018 #100

The same way you can get into a room with a bunch of people who all agree that JCanete Apr 2018 #101

I see Cary Apr 2018 #102

I never said that. If you at any point have something to teach, maybe I'll learn from it. JCanete Apr 2018 #103

You aren't listening Cary Apr 2018 #104

And I think you're the one playing the game, so that's where we are. For my part, JCanete Apr 2018 #106

Unfortunately you just reaffirm my theory Cary Apr 2018 #109

You are literally attacking my motives. Your attack goes to my character, which IS out of bounds for JCanete Apr 2018 #110

I gave you my honest assessment Cary Apr 2018 #112

why I push back against your baseless assesment? And if I do then that's more proof that you were JCanete Apr 2018 #114

I told you why you push back Cary Apr 2018 #115

please tell me you're just fucking with me already. To literally JCanete Apr 2018 #118

Your words are not the words I expect to hear from an honest broker Cary Apr 2018 #123

Especially one who accuses everyone else of "playing games." (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #141

Yes he is always about how others are at fault for not toeing his line Cary Apr 2018 #146

Bernie gets more criticism here on DU panader0 Apr 2018 #4

Nonsense. n/t FSogol Apr 2018 #6

Can you link to the forum you are talking about? NCTraveler Apr 2018 #7

The forum is DU panader0 Apr 2018 #8

Massive change from your first comment. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #9

He said from a certain group and then later some posters. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #21

"...at the peril of the Democratic Party."? Hortensis Apr 2018 #116

This really has me scratching my head. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #11

Well, there's a surprise...nt SidDithers Apr 2018 #47

WAit, how in the FUCK can the person who said what is in that link be allowed to post HERE? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author panader0 Apr 2018 #139

Agree completely to his clout, as many previous Democrats noted we need both wings to fly karynnj Apr 2018 #13

You shouldnt completely agree with a blatant lie. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #14

The way I parse it he is not lying on anything karynnj Apr 2018 #15

The lie is blatant. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #16

I am missing something -what is the lie. karynnj Apr 2018 #17

Exactly, what is the "blatant" lie? panader0 Apr 2018 #18

You just can't talk to some people. I've tried many times to point out rainin Apr 2018 #28

Spot on outside of your last sentence. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #32

Ha! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #22

But her emails. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #23

Wow...that explains so much! Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #29

If we lose to the russian KGB again I will know why Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #82

Back in the DU primary wars, I proposed the idea of promoting your preferred candidates w/o bashing FSogol Apr 2018 #5

I have issues with Bernie. Blue_true Apr 2018 #10

This is how we win 4now Apr 2018 #12

This is how we win. IF we live our words. Hortensis Apr 2018 #19

Well, that's good RandomAccess Apr 2018 #20

lol RandiFan1290 Apr 2018 #24

... progressoid Apr 2018 #51

You're a better person than I am. Tavarious Jackson Apr 2018 #25

I am watching the local Our Revolution attack an Asian candidate due to race Gothmog Apr 2018 #58

Not surprised at all. nt Tavarious Jackson Apr 2018 #60

Bernie, along with Jill Stein, are largely respondsible for drumpf residing democratisphere Apr 2018 #27

Bullshit. More Clinton supporters defected to McCainin 2008 than Sanders supporters to Trump Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #36

Apathy gave them drumpf. Pathetic! democratisphere Apr 2018 #37

Yes it was a dark day when President McCain was elected in 2008 emulatorloo Apr 2018 #42

Tens of millions of Americans made individual choices in both elections Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #46

Trump won the election because of around 100,000 votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania emulatorloo Apr 2018 #49

Clearly it's not water under the bridge. progressoid Apr 2018 #53

I am saying it should be water under the bridge. I think it may be in the real world. emulatorloo Apr 2018 #55

Right. IRL it's not a thing. progressoid Apr 2018 #56

Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof radical noodle Apr 2018 #61

yes, but what is that proof of? Is it proof that somehow Sanders turned voters who would JCanete Apr 2018 #63

So half as many Sanders voters went with the GOP as did 2008 Clinton voters. And this... Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #65

It is estimated that something like 12% of Bernie voters voted for Trump . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #121

Your narrative might be compelling radical noodle Apr 2018 #124

Right, and so will the great majority of Bernie supporters . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #125

I don't see any non-Democrats radical noodle Apr 2018 #126

If Bernie had won the nomination . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #127

No he would not have radical noodle Apr 2018 #128

bullshit devoid of evidence. No excuses for that. nt JCanete Apr 2018 #40

Simple math makes it very easy to understand. democratisphere Apr 2018 #43

The math does, it just doesn't back up your claim that Sanders had a negative impact JCanete Apr 2018 #44

Makes you wonder where certain folks fall on the whole "hanging chad" thing. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #83

I hate the word "righteous" HopeAgain Apr 2018 #30

Thank you for your thoughts about the use of a word. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #31

problem is that if that's your usage then even in your post about how you are not JCanete Apr 2018 #41

I readily admit that I used to love Bernie Docreed2003 Apr 2018 #33

I was a delegate to the national convention Gothmog Apr 2018 #59

+1 Cary Apr 2018 #66

And for the most likely democrat to win their demographic. Which might mean a rightwing democrat. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #84

In Texas we support the Democrat on the ballot Gothmog Apr 2018 #150

Let me help you with that a little, you forgot the . Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #151

Please no offense meant... N_E_1 for Tennis Apr 2018 #35

No offense taken. Thank you kindly. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #52

Bully for you. alarimer Apr 2018 #38

I will say one thing. I have not seen lies posted about Sen.Sanders they would disappear in a New Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #48

righteous critiques ornotna Apr 2018 #45

Noble, but I will continue fighting to rescue my party from Bernie and his Bros. ashtonelijah Apr 2018 #50

It Is Unfortunate How So Many Do Not Understand Why Millions Upon Millions Of Americans PaulX2 Apr 2018 #86

Perhaps people don't understand lapucelle Apr 2018 #132

That's fine, many of us will feel like we finally do have a party that represents us again. Kentonio Apr 2018 #133

Ah, the magic of having an old white man wagging his finger on your behalf. Great again, are we? ashtonelijah Apr 2018 #148

Careful, trying to insult fellow DU members by insinuating they are Republicans is against TOS. Kentonio Apr 2018 #149

Wanting a demagogue who hates the Democratic Party to hijack the party ashtonelijah Apr 2018 #152

when Bernie confirms the 2020 run his acolytes are pressing BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #54

Righteous? BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #78

The 1% Wins Again - When Will They Get Tire Of Winning? PaulX2 Apr 2018 #80

Yallow...nt SidDithers Apr 2018 #119

Channel your energy in a positive Democratic direction. democratisphere Apr 2018 #81

I have come to the point when I see a post with Bernie Sanders in the tittle kacekwl Apr 2018 #107

Good! nt Raine Apr 2018 #117

Plus a thousand nolabels Apr 2018 #120

I guess, then, we should dispense with primaries altogether . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #122

Yeah, the press says Sanders is the front runner: establishment, anointed, betsuni Apr 2018 #138

"Righteous" DiverDave Apr 2018 #135

Take care. Have a safe trip. nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #137