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131. I agree. They should have used their discretion when they learned of the circumstances.

Reply to EffieBlack (Reply #129)

Fri Apr 20, 2018, 01:46 PM

Apr 2018

Just ie police use their discretion in arrests every day.

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After watching the Starbuck's Tapes. [View all] busterbrown Apr 2018 OP

We should not look at it as being humiliating treestar Apr 2018 #1

Unjustified arrests can be humiliating and are at the least a theft of your time. PoliticAverse Apr 2018 #4

Couldn't disagree more! busterbrown Apr 2018 #5

Then, how should we look at it? MineralMan Apr 2018 #30

I agree with you and the person directly above Dem2 Apr 2018 #45

A liberal is a conservative who has been arrested. A conserv is a liberal who has been mugged. Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #38

The 'liberal is a conservative who...' is a great line. Stonepounder Apr 2018 #122

It sounds terribly humiliating to me PatSeg Apr 2018 #46

that makes it even MORE humiliating. along with righteous indignation blake2012 Apr 2018 #51

Their white friend went OFF. Can you imagine if either of these men had spoken to the cops like that EffieBlack Apr 2018 #58

Indeed blake2012 Apr 2018 #60

But arrests don't have to be carried out in handcuffs. Important people are frequently pnwmom Apr 2018 #69

You're the only one who has a point treestar Apr 2018 #77

The Police chief has announced new policies, but hasn't said what they were. pnwmom Apr 2018 #85

The Chief may not have known this (really?) but surely the cops on the beat knew it EffieBlack Apr 2018 #129

I agree. They should have used their discretion when they learned of the circumstances. pnwmom Apr 2018 #131

Seems incredibly insensitive to think being publicly handcuffed is not humiliating. Enoki33 Apr 2018 #124

Thats a little presumptuous, isnt it? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #74

I'm saying don't let yourself feel like a guilty person treestar Apr 2018 #78

The "stigma" is imposed by society BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #94

I cannot imagine. cwydro Apr 2018 #128

Of all the apologists and 'Blue line' remarks I've seen on this topic GoneOffShore Apr 2018 #79

Why? treestar Apr 2018 #83

I read the whole thing. You're making excuses for the cops. GoneOffShore Apr 2018 #84

This attitude is niave as the ideal gas law. GeorgeHayduke Apr 2018 #101

I agree arrest doesn't equal guilt but it is humiliating. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #103

Of course it's humiliating mcar Apr 2018 #104

Nice post, Chief Gates. Iggo Apr 2018 #110

I think the coming lawsuit will state otherwise. JohnnyRingo Apr 2018 #125

I get the point you are making whopis01 Apr 2018 #127

It's like saying that segregation isn't humiliating since it doesn't mean blacks are really inferior EffieBlack Apr 2018 #130

As a manager, did you ever ask anyone to leave your store? PoliticAverse Apr 2018 #2

Yea i did? busterbrown Apr 2018 #6

I was a store manager and had to ask people to leave more than once. But never for waiting for Neema Apr 2018 #43

"No, why don't you tell us?" PatSeg Apr 2018 #49

Oh the entitlement people love to lord over lowly retail workers and other service professionals. Neema Apr 2018 #96

I've worked in retails and restaurants PatSeg Apr 2018 #116

Did you tell him to Mendocino Apr 2018 #65

LOL! Apparently he beat me to it. Neema Apr 2018 #95

Did you ever ask them to leave... paleotn Apr 2018 #54

I never did. And I don't even think she can use fear, irrational or not, as an excuse. It was Neema Apr 2018 #97

In this case... the police had no choice. CherokeeDem Apr 2018 #3

The police certainly did have a choice EffieBlack Apr 2018 #8

Well Stated! busterbrown Apr 2018 #11

That police district has the highest "stop and frisk" rate against blacks in the entire city BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #13

+1. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2018 #40

Thank you. As a former business owner in PA, you are correct. appleannie1943 Apr 2018 #44

Yes, well said PatSeg Apr 2018 #52

Not to mention embarrassing publicity, internal investigations and expensive settlements EffieBlack Apr 2018 #61

Exactly PatSeg Apr 2018 #72

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2018 #81

Except conditions of entry dont have to be written or posted Lee-Lee Apr 2018 #114

They don't HAVE to be written or posted, but they DO have to actually exist and EffieBlack Apr 2018 #117

Well, no Lee-Lee Apr 2018 #132

You simply don't know what you're talking about but are so certain in your ignorance EffieBlack Apr 2018 #134

Posted, not posted, it doesn't matter. The manager called the cops within minutes of these two men Neema Apr 2018 #120

Indeed Lucky Luciano Apr 2018 #126

They had a choice n/t malaise Apr 2018 #16

They had to come investigate gollygee Apr 2018 #20

They had many choices, including the poor one they made. MineralMan Apr 2018 #32

This is a perfect illustration of systemic or institutional racism at work EffieBlack Apr 2018 #53

None so blind as they who would not see The Polack MSgt Apr 2018 #62

Check out her post #8 above--it is just as good. nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #92

I love BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #111

Yes, it is. I'm saddened that so many don't seem MineralMan Apr 2018 #64

Why not blame the store manager? treestar Apr 2018 #88

Read my post again EffieBlack Apr 2018 #100

+ a brazillion! nt tblue37 Apr 2018 #90

Brilliantly explained, Cha Apr 2018 #107

Are they being disciplined? treestar Apr 2018 #86

"They have a private property owner who wants people gone who are not going" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #108

But why not simply escort them out of the store? Not cuffed. LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #66

I believe the cops asked them to leave and they refused. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #68

But then their friend told the cops theyd all go somewhere else but the cops saiid it was too late EffieBlack Apr 2018 #75

This again? mcar Apr 2018 #105

From what I understand the manager was fired, and the CEO didn't waste anytime and met with the still_one Apr 2018 #7

First Reports were that she was ordered busterbrown Apr 2018 #9

The only thing I heard was that she left the company, and it was based on a "mutual decision" by the still_one Apr 2018 #17

According to other reports, that particular liberalhistorian Apr 2018 #39

Saying that is true mercuryblues Apr 2018 #67

I'd hire her for that. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #89

The reports are contradictory BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #15

The only thing I heard was that she is no longer working their by mutual decision, whatever that still_one Apr 2018 #18

The latest was the Starbuck's spox saying the "mutual decision" thing was erroneous BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #33

appreciate the update still_one Apr 2018 #36

Sure BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #42

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #10

We had a restaurant in the store.... busterbrown Apr 2018 #12

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2018 #14

They can't politely ask? gollygee Apr 2018 #21

The republican Chicago talking point ha? pwb Apr 2018 #22

You answered your own question and doubts. busterbrown Apr 2018 #23

And this Starbucks is located in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in the city BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #29

What? BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #24

Your Last Paragraph? busterbrown Apr 2018 #26

Wow. BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #35

I'm so disappointed in some of the comments on this thread Tavarious Jackson Apr 2018 #19

just answered the 1 busterbrown Apr 2018 #25

Yes. If we expect the entire country to have.. Tavarious Jackson Apr 2018 #27

Yep. nt SunSeeker Apr 2018 #56

Cops are poorly trained. pwb Apr 2018 #31

Agree.. busterbrown Apr 2018 #34

You know what though? BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #41

Compared to the rest of the industrialized world.... paleotn Apr 2018 #59

Sounds like a generalization. treestar Apr 2018 #91

I'm a democrat not a progressive. And we do realize what we see with our own eyes. pwb Apr 2018 #98

You would have fascinating stories to tell. I am all ears if you wanna Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #28

It's like that and worse for us but not just occasionally. Tavarious Jackson Apr 2018 #47

50% Delightful...50% Horrible n/t busterbrown Apr 2018 #37

The CEO claims ejbr Apr 2018 #48

Bulshit EffieBlack Apr 2018 #57

+1 n/t ejbr Apr 2018 #73

And this happened elmac Apr 2018 #50

And, well when I linked to that, I also found this HopeAgain Apr 2018 #63

They weren't just arrested. They were jailed for hours. They feared for their lives while in jail. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #55

Only after the store refused to press charges. They never should have waited so long pnwmom Apr 2018 #70

Yep. nt SunSeeker Apr 2018 #71

He DA said there wasnt enough evidence to charge them EffieBlack Apr 2018 #76

I heard somewhere that the "evidence" they needed was for someone to come pnwmom Apr 2018 #87

The cops showed no intelligence in how they handled this. S.E. TN Liberal Apr 2018 #80

+1, they had the opportunity to ask relevant questions and choose not to uponit7771 Apr 2018 #82

That's a bit much to give the cops treestar Apr 2018 #93

Yet you think the manager should have anyone they want arrested and jailed just because they say so? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #109

Here is the thing- they were not arrested just because yeh manager said so Lee-Lee Apr 2018 #115

Oh, please EffieBlack Apr 2018 #118

You need to read this BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #123

And this law certainly applies- but not how you think Lee-Lee Apr 2018 #133

In response BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #135

Here is info that relates to the city FAIR PRACTICES ORDINANCE BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #113

Thank for posting sarah FAILIN Apr 2018 #121

I am beyond appalled UpInArms Apr 2018 #99

I've lived in America for a decade. Will never accept the racism I see here. Will always stand up Doodley Apr 2018 #102

Manager identified by news media: dalton99a Apr 2018 #106

The cops showed at least as much racism as did the manager. Orsino Apr 2018 #112

Ding ding ding. What Orsino said ... EffieBlack Apr 2018 #119

Kick EffieBlack Apr 2018 #136