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mr_lebowski

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8. I blame the profit-driven media and their completely deceptive trumpeting of a NON-STORY ...

Sat Apr 21, 2018, 07:27 PM

Apr 2018

What Comey actually told Congress was pretty damn innocuous if you actually go back and read the letter.

And if she'd just won, nobody would've given the tiniest of shits about what he did. Consider that for a minute sometime.

It never should have been blown into the breathless headlines it was, harped about for days in the media ... given the ACTUAL CONTENT of the letter and REALITY of the situation at hand.

If we didn't have a purely profit-driven media, that not only craved eyeballs and clicks for the short-term when the letter was sent, but also smelled mega-bucks coming their way for 4 years if Dump was to actually win, they wouldn't have misrepresented the nature of Comey's letter the way they did.

If Comey hadn't done what he did, Guiliani would've made sure that the media 'found out', and it very easily could've ended up looking even worse for Hillary ... then the fucking media would've 'agonized' endlessly about whether the FBI was 'in the tank for Hillary' and hence 'looked the other way' in the investigations of the email server and the CF.

IMHO, it's time to stop with the blame Comey bullshit and blame the PROPER people ... the media, the GOP, Guiliani, the NY FBI field office who got the laptop and elected to blab to Rudy and play politics with it, and NON-VOTERS who stayed home.

FACT: Nobody knows what would've happened if Comey had 'said nothing' as so many have blithely suggested. It ain't that fucking simple as 'he says nothing, and it never become a story' ... there were people who were DETERMINED to MAKE IT a story, no matter what Comey said or didn't say. They are (among) the proper ones to blame here, IMHO.

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Hillary a weak candidate? [View all] SHRED Apr 2018 OP

Hell no, she wasn't! mcar Apr 2018 #1

K&R'd Eko Apr 2018 #2

She would have won in a landslide had it not been for James Comey and the out-of-control FBI. StevieM Apr 2018 #3

I blame the profit-driven media and their completely deceptive trumpeting of a NON-STORY ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #8

I see your point, but only Comey could allow the message to be delivered with the prestige StevieM Apr 2018 #12

I agree with you 1000%. I've always said that if the media had called Trump's lies "a lie" politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #101

Yep, Comey was the main reason. BigmanPigman Apr 2018 #34

She was only up 5 points when Comey reopened the case krawhitham Apr 2018 #180

It was more like 6 points. But still, Trump had made recent gains, which also means two things: StevieM Apr 2018 #182

When the opposition actually lies, cheats and steals and HRC won the popular democratisphere Apr 2018 #4

And a hugely biased media. Donnie got 80% of airtime and 80% of what Hillary got was scandal unblock Apr 2018 #5

*This* nt brer cat Apr 2018 #51

*It May Not Be Good for America, but It's Damn Good for CBS!* VOX Apr 2018 #134

German businesses found out too late that Hitler was not so good for business.... unblock Apr 2018 #150

Those military contracts must have looked like a sure thing in 1940... VOX Apr 2018 #166

I blame the media almost entirely. Their coverage was a disgrace to their profession. yardwork Apr 2018 #139

I wonder how many could have stood up to what she did... CatMor Apr 2018 #6

It took an army to steal the Oval Office from her. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #7

I would add the fucking cable nooze 24/7 emails and puffing Cha Apr 2018 #9

K & R "They were never going to cover Hillary Clintons plans"" Wwcd Apr 2018 #10

Very good read! NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #17

Like "conservatives" are not going to lie about and smear anyone we nominate... Cary Apr 2018 #11

EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR OVER A YEAR! Hekate Apr 2018 #13

I've got to respectfully disagree with this sentiment. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #14

I agree as well. Nedsdag Apr 2018 #15

So its a good thing she didn't win anyway, Cuz she'd have gotten nothing done anyway with the GOP?! Wwcd Apr 2018 #21

I wouldn't go that far at all, myself. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #26

I know.. what a bunch of negative Cha Apr 2018 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Apr 2018 #16

You're wrong by two and a half months. She clinched in early June. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers Apr 2018 #19

There was no viable path for Sanders to win the delegate vote count in March mythology Apr 2018 #22

However, note the consequences of it dragging out like that. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Apr 2018 #31

Please Cut the Crap.. Hillary touched Millions of Democratic Voters.. Cha Apr 2018 #98

By about 4 M over bernie. boston bean Apr 2018 #120

Yeah.. make up their own scenarios.. Cha Apr 2018 #121

Nice to see you Cha. Yep I will never forget it. And I won't let anyone else either. boston bean Apr 2018 #123

Me neither, boston bean.. Cha Apr 2018 #124

+1000, Yup, there has been nonstop rewriting of history. R B Garr Apr 2018 #145

I respectfully call BULL.. you are FLAGRANTLY ignoring REALITY Cha Apr 2018 #20

Well said. zentrum Apr 2018 #23

Her campaign was strong. Her platform was everything America now claims they want in the next Pres. Wwcd Apr 2018 #27

Campaign and campaigner are different things BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #149

She wrote the policy platform. She campaigned on that. That was all in her speeches Wwcd Apr 2018 #151

Exactly. But many zentrum Apr 2018 #161

Your initial distinction was spot on BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #173

Disagree Me. Apr 2018 #35

In the fiction section. Cha Apr 2018 #36

... Me. Apr 2018 #38

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #42

I don't think she was too heavy a favorite in early 2007. She made herself a big favorite by StevieM Apr 2018 #43

I think you have to go back further. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #47

I don't think it is fair to say that she was the presumptive nominee. StevieM Apr 2018 #50

Again, given all her advantages, she should never have been caught flat-footed by anybody Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #53

She fucking had 3m more votes than trumpass. Stopin acting like she was some horrid candidate. boston bean Apr 2018 #122

Honest criticism means it has to be true. betsuni Apr 2018 #125

We've been 'splained about the Democratic Candidate on DU before ehrnst Apr 2018 #162

I Think You're Invested In Your Contention Me. Apr 2018 #52

Yeah, that was the one eighteen years ago she might have covered the spread. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #55

Due Respect Me. Apr 2018 #58

And please don't take it as being okay with Comey, Putin, Fox, Facebook Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #62

And You Are Entitled To Your Opinion Me. Apr 2018 #66

Nah.. Millions knew she was the best candidate.. it was Cha Apr 2018 #99

"She is a flawed candidate" was a popular right wing talking point. lapucelle Apr 2018 #165

I think she was seen as the superior candidate. But the people were tricked into believing StevieM Apr 2018 #171

You should spend more time looking into the politics of New York - especially.... George II Apr 2018 #100

Senate races in NY were a lot more competitive back then. StevieM Apr 2018 #147

I can see it bothers anyone who's into the reality of Cha Apr 2018 #69

In all frankness Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #40

Well, she built up a huge lead in the first 9 months of 2007. Contrary to popular belief, StevieM Apr 2018 #46

Never should have happened, though. Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #49

You forget that sexism is likely stronger than racism as well. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #97

I'm still pissed that druidity33 Apr 2018 #128

Given that the American people were persuaded that she somehow broke the law and got away with it, StevieM Apr 2018 #44

Recent developments with Comey aside Pope George Ringo II Apr 2018 #45

Hillary, as the candidate in ultimate control of her campaign has taken responsibility for her loss. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #67

I find it amazing that the female candidate lapucelle Apr 2018 #167

Who here, or anywhere - certainly not me - admonished Hillary to apologize? For what? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #174

I was talking about the press and media. N/T lapucelle Apr 2018 #184

I also respectfully BlueMTexpat Apr 2018 #114

If Trump was the worst major party presidential candidate in American history, betsuni Apr 2018 #130

"she barely won the 2016 nomination" this is false on its face uponit7771 Apr 2018 #135

Perfectly put. Kentonio Apr 2018 #140

We voted for her. We wanted her. But it's over, now. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #24

No, it's not "over".. the DNC is suing.. Cha Apr 2018 #25

K & R Cha. The organized injustice done to HRC & to the Dem Party WILL BE made right. Wwcd Apr 2018 #30

Bloodly well right, Wwcd.. My theory on why Cha Apr 2018 #33

No, It's Not Over Me. Apr 2018 #37

It is So Not Over! Excellent points about Cha Apr 2018 #59

I Do Believe It Will Be In The Forseeable Future Me. Apr 2018 #60

I hope so! Cha Apr 2018 #76

Glad to see this is finally happening... too bad the lawsuit can't overturn the election... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #72

I think it took awhile to get their very important Cha Apr 2018 #82

I agree... indeed, I see a lot of upside potential. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #85

K&R. Well said, Cha lunamagica Apr 2018 #91

Gracias, lunamagica! Cha Apr 2018 #94

... lunamagica Apr 2018 #103

That makes my day apkhgp Apr 2018 #32

Yeah. This! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #39

More conservative than I'd have preferred, but hands down THE most qualified Mc Mike Apr 2018 #41

Who the hell is Stewart Safran? oberliner Apr 2018 #48

Makes ya wonder, Dream Girl Apr 2018 #159

I voted for HIllary, but . .. . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #54

+1 BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #56

Wrong. Clinton: "I go back over my own shortcomings and the mistakes we made. betsuni Apr 2018 #57

She has taken responsibility for them, but many here act . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #61

That's because many of her so-called mistakes aren't true. betsuni Apr 2018 #63

Oh, right, she ran a perfect campaign -- I keep fogetting . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #64

And there it is. Saying that not all criticisms of Hillary are true means I think she's perfect. betsuni Apr 2018 #65

You referred to her "so-called errors" . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #68

What were her errors? betsuni Apr 2018 #74

One of them . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #77

She made plenty of campaign stops and did plenty of rallies. StevieM Apr 2018 #81

And again I say . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #90

You originally said, "Hillary would be the first political candidate in U.S. political history ... betsuni Apr 2018 #95

Actually, you didnt say that and keep changing your responses... bettyellen Apr 2018 #170

I think the certain parts of the electorate who thought HRC was elitist are the ones betsuni Apr 2018 #89

Baloney.. ".. that she was elitist among certain Cha Apr 2018 #111

And aside from that, she WAS (is) charismatic. She's been the most admired woman in the world.... George II Apr 2018 #143

That's right, George.. excellent point. I had forgotten Cha Apr 2018 #144

Obama, along with most educated people the U.S. are called "elitists" ehrnst Apr 2018 #129

Nonsense mcar Apr 2018 #141

She was the most "charismatic" candidate among all of the Democrats, she had substance..... George II Apr 2018 #142

My favorite is the claim that she didn't campaign in Pennsylvania, a state that she visited StevieM Apr 2018 #79

Oh yeah, it was Pennsylvania, not Wisconsin. betsuni Apr 2018 #86

many people want to downplay or ignore Putin and Comey's Role in the election JI7 Apr 2018 #88

So true & why is that?.. It's still reality whether they acknowledge Cha Apr 2018 #96

Top Republican ADMITS Trump Won Wisconsin by Keeping Democrats From Voting Cha Apr 2018 #127

IIRC, she stuck to the big urban areas of PA DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #132

Her commercials ran everywhere. They ran in all parts of the state. StevieM Apr 2018 #148

No, I know she ran many ads DeminPennswoods Apr 2018 #189

As the Candidate she never went to Wisconsin forthemiddle Apr 2018 #131

See post #86 -- I meant Pennsylvania, not Wisconsin. betsuni Apr 2018 #133

Nope.. Hillary took responsibility but it was still Cha Apr 2018 #73

Again, I readily concede she has taken responsibility for her own mistakes . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #75

I still don't understand your argument. betsuni Apr 2018 #83

Nobody said anything about any damn guns being held Cha Apr 2018 #84

"...many here act.." That's not reality, that's your perception. Don't be so vested in a uponit7771 Apr 2018 #138

BULL.. she's not escaping any responsibility.. but it was still Cha Apr 2018 #70

No, she's not . . . markpkessinger Apr 2018 #71

No she's not perfect but, I appreciate her supporters who are calling Cha Apr 2018 #78

What do you mean by "her supporters"? She's not running for anything. betsuni Apr 2018 #80

Hillary certainly DOES deserve a lot of credit for that. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #87

Again, "no responsibility" is your strawman it's not what anyone is saying uponit7771 Apr 2018 #137

Oh FFS! eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2018 #116

No one is saying she was perfect, that's your strawman. Its obvious people are saying she ... uponit7771 Apr 2018 #136

she was the victim of the largest disinformation campaign literally in the world's history Takket Apr 2018 #92

Hyperbole much? misanthrope Apr 2018 #109

It's certainly the Biggest Disinformation campaign Cha Apr 2018 #113

I am still blaming Comey regardless. sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #93

And me lunamagica Apr 2018 #105

And sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #107

Yes, they do! lunamagica Apr 2018 #178

Thot I saved the email, but I dint. Did some diggin' and found what sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #118

That's a really great article, deserving of it's own thread. Thanks for sharing! lunamagica Apr 2018 #177

Being 'driven' since 08 November 2016. sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #185

TRUE! And let's not forget the fact that it doesn't matter if you have the BEST lunamagica Apr 2018 #102

Mahalo for the important Reminder, Luna! And, the Cha Apr 2018 #104

I saw this and have gladness! sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #108

Yes! I finally read the whole article that the DNC Cha Apr 2018 #110

Na z'drovje, Cha! To your well being! sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #115

Cheers to you, sprinkleen! Cha Apr 2018 #117

Yeah! sprinkleeninow Apr 2018 #119

+1 betsuni Apr 2018 #106

Exactly! eom BlueMTexpat Apr 2018 #112

How many times did she have to testify before congress Soxfan58 Apr 2018 #126

There is a yuuuuge factor missing from this list, R B Garr Apr 2018 #146

All true. Now what. Can we move on now? Dream Girl Apr 2018 #152

According to some psychologists there are 5 steps in accepting loss. jalan48 Apr 2018 #153

Seems like some maybe looping through the stages... Dream Girl Apr 2018 #154

Yes, two steps forward then one back. jalan48 Apr 2018 #172

In denial of what? betsuni Apr 2018 #155

Loss jalan48 Apr 2018 #156

But the Revolution is under way, isn't it? betsuni Apr 2018 #157

We shall see. I think focusing on the upcoming elections is the key. jalan48 Apr 2018 #158

What happened to the 2016 Democratic party candidate will happen to the next one. betsuni Apr 2018 #160

Yes, it seems to keep happening. Al Gore actually won both the popular vote and the electoral jalan48 Apr 2018 #164

Until Bernie supporters stop denigrating one of the most successful American woman politicians Fla Dem Apr 2018 #169

Why does it bother you so much? This is a political Cha Apr 2018 #188

Clinton was not a weak candidate Gothmog Apr 2018 #163

Hillary Clinton had the 2nd most popular votes in the history of US Presidential elections. Fla Dem Apr 2018 #168

Wow! Great post! R B Garr Apr 2018 #175

and she lost to a corrupt racist who brags about assaulting women krawhitham Apr 2018 #181

The election was stolen by traitors and enemies of the United States. Nitram Apr 2018 #176

She was a candidate the GOP had beat down for 30 years, making her a WEAK CANDIDATE krawhitham Apr 2018 #179

And just who do you think would have beaten Trump? Sanders? Biden? Fla Dem Apr 2018 #183

You're not facing reality. Cha Apr 2018 #187

The 70-30 number is not realistic. The problem with your argument is that it ignores the fact StevieM Apr 2018 #191

To say nothing of outright vote tampering. sandensea Apr 2018 #186

Enough already. Instead of beating a dead horse, prepare for the next race. Don't mourn, organize jg10003 Apr 2018 #190