And please don't take it as being okay with Comey, Putin, Fox, Facebook (Reply #62)

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62. And please don't take it as being okay with Comey, Putin, Fox, Facebook

Cambridge Analytica, fraud, Wikileaks, and the rest of the usual suspects. But I do think she had underlying flaws getting people to believe she was the superior candidate.

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Hillary a weak candidate? [View all]	SHRED	Apr 2018	OP
Hell no, she wasn't!	mcar	Apr 2018	#1
K&R'd	Eko	Apr 2018	#2
She would have won in a landslide had it not been for James Comey and the out-of-control FBI.	StevieM	Apr 2018	#3
I blame the profit-driven media and their completely deceptive trumpeting of a NON-STORY ...	mr_lebowski	Apr 2018	#8
I see your point, but only Comey could allow the message to be delivered with the prestige	StevieM	Apr 2018	#12
I agree with you 1000%. I've always said that if the media had called Trump's lies "a lie"	politicaljunkie41910	Apr 2018	#101
Yep, Comey was the main reason.	BigmanPigman	Apr 2018	#34
She was only up 5 points when Comey reopened the case	krawhitham	Apr 2018	#180
It was more like 6 points. But still, Trump had made recent gains, which also means two things:	StevieM	Apr 2018	#182
When the opposition actually lies, cheats and steals and HRC won the popular	democratisphere	Apr 2018	#4
And a hugely biased media. Donnie got 80% of airtime and 80% of what Hillary got was scandal	unblock	Apr 2018	#5
This nt	brer cat	Apr 2018	#51
It May Not Be Good for America, but It's Damn Good for CBS!	VOX	Apr 2018	#134
German businesses found out too late that Hitler was not so good for business....	unblock	Apr 2018	#150
Those military contracts must have looked like a sure thing in 1940...	VOX	Apr 2018	#166
I blame the media almost entirely. Their coverage was a disgrace to their profession.	yardwork	Apr 2018	#139
I wonder how many could have stood up to what she did...	CatMor	Apr 2018	#6
It took an army to steal the Oval Office from her. (nt)	ehrnst	Apr 2018	#7
I would add the fucking cable nooze 24/7 emails and puffing	Cha	Apr 2018	#9
K & R "They were never going to cover Hillary Clintons plans""	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#10
Very good read!	NastyRiffraff	Apr 2018	#17
Like "conservatives" are not going to lie about and smear anyone we nominate...	Cary	Apr 2018	#11
EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR OVER A YEAR!	Hekate	Apr 2018	#13
I've got to respectfully disagree with this sentiment.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#14
I agree as well.	Nedsdag	Apr 2018	#15
So its a good thing she didn't win anyway, Cuz she'd have gotten nothing done anyway with the GOP?!	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#21
I wouldn't go that far at all, myself.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#26
I know.. what a bunch of negative	Cha	Apr 2018	#29
This message was self-deleted by its author	SidDithers	Apr 2018	#16
You're wrong by two and a half months. She clinched in early June.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	SidDithers	Apr 2018	#19
There was no viable path for Sanders to win the delegate vote count in March	mythology	Apr 2018	#22
However, note the consequences of it dragging out like that.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#28
This message was self-deleted by its author	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#31
Please Cut the Crap.. Hillary touched Millions of Democratic Voters..	Cha	Apr 2018	#98
By about 4 M over bernie.	boston bean	Apr 2018	#120
Yeah.. make up their own scenarios..	Cha	Apr 2018	#121
Nice to see you Cha. Yep I will never forget it. And I won't let anyone else either.	boston bean	Apr 2018	#123
Me neither, boston bean..	Cha	Apr 2018	#124
+1000, Yup, there has been nonstop rewriting of history.	R B Garr	Apr 2018	#145
I respectfully call BULL.. you are FLAGRANTLY ignoring REALITY	Cha	Apr 2018	#20
Well said.	zentrum	Apr 2018	#23
Her campaign was strong. Her platform was everything America now claims they want in the next Pres.	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#27
Campaign and campaigner are different things	BeyondGeography	Apr 2018	#149
She wrote the policy platform. She campaigned on that. That was all in her speeches	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#151
Exactly. But many	zentrum	Apr 2018	#161
Your initial distinction was spot on	BeyondGeography	Apr 2018	#173
Disagree	Me.	Apr 2018	#35
In the fiction section.	Cha	Apr 2018	#36
...	Me.	Apr 2018	#38
Post removed	Post removed	Apr 2018	#42
I don't think she was too heavy a favorite in early 2007. She made herself a big favorite by	StevieM	Apr 2018	#43
I think you have to go back further.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#47
I don't think it is fair to say that she was the presumptive nominee.	StevieM	Apr 2018	#50
Again, given all her advantages, she should never have been caught flat-footed by anybody	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#53
She fucking had 3m more votes than trumpass. Stopin acting like she was some horrid candidate.	boston bean	Apr 2018	#122
Honest criticism means it has to be true.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#125
We've been 'splained about the Democratic Candidate on DU before	ehrnst	Apr 2018	#162
I Think You're Invested In Your Contention	Me.	Apr 2018	#52
Yeah, that was the one eighteen years ago she might have covered the spread.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#55
Due Respect	Me.	Apr 2018	#58
And please don't take it as being okay with Comey, Putin, Fox, Facebook	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#62
And You Are Entitled To Your Opinion	Me.	Apr 2018	#66
Nah.. Millions knew she was the best candidate.. it was	Cha	Apr 2018	#99
"She is a flawed candidate" was a popular right wing talking point.	lapucelle	Apr 2018	#165
I think she was seen as the superior candidate. But the people were tricked into believing	StevieM	Apr 2018	#171
You should spend more time looking into the politics of New York - especially....	George II	Apr 2018	#100
Senate races in NY were a lot more competitive back then.	StevieM	Apr 2018	#147
I can see it bothers anyone who's into the reality of	Cha	Apr 2018	#69
In all frankness	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#40
Well, she built up a huge lead in the first 9 months of 2007. Contrary to popular belief,	StevieM	Apr 2018	#46
Never should have happened, though.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#49
You forget that sexism is likely stronger than racism as well.	Caliman73	Apr 2018	#97
I'm still pissed that	druidity33	Apr 2018	#128
Given that the American people were persuaded that she somehow broke the law and got away with it,	StevieM	Apr 2018	#44
Recent developments with Comey aside	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#45
Hillary, as the candidate in ultimate control of her campaign has taken responsibility for her loss.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2018	#67
I find it amazing that the female candidate	lapucelle	Apr 2018	#167
Who here, or anywhere - certainly not me - admonished Hillary to apologize? For what?	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2018	#174
I was talking about the press and media. N/T	lapucelle	Apr 2018	#184
I also respectfully	BlueMTexpat	Apr 2018	#114
If Trump was the worst major party presidential candidate in American history,	betsuni	Apr 2018	#130
"she barely won the 2016 nomination" this is false on its face	uponit7771	Apr 2018	#135
Perfectly put.	Kentonio	Apr 2018	#140
We voted for her. We wanted her. But it's over, now. nt	Honeycombe8	Apr 2018	#24
No, it's not "over".. the DNC is suing..	Cha	Apr 2018	#25
K & R Cha. The organized injustice done to HRC & to the Dem Party WILL BE made right.	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#30
Bloodly well right, Wwcd.. My theory on why	Cha	Apr 2018	#33
No, It's Not Over	Me.	Apr 2018	#37
It is So Not Over! Excellent points about	Cha	Apr 2018	#59
I Do Believe It Will Be In The Forseeable Future	Me.	Apr 2018	#60
I hope so!	Cha	Apr 2018	#76
Glad to see this is finally happening... too bad the lawsuit can't overturn the election...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2018	#72
I think it took awhile to get their very important	Cha	Apr 2018	#82
I agree... indeed, I see a lot of upside potential.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2018	#85
K&R. Well said, Cha	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#91
Gracias, lunamagica!	Cha	Apr 2018	#94
...	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#103
That makes my day	apkhgp	Apr 2018	#32
Yeah. This!	BobTheSubgenius	Apr 2018	#39
More conservative than I'd have preferred, but hands down THE most qualified	Mc Mike	Apr 2018	#41
Who the hell is Stewart Safran?	oberliner	Apr 2018	#48
Makes ya wonder,	Dream Girl	Apr 2018	#159
I voted for HIllary, but . .. .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#54
+1	BeyondGeography	Apr 2018	#56
Wrong. Clinton: "I go back over my own shortcomings and the mistakes we made.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#57
She has taken responsibility for them, but many here act . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#61
That's because many of her so-called mistakes aren't true.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#63
Oh, right, she ran a perfect campaign -- I keep fogetting . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#64
And there it is. Saying that not all criticisms of Hillary are true means I think she's perfect.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#65
You referred to her "so-called errors" . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#68
What were her errors?	betsuni	Apr 2018	#74
One of them . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#77
She made plenty of campaign stops and did plenty of rallies.	StevieM	Apr 2018	#81
And again I say . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#90
You originally said, "Hillary would be the first political candidate in U.S. political history ...	betsuni	Apr 2018	#95
Actually, you didnt say that and keep changing your responses...	bettyellen	Apr 2018	#170
I think the certain parts of the electorate who thought HRC was elitist are the ones	betsuni	Apr 2018	#89
Baloney.. ".. that she was elitist among certain	Cha	Apr 2018	#111
And aside from that, she WAS (is) charismatic. She's been the most admired woman in the world....	George II	Apr 2018	#143
That's right, George.. excellent point. I had forgotten	Cha	Apr 2018	#144
Obama, along with most educated people the U.S. are called "elitists"	ehrnst	Apr 2018	#129
Nonsense	mcar	Apr 2018	#141
She was the most "charismatic" candidate among all of the Democrats, she had substance.....	George II	Apr 2018	#142
My favorite is the claim that she didn't campaign in Pennsylvania, a state that she visited	StevieM	Apr 2018	#79
Oh yeah, it was Pennsylvania, not Wisconsin.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#86
many people want to downplay or ignore Putin and Comey's Role in the election	JI7	Apr 2018	#88
So true & why is that?.. It's still reality whether they acknowledge	Cha	Apr 2018	#96
Top Republican ADMITS Trump Won Wisconsin by Keeping Democrats From Voting	Cha	Apr 2018	#127
IIRC, she stuck to the big urban areas of PA	DeminPennswoods	Apr 2018	#132
Her commercials ran everywhere. They ran in all parts of the state.	StevieM	Apr 2018	#148
No, I know she ran many ads	DeminPennswoods	Apr 2018	#189
As the Candidate she never went to Wisconsin	forthemiddle	Apr 2018	#131
See post #86 -- I meant Pennsylvania, not Wisconsin.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#133
Nope.. Hillary took responsibility but it was still	Cha	Apr 2018	#73
Again, I readily concede she has taken responsibility for her own mistakes . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#75
I still don't understand your argument.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#83
Nobody said anything about any damn guns being held	Cha	Apr 2018	#84
"...many here act.." That's not reality, that's your perception. Don't be so vested in a	uponit7771	Apr 2018	#138
BULL.. she's not escaping any responsibility.. but it was still	Cha	Apr 2018	#70
No, she's not . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#71
No she's not perfect but, I appreciate her supporters who are calling	Cha	Apr 2018	#78
What do you mean by "her supporters"? She's not running for anything.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#80
Hillary certainly DOES deserve a lot of credit for that.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2018	#87
Again, "no responsibility" is your strawman it's not what anyone is saying	uponit7771	Apr 2018	#137
Oh FFS! eom	BlueMTexpat	Apr 2018	#116
No one is saying she was perfect, that's your strawman. Its obvious people are saying she ...	uponit7771	Apr 2018	#136
she was the victim of the largest disinformation campaign literally in the world's history	Takket	Apr 2018	#92
Hyperbole much?	misanthrope	Apr 2018	#109
It's certainly the Biggest Disinformation campaign	Cha	Apr 2018	#113
I am still blaming Comey regardless.	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#93
And me	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#105
And	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#107
Yes, they do!	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#178
Thot I saved the email, but I dint. Did some diggin' and found what	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#118
That's a really great article, deserving of it's own thread. Thanks for sharing!	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#177
Being 'driven' since 08 November 2016.	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#185
TRUE! And let's not forget the fact that it doesn't matter if you have the BEST	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#102
Mahalo for the important Reminder, Luna! And, the	Cha	Apr 2018	#104
I saw this and have gladness!	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#108
Yes! I finally read the whole article that the DNC	Cha	Apr 2018	#110
Na z'drovje, Cha! To your well being!	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#115
Cheers to you, sprinkleen!	Cha	Apr 2018	#117
Yeah!	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#119
+1	betsuni	Apr 2018	#106
Exactly! eom	BlueMTexpat	Apr 2018	#112
How many times did she have to testify before congress	Soxfan58	Apr 2018	#126
There is a yuuuuge factor missing from this list,	R B Garr	Apr 2018	#146
All true. Now what. Can we move on now?	Dream Girl	Apr 2018	#152
According to some psychologists there are 5 steps in accepting loss.	jalan48	Apr 2018	#153
Seems like some maybe looping through the stages...	Dream Girl	Apr 2018	#154
Yes, two steps forward then one back.	jalan48	Apr 2018	#172
In denial of what?	betsuni	Apr 2018	#155
Loss	jalan48	Apr 2018	#156
But the Revolution is under way, isn't it?	betsuni	Apr 2018	#157
We shall see. I think focusing on the upcoming elections is the key.	jalan48	Apr 2018	#158
What happened to the 2016 Democratic party candidate will happen to the next one.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#160
Yes, it seems to keep happening. Al Gore actually won both the popular vote and the electoral	jalan48	Apr 2018	#164
Until Bernie supporters stop denigrating one of the most successful American woman politicians	Fla Dem	Apr 2018	#169
Why does it bother you so much? This is a political	Cha	Apr 2018	#188
Clinton was not a weak candidate	Gothmog	Apr 2018	#163
Hillary Clinton had the 2nd most popular votes in the history of US Presidential elections.	Fla Dem	Apr 2018	#168
Wow! Great post!	R B Garr	Apr 2018	#175
and she lost to a corrupt racist who brags about assaulting women	krawhitham	Apr 2018	#181
The election was stolen by traitors and enemies of the United States.	Nitram	Apr 2018	#176
She was a candidate the GOP had beat down for 30 years, making her a WEAK CANDIDATE	krawhitham	Apr 2018	#179
And just who do you think would have beaten Trump? Sanders? Biden?	Fla Dem	Apr 2018	#183
You're not facing reality.	Cha	Apr 2018	#187
The 70-30 number is not realistic. The problem with your argument is that it ignores the fact	StevieM	Apr 2018	#191
To say nothing of outright vote tampering.	sandensea	Apr 2018	#186
Enough already. Instead of beating a dead horse, prepare for the next race. Don't mourn, organize	jg10003	Apr 2018	#190

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