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MineralMan

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13. Yes. Legal firearms often kill innocent people.

Reply to workinclasszero (Original post)

Sun Apr 22, 2018, 11:04 AM

Apr 2018

There are stories similar to this one that appear shockingly frequently in local news. I can't imagine how anyone deals with shooting their own baby, or having another child find their gun and shooting a sibling. I truly cannot imagine it.

While it might seem tempting to call this woman in Ohio stupid or some other epithet, the horribly tragic incident was a predictable accident. Predictable, because many, many firearms owners and permit carriers don't really know how to handle firearm safely. They took a course, maybe, if it was required in their state, but a short course on firearms safety doesn't mean that the lessons are retained.

So, this woman, while staying in a hotel, pulled out her handgun for some reason and was "handling it." It "went off." The reality is that she was handling it unsafely, and she killed her baby. She now gets to spend the rest of her life dealing with that. It wasn't an "accident" that killed her baby. It was her lack of training and knowledge of firearms safety that killed her baby.

She might have thought she had that firearm to protect her and her child. That's probably why she had a handgun. She was quite obviously wrong in what she thought. How she will deal with this, I cannot imagine. It's yet another incident that joins so many other, similar incidents. When will people learn?

When will people understand?

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Ohio mom with concealed carry permit accidentally shoots and kills 2-year-old daughter [View all] workinclasszero Apr 2018 OP

Fuck guns. Fuck gun owners. Fuck concealed carry. Stinky The Clown Apr 2018 #1

Poor baby never had a chance workinclasszero Apr 2018 #4

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. Squinch Apr 2018 #47

Thanks! Stinky The Clown Apr 2018 #59

Thank you. Stinky The Clown Apr 2018 #58

About that "debillitating pain." BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #90

... Aristus Apr 2018 #2

I just think every gun owner should go on the record after a situation like this occurs and just Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #3

Their Answer Is Yes SoCalMusicLover Apr 2018 #26

But so many times their hands are not the ones that are cold and dead. Arkansas Granny Apr 2018 #64

I read an article years ago interviewing a family whose child was accidentally killed by a gun meadowlark5 Apr 2018 #55

I mean rational people...not people who think everything that happens is orchestrated by a Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #68

Reminds me of the father who shot through the closet door louis-t Apr 2018 #69

People who love their guns more than they love their children Crunchy Frog Apr 2018 #82

They would just blame the mother treestar Apr 2018 #77

My gun-humper brother Bettie Apr 2018 #101

Love, Karma konnie Apr 2018 #5

Feel safer now? hatrack Apr 2018 #6

deserves to lose her guns Angry Dragon Apr 2018 #7

Deserves to be put in jail for a long time...nt SidDithers Apr 2018 #11

Not In America SoCalMusicLover Apr 2018 #27

The more guns we proliferate into society... Major Nikon Apr 2018 #15

Now imagine the NRA's wet dream of every teacher in America armed to the teeth workinclasszero Apr 2018 #74

Some won't be accidental Major Nikon Apr 2018 #76

True workinclasszero Apr 2018 #81

Agreed Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #109

Jail her... SidDithers Apr 2018 #8

This! +1 Amimnoch Apr 2018 #10

Well said! old guy Apr 2018 #22

What exactly would jailing her accomplish though? She just lost her child due to her cstanleytech Apr 2018 #35

Why shouldn't she be jailed?... SidDithers Apr 2018 #41

+1000 Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #48

Further... SidDithers Apr 2018 #53

You jail her as an example to others so they don't do what she did and kill a child TeamPooka Apr 2018 #66

There must be felony conviction even if suspension of sentence. moriah Apr 2018 #70

"Because she needs her gun rights removed. " I am not arguing with you there or really anywhere cstanleytech Apr 2018 #87

You didn't provide a reason why she shouldn't be jailed... SidDithers Apr 2018 #88

Message? Even suspended-imposition on those conditions would send one. moriah Apr 2018 #89

Hmmm not all drunk drivers go to jail for killing someone though. cstanleytech Apr 2018 #92

So thus obviously we should never punish anybody ever mythology Apr 2018 #96

Now you are putting words in my mouth. cstanleytech Apr 2018 #107

They were prosecuted and sentenced. Mariana Apr 2018 #108

I'm not arguing for her to not be prosecuted either I simply asked what would it accomplish to send cstanleytech Apr 2018 #112

It'll prevent her from killing anyone else. Mariana Apr 2018 #114

And I asked you several times why she shouldn't be put in jail... SidDithers Apr 2018 #115

Thats because I do not see what it would accomplish. cstanleytech Apr 2018 #117

It would take an irresponsible gun owner off the streets... SidDithers Apr 2018 #118

There is a difference though between someone that makes a choice to drink and then drive cstanleytech Apr 2018 #119

But handling her firearm isn't all she did... SidDithers Apr 2018 #120

"Are you seriously arguing that those actions are legal, unless she was impaired?" cstanleytech Apr 2018 #121

We need to start putting real teeth in our gun laws. Crunchy Frog Apr 2018 #86

Odd you seem unaware of what jailing someone for negligent endangerment of a child would accomplish. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #123

She should also never be allowed to own a gun again. calimary Apr 2018 #61

It's negligent homicide & child endangerment, at a minimum. CaptainTruth Apr 2018 #93

If we applied what the NRA does to drunk driving, we would have had, DAMM. Drunks Against brewens Apr 2018 #9

guns don't kill people. Thoughts & prayers Motley13 Apr 2018 #12

The police statement threw in the obligatory Ts and Ps. JDC Apr 2018 #17

Yes. Legal firearms often kill innocent people. MineralMan Apr 2018 #13

Agreed. We don't even know if she was a nutter. She might GreenPartyVoter Apr 2018 #34

And we also don't know if she malaise Apr 2018 #42

Also true. Without more information, we only know that GreenPartyVoter Apr 2018 #65

Thats true too workinclasszero Apr 2018 #75

She will do no time.... RhodeIslandOne Apr 2018 #14

She violated all the rules in gun ownership... Historic NY Apr 2018 #16

but, but, but onethatcares Apr 2018 #23

Actually the FIRST rule about gun ownership is just one word: Stinky The Clown Apr 2018 #60

1. Always assume the gun is loaded. Always. Even if you just got done emptying it. workinclasszero Apr 2018 #79

I hope the woman suffers a lifetime of emotional torment Kaleva Apr 2018 #18

Tie Her Tubes SoCalMusicLover Apr 2018 #30

Unfortunately, way too many gun-lovers think they are careful, but they aren't. Hoyt Apr 2018 #62

"I hope the woman suffers a lifetime of emotional torment." Comatose Sphagetti Apr 2018 #111

That is what any cold blooded killer of a defenseless child deserves. Kaleva Apr 2018 #122

I'm amazed! With an omnibearing spherical radius, how many 'accidental discharges" hit the chest! TheBlackAdder Apr 2018 #19

They Don't Count The Ones That Go Into The Floor PaulX2 Apr 2018 #21

When you look all about, the small area of a child is a minute surface area, less than .25%. TheBlackAdder Apr 2018 #25

"Accidently went off " see guns DO kill people Fullduplexxx Apr 2018 #20

Just won the internet, Fullduplexxx! calimary Apr 2018 #67

Would this count as a Darwin Award? lapfog_1 Apr 2018 #24

No, She Would Have Had To Kill Herself SoCalMusicLover Apr 2018 #32

Hey that's her god given right lame54 Apr 2018 #29

This is a danger to everyone walking around in the "concealed carry" USA. ooky Apr 2018 #31

Missouri has constitutional carry...no training required workinclasszero Apr 2018 #83

The gun accidently killed the kid? No. Mommy did it. Iggo Apr 2018 #33

Anyone who keeps a round in the chamber had poor weapons training. Or none. pwb Apr 2018 #36

At least she didnt have an abortion. VOX Apr 2018 #37

Pro lifers only care about embryos and fetuses in the womb. Fla Dem Apr 2018 #46

Bingo workinclasszero Apr 2018 #84

Lock her up as an example to other idiotic parents. nt USALiberal Apr 2018 #38

Abso-fucking-lutely...nt SidDithers Apr 2018 #43

And as an example to other gun owners. Control your shit or lose your shit. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2018 #49

Response from the NRA... S.E. TN Liberal Apr 2018 #39

What Was She Doing Playing With A Gun Me. Apr 2018 #40

This can no longer be described as accidental. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #45

Yep. That's not an accident. That's negligence. (n/t) Iggo Apr 2018 #50

She claims she dropped it and it went off. LisaL Apr 2018 #73

Neglince. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #105

Thoughts and prayers Freethinker65 Apr 2018 #51

Police said the woman was handling the gun when it accidentally went off mokawanis Apr 2018 #52

What will Wayne LaPierre say about this? guillaumeb Apr 2018 #54

That the two year old is a crisis actor workinclasszero Apr 2018 #85

A perfect explanation. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #116

Sad to read this. Snackshack Apr 2018 #56

Legally owned or not, she shouldn't have been handling it in the presence of a child rocktivity Apr 2018 #57

She claims she dropped the gun and it went off. LisaL Apr 2018 #72

Dropped it where -- in her lap? On the floor? rocktivity Apr 2018 #91

no accident. KG Apr 2018 #63

Manslaughter. Pure and simple. No excuses. Prison, and no more custody of any other kids. lindysalsagal Apr 2018 #71

No such thing as a "gun accident". Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Crunchy Frog Apr 2018 #78

Arm the 2 year olds. They need to defend themselves blake2012 Apr 2018 #80

You know they've discussed that option at the NRA: At least give them squirt guns as soon as lindysalsagal Apr 2018 #100

Keep your home safe, don't own a gun. SunSeeker Apr 2018 #94

This is sad. And so unnecessary. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #95

What is so thoroughly maddening about this situation, to me, Jake Stern Apr 2018 #97

Jail her. It is called manslaughter...involuntary. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #98

One more kid that will never go to school. John Fante Apr 2018 #99

I think she did it on purpose. ecstatic Apr 2018 #102

She needs to go to prison for at least a decade, hopefully more. Exotica Apr 2018 #103

Just think how much worse everything could have been if Mom hadn't been armed! struggle4progress Apr 2018 #104

another family successfully defended! Takket Apr 2018 #106

There are so many non lethal means that people can use to protect themselves. Blue_true Apr 2018 #110

How easy is it for a gun to accidentally "go off" - sincere question nadine_mn Apr 2018 #113