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Sun Apr 22, 2018, 10:56 AM

zentrum (9,608 posts)

161. Exactly. But many

…can't make that distinction. Platform is not the same as the "campaigner". Not arguing with her message. Arguing with her political instincts. Did she go to those three all important electoral college states? No. And that's a "campaigner" issue.

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191 replies	Author	Time	Post
Hillary a weak candidate? [View all]	SHRED	Apr 2018	OP
Hell no, she wasn't!	mcar	Apr 2018	#1
K&R'd	Eko	Apr 2018	#2
She would have won in a landslide had it not been for James Comey and the out-of-control FBI.	StevieM	Apr 2018	#3
I blame the profit-driven media and their completely deceptive trumpeting of a NON-STORY ...	mr_lebowski	Apr 2018	#8
I see your point, but only Comey could allow the message to be delivered with the prestige	StevieM	Apr 2018	#12
I agree with you 1000%. I've always said that if the media had called Trump's lies "a lie"	politicaljunkie41910	Apr 2018	#101
Yep, Comey was the main reason.	BigmanPigman	Apr 2018	#34
She was only up 5 points when Comey reopened the case	krawhitham	Apr 2018	#180
It was more like 6 points. But still, Trump had made recent gains, which also means two things:	StevieM	Apr 2018	#182
When the opposition actually lies, cheats and steals and HRC won the popular	democratisphere	Apr 2018	#4
And a hugely biased media. Donnie got 80% of airtime and 80% of what Hillary got was scandal	unblock	Apr 2018	#5
This nt	brer cat	Apr 2018	#51
It May Not Be Good for America, but It's Damn Good for CBS!	VOX	Apr 2018	#134
German businesses found out too late that Hitler was not so good for business....	unblock	Apr 2018	#150
Those military contracts must have looked like a sure thing in 1940...	VOX	Apr 2018	#166
I blame the media almost entirely. Their coverage was a disgrace to their profession.	yardwork	Apr 2018	#139
I wonder how many could have stood up to what she did...	CatMor	Apr 2018	#6
It took an army to steal the Oval Office from her. (nt)	ehrnst	Apr 2018	#7
I would add the fucking cable nooze 24/7 emails and puffing	Cha	Apr 2018	#9
K & R "They were never going to cover Hillary Clintons plans""	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#10
Very good read!	NastyRiffraff	Apr 2018	#17
Like "conservatives" are not going to lie about and smear anyone we nominate...	Cary	Apr 2018	#11
EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING FOR OVER A YEAR!	Hekate	Apr 2018	#13
I've got to respectfully disagree with this sentiment.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#14
I agree as well.	Nedsdag	Apr 2018	#15
So its a good thing she didn't win anyway, Cuz she'd have gotten nothing done anyway with the GOP?!	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#21
I wouldn't go that far at all, myself.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#26
I know.. what a bunch of negative	Cha	Apr 2018	#29
This message was self-deleted by its author	SidDithers	Apr 2018	#16
You're wrong by two and a half months. She clinched in early June.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	SidDithers	Apr 2018	#19
There was no viable path for Sanders to win the delegate vote count in March	mythology	Apr 2018	#22
However, note the consequences of it dragging out like that.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#28
This message was self-deleted by its author	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#31
Please Cut the Crap.. Hillary touched Millions of Democratic Voters..	Cha	Apr 2018	#98
By about 4 M over bernie.	boston bean	Apr 2018	#120
Yeah.. make up their own scenarios..	Cha	Apr 2018	#121
Nice to see you Cha. Yep I will never forget it. And I won't let anyone else either.	boston bean	Apr 2018	#123
Me neither, boston bean..	Cha	Apr 2018	#124
+1000, Yup, there has been nonstop rewriting of history.	R B Garr	Apr 2018	#145
I respectfully call BULL.. you are FLAGRANTLY ignoring REALITY	Cha	Apr 2018	#20
Well said.	zentrum	Apr 2018	#23
Her campaign was strong. Her platform was everything America now claims they want in the next Pres.	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#27
Campaign and campaigner are different things	BeyondGeography	Apr 2018	#149
She wrote the policy platform. She campaigned on that. That was all in her speeches	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#151
Exactly. But many	zentrum	Apr 2018	#161
Your initial distinction was spot on	BeyondGeography	Apr 2018	#173
Disagree	Me.	Apr 2018	#35
In the fiction section.	Cha	Apr 2018	#36
...	Me.	Apr 2018	#38
Post removed	Post removed	Apr 2018	#42
I don't think she was too heavy a favorite in early 2007. She made herself a big favorite by	StevieM	Apr 2018	#43
I think you have to go back further.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#47
I don't think it is fair to say that she was the presumptive nominee.	StevieM	Apr 2018	#50
Again, given all her advantages, she should never have been caught flat-footed by anybody	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#53
She fucking had 3m more votes than trumpass. Stopin acting like she was some horrid candidate.	boston bean	Apr 2018	#122
Honest criticism means it has to be true.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#125
We've been 'splained about the Democratic Candidate on DU before	ehrnst	Apr 2018	#162
I Think You're Invested In Your Contention	Me.	Apr 2018	#52
Yeah, that was the one eighteen years ago she might have covered the spread.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#55
Due Respect	Me.	Apr 2018	#58
And please don't take it as being okay with Comey, Putin, Fox, Facebook	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#62
And You Are Entitled To Your Opinion	Me.	Apr 2018	#66
Nah.. Millions knew she was the best candidate.. it was	Cha	Apr 2018	#99
"She is a flawed candidate" was a popular right wing talking point.	lapucelle	Apr 2018	#165
I think she was seen as the superior candidate. But the people were tricked into believing	StevieM	Apr 2018	#171
You should spend more time looking into the politics of New York - especially....	George II	Apr 2018	#100
Senate races in NY were a lot more competitive back then.	StevieM	Apr 2018	#147
I can see it bothers anyone who's into the reality of	Cha	Apr 2018	#69
In all frankness	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#40
Well, she built up a huge lead in the first 9 months of 2007. Contrary to popular belief,	StevieM	Apr 2018	#46
Never should have happened, though.	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#49
You forget that sexism is likely stronger than racism as well.	Caliman73	Apr 2018	#97
I'm still pissed that	druidity33	Apr 2018	#128
Given that the American people were persuaded that she somehow broke the law and got away with it,	StevieM	Apr 2018	#44
Recent developments with Comey aside	Pope George Ringo II	Apr 2018	#45
Hillary, as the candidate in ultimate control of her campaign has taken responsibility for her loss.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2018	#67
I find it amazing that the female candidate	lapucelle	Apr 2018	#167
Who here, or anywhere - certainly not me - admonished Hillary to apologize? For what?	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2018	#174
I was talking about the press and media. N/T	lapucelle	Apr 2018	#184
I also respectfully	BlueMTexpat	Apr 2018	#114
If Trump was the worst major party presidential candidate in American history,	betsuni	Apr 2018	#130
"she barely won the 2016 nomination" this is false on its face	uponit7771	Apr 2018	#135
Perfectly put.	Kentonio	Apr 2018	#140
We voted for her. We wanted her. But it's over, now. nt	Honeycombe8	Apr 2018	#24
No, it's not "over".. the DNC is suing..	Cha	Apr 2018	#25
K & R Cha. The organized injustice done to HRC & to the Dem Party WILL BE made right.	Wwcd	Apr 2018	#30
Bloodly well right, Wwcd.. My theory on why	Cha	Apr 2018	#33
No, It's Not Over	Me.	Apr 2018	#37
It is So Not Over! Excellent points about	Cha	Apr 2018	#59
I Do Believe It Will Be In The Forseeable Future	Me.	Apr 2018	#60
I hope so!	Cha	Apr 2018	#76
Glad to see this is finally happening... too bad the lawsuit can't overturn the election...	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2018	#72
I think it took awhile to get their very important	Cha	Apr 2018	#82
I agree... indeed, I see a lot of upside potential.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2018	#85
K&R. Well said, Cha	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#91
Gracias, lunamagica!	Cha	Apr 2018	#94
...	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#103
That makes my day	apkhgp	Apr 2018	#32
Yeah. This!	BobTheSubgenius	Apr 2018	#39
More conservative than I'd have preferred, but hands down THE most qualified	Mc Mike	Apr 2018	#41
Who the hell is Stewart Safran?	oberliner	Apr 2018	#48
Makes ya wonder,	Dream Girl	Apr 2018	#159
I voted for HIllary, but . .. .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#54
+1	BeyondGeography	Apr 2018	#56
Wrong. Clinton: "I go back over my own shortcomings and the mistakes we made.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#57
She has taken responsibility for them, but many here act . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#61
That's because many of her so-called mistakes aren't true.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#63
Oh, right, she ran a perfect campaign -- I keep fogetting . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#64
And there it is. Saying that not all criticisms of Hillary are true means I think she's perfect.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#65
You referred to her "so-called errors" . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#68
What were her errors?	betsuni	Apr 2018	#74
One of them . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#77
She made plenty of campaign stops and did plenty of rallies.	StevieM	Apr 2018	#81
And again I say . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#90
You originally said, "Hillary would be the first political candidate in U.S. political history ...	betsuni	Apr 2018	#95
Actually, you didnt say that and keep changing your responses...	bettyellen	Apr 2018	#170
I think the certain parts of the electorate who thought HRC was elitist are the ones	betsuni	Apr 2018	#89
Baloney.. ".. that she was elitist among certain	Cha	Apr 2018	#111
And aside from that, she WAS (is) charismatic. She's been the most admired woman in the world....	George II	Apr 2018	#143
That's right, George.. excellent point. I had forgotten	Cha	Apr 2018	#144
Obama, along with most educated people the U.S. are called "elitists"	ehrnst	Apr 2018	#129
Nonsense	mcar	Apr 2018	#141
She was the most "charismatic" candidate among all of the Democrats, she had substance.....	George II	Apr 2018	#142
My favorite is the claim that she didn't campaign in Pennsylvania, a state that she visited	StevieM	Apr 2018	#79
Oh yeah, it was Pennsylvania, not Wisconsin.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#86
many people want to downplay or ignore Putin and Comey's Role in the election	JI7	Apr 2018	#88
So true & why is that?.. It's still reality whether they acknowledge	Cha	Apr 2018	#96
Top Republican ADMITS Trump Won Wisconsin by Keeping Democrats From Voting	Cha	Apr 2018	#127
IIRC, she stuck to the big urban areas of PA	DeminPennswoods	Apr 2018	#132
Her commercials ran everywhere. They ran in all parts of the state.	StevieM	Apr 2018	#148
No, I know she ran many ads	DeminPennswoods	Apr 2018	#189
As the Candidate she never went to Wisconsin	forthemiddle	Apr 2018	#131
See post #86 -- I meant Pennsylvania, not Wisconsin.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#133
Nope.. Hillary took responsibility but it was still	Cha	Apr 2018	#73
Again, I readily concede she has taken responsibility for her own mistakes . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#75
I still don't understand your argument.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#83
Nobody said anything about any damn guns being held	Cha	Apr 2018	#84
"...many here act.." That's not reality, that's your perception. Don't be so vested in a	uponit7771	Apr 2018	#138
BULL.. she's not escaping any responsibility.. but it was still	Cha	Apr 2018	#70
No, she's not . . .	markpkessinger	Apr 2018	#71
No she's not perfect but, I appreciate her supporters who are calling	Cha	Apr 2018	#78
What do you mean by "her supporters"? She's not running for anything.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#80
Hillary certainly DOES deserve a lot of credit for that.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Apr 2018	#87
Again, "no responsibility" is your strawman it's not what anyone is saying	uponit7771	Apr 2018	#137
Oh FFS! eom	BlueMTexpat	Apr 2018	#116
No one is saying she was perfect, that's your strawman. Its obvious people are saying she ...	uponit7771	Apr 2018	#136
she was the victim of the largest disinformation campaign literally in the world's history	Takket	Apr 2018	#92
Hyperbole much?	misanthrope	Apr 2018	#109
It's certainly the Biggest Disinformation campaign	Cha	Apr 2018	#113
I am still blaming Comey regardless.	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#93
And me	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#105
And	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#107
Yes, they do!	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#178
Thot I saved the email, but I dint. Did some diggin' and found what	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#118
That's a really great article, deserving of it's own thread. Thanks for sharing!	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#177
Being 'driven' since 08 November 2016.	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#185
TRUE! And let's not forget the fact that it doesn't matter if you have the BEST	lunamagica	Apr 2018	#102
Mahalo for the important Reminder, Luna! And, the	Cha	Apr 2018	#104
I saw this and have gladness!	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#108
Yes! I finally read the whole article that the DNC	Cha	Apr 2018	#110
Na z'drovje, Cha! To your well being!	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#115
Cheers to you, sprinkleen!	Cha	Apr 2018	#117
Yeah!	sprinkleeninow	Apr 2018	#119
+1	betsuni	Apr 2018	#106
Exactly! eom	BlueMTexpat	Apr 2018	#112
How many times did she have to testify before congress	Soxfan58	Apr 2018	#126
There is a yuuuuge factor missing from this list,	R B Garr	Apr 2018	#146
All true. Now what. Can we move on now?	Dream Girl	Apr 2018	#152
According to some psychologists there are 5 steps in accepting loss.	jalan48	Apr 2018	#153
Seems like some maybe looping through the stages...	Dream Girl	Apr 2018	#154
Yes, two steps forward then one back.	jalan48	Apr 2018	#172
In denial of what?	betsuni	Apr 2018	#155
Loss	jalan48	Apr 2018	#156
But the Revolution is under way, isn't it?	betsuni	Apr 2018	#157
We shall see. I think focusing on the upcoming elections is the key.	jalan48	Apr 2018	#158
What happened to the 2016 Democratic party candidate will happen to the next one.	betsuni	Apr 2018	#160
Yes, it seems to keep happening. Al Gore actually won both the popular vote and the electoral	jalan48	Apr 2018	#164
Until Bernie supporters stop denigrating one of the most successful American woman politicians	Fla Dem	Apr 2018	#169
Why does it bother you so much? This is a political	Cha	Apr 2018	#188
Clinton was not a weak candidate	Gothmog	Apr 2018	#163
Hillary Clinton had the 2nd most popular votes in the history of US Presidential elections.	Fla Dem	Apr 2018	#168
Wow! Great post!	R B Garr	Apr 2018	#175
and she lost to a corrupt racist who brags about assaulting women	krawhitham	Apr 2018	#181
The election was stolen by traitors and enemies of the United States.	Nitram	Apr 2018	#176
She was a candidate the GOP had beat down for 30 years, making her a WEAK CANDIDATE	krawhitham	Apr 2018	#179
And just who do you think would have beaten Trump? Sanders? Biden?	Fla Dem	Apr 2018	#183
You're not facing reality.	Cha	Apr 2018	#187
The 70-30 number is not realistic. The problem with your argument is that it ignores the fact	StevieM	Apr 2018	#191
To say nothing of outright vote tampering.	sandensea	Apr 2018	#186
Enough already. Instead of beating a dead horse, prepare for the next race. Don't mourn, organize	jg10003	Apr 2018	#190

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