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159. Turner and her ilk want the mob rule of caucuses

Wed Apr 25, 2018, 11:42 AM

Apr 2018

I really hope nobody is seriously considering making permanent rule changes just to satisfy ONE candidate running in ONE election...

This is the part where I ask once again if Bernie hates the primary system so much, why doesn't he just run as an independent?

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Bernie Sanders Camp Says Ending Superdelegate 'Debacle' Key to Defeating Trump in 2020 [View all] TexasTowelie Apr 2018 OP

WRONG, Actually discontinuing the influence of superdelegates is what gave us Trump Fresh_Start Apr 2018 #1

Yep, exactly this. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #13

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #17

Thank you, Fresh_Start peggysue2 Apr 2018 #18

+1 nt brer cat Apr 2018 #23

Wrong party. The discussion is about DEMOCRATIC RandomAccess Apr 2018 #40

Wrong analysis...the party isn't the question...the question is whether or not superdelegates Fresh_Start Apr 2018 #47

Well then we should run right out and fix that, wouldn't you say? RandomAccess Apr 2018 #48

we sure as hell shouldn't repeat their mistake Fresh_Start Apr 2018 #57

I think ending the Electoral College a bigger issue RandomAccess Apr 2018 #70

agree but did you notice title on this thread? nt Fresh_Start Apr 2018 #80

Pie in the sky...that will never happen. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #166

Random, I'm a little surprised to see you in an opposition Hortensis Apr 2018 #88

My concern is far more basic than that RandomAccess Apr 2018 #102

We'd all like pure democracy, but not a Trump. Hortensis Apr 2018 #115

I'm sorry, Hortensis RandomAccess Apr 2018 #188

I don't read those threads, Random, and suggest Hortensis Apr 2018 #190

You really can be pushy, can't you? RandomAccess Apr 2018 #191

If we didn't have supers ...we would not had a nominee until fall...as we have proportional voting Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #167

Good point. And as partisans for the main candidates Hortensis Apr 2018 #170

That has happened before...and in every instance I can think of we lost the general. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #184

Really? I know it's happened in both parties, Hortensis Apr 2018 #189

Well technically...we never got to the smokey rooms but there was drama and deals made and we lost Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #194

WRONG, ABSOLUTELY WRONG. Blue_true Apr 2018 #82

Too late RandomAccess Apr 2018 #83

When have super delegates decided a nomination? Blue_true Apr 2018 #89

Wait a minute there. Who won in 2016? KPN Apr 2018 #112

It benefits a candidate who wants to fight it out even if they don't win a majority of the votes. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #168

agreed on 2016 NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #180

Exactly. nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #192

+1 musette_sf Apr 2018 #69

Not true. former9thward Apr 2018 #99

exactly triron Apr 2018 #108

Why is that a problem? Trump IS an honest reflection of the GOP Azathoth Apr 2018 #160

But I remember reading on here during the primaries that Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #183

Teh republican base is a hell of a lot different than the democratic base. There's no corrolary here JCanete Apr 2018 #186

When Bernie becomes a Democrat is when he can have a say in the party. hack89 Apr 2018 #2

+1,000,000 George II Apr 2018 #56

So, by that logic, why haven't the Democrats barred Bernie from caucusing with the Party? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #58

For the same reason that Angus King caucuses with the Democrats. That is what independents do. still_one Apr 2018 #64

As an Independent he can caucus with whom he wants. If he thinks he can go caucus with the GOP politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #68

Boom. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #98

YES! This is the correct analysis! You nailed it!! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #58

+1,000,001 BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #107

Honest to god, what an utterly stupid idea BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #110

Couldn't care less what Bernie or his "camp" have to say. Nt MANative Apr 2018 #3

Apparently you do. NT hueymahl Apr 2018 #11

No, I take him at his word. Cha Apr 2018 #32

Yes, but we really should wonder about MOTIVE. Hortensis Apr 2018 #91

Hi Hortensis.. I meant I take MANative at his word.. Cha Apr 2018 #93

I know. But I think we really NEED to care about Hortensis Apr 2018 #94

Oh sorry.. yeah, we should know Cha Apr 2018 #100

... BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #4

Bernie should distance himself from idiots like Nina Turner immediately. DanTex Apr 2018 #5

+1,000,000 George II Apr 2018 #31

Bernie is not going to distance himself from his own PAC comradebillyboy Apr 2018 #104

Nina Turner is toxic and hates the Democratic Party Gothmog Apr 2018 #139

Had Sen. Sanders and his supporters admitted defeat then who knows what might have happened. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #6

Sanders apparently didn't think they so corrupt that he would refuse to be one. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #123

Very true. And of course supers have always voted with the candidate who received the most votes and Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #134

"The GOP would have given their right nut for superdelegates." ehrnst Apr 2018 #135

So would I...would have been spared Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #165

Absurd and ridiculous assertion (speaking to the Sanders camp, not the person posting this) Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #7

Yep, they had to pry the nomination out of his cold dead hands. I joke, but it did hurt HRC. dameatball Apr 2018 #28

I cant comment but if I could I would and I would RAGE about it for a while. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #30

Go ahead. I admired Bernie (still do) because he was bold on some issues. But we have to win. dameatball Apr 2018 #34

No and more no...here is what this is about...given proportional voting ...it is unlikely a Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #8

Congressional Black Caucus: Keep superdelegate system in place Gothmog Apr 2018 #9

Perhaps Ms. Turner could brush up on her history a bit. OilemFirchen Apr 2018 #22

Agreed Gothmog Apr 2018 #71

Yeah, insert some reality into her proclamations Cha Apr 2018 #75

Cheese with your whine, Sir? nt aka-chmeee Apr 2018 #10

Bazinga! George II Apr 2018 #29

Who are you talking to? Cha Apr 2018 #33

WRONG NewJeffCT Apr 2018 #12

Why are these people so against coalition building? NCTraveler Apr 2018 #14

Great question Cary Apr 2018 #41

Thats not entirely fair is it? BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #46

This thread features quite a lot of opposition to coalition building. Jim Lane Apr 2018 #101

Outside of about five times in his career, yes. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #109

Circumspice. (n/t) Jim Lane Apr 2018 #114

This message was self-deleted by its author TCJ70 Apr 2018 #116

What bad taste? Hav Apr 2018 #15

Senator Sanders was a Superdelegate himself. ehrnst Apr 2018 #16

THey Say A Lot Of Things Me. Apr 2018 #19

They should start their own party Cary Apr 2018 #20

This MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #39

What drivel. nt DURHAM D Apr 2018 #21

Nope. NT Adrahil Apr 2018 #24

Please Bernie, please throw some divisive remarks our way ProudLib72 Apr 2018 #25

Recommended and agreed. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #26

How can someone who isn't a member of an organization dictate their rules or policies? George II Apr 2018 #27

No correlation RandySF Apr 2018 #35

If we get rid of caucus and open primaries, Id be onboard. Amimnoch Apr 2018 #36

No...not unless we have winner take all primaries...I don't want a candidate to fight to the death Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #169

They don't understand (and no, I'm NOT re-fighting the primaries!) that.... George II Apr 2018 #37

He was against them before being for them when he thought they could benefit him, but they didn't so MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #38

only closed primaries. ditch caucuses cuz they exclude too many people nt msongs Apr 2018 #42

Is Sen. Sanders a Democrat now? gratuitous Apr 2018 #43

For all intents and purposes, Bernie IS a Democrat yes... a damn good one at that!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #73

Nonsense, Bernie has never felt that the Democratic Party comradebillyboy Apr 2018 #106

THAT'S nonsense... then why does Bernie caucus with the Democratic Party if it's InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #111

He has flat out said I dont consider myself a Democrat. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #132

No, but he's always complaining about our Democratic Cha Apr 2018 #76

Way too many Bernie threads popping up here, all of a sudden. Paladin Apr 2018 #44

Relax, Im sure its not coordinated or anything BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #45

I know what you mean... Wounded Bear Apr 2018 #50

It does make one wonder. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #52

Of course he said that... Wounded Bear Apr 2018 #49

So, Bernie is a Democrat again? Is Nina? Any intention of sticking by us at all? Hekate Apr 2018 #51

what's up ??? Civic Justice Apr 2018 #53

Nina talks about fair and transparent. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #54

Nina Turner is a hypocrite. Cha Apr 2018 #78

Is this the same Nina Turner that was a regular on Ed "RT" Schultz's radio show back in the day? GoCubsGo Apr 2018 #121

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #118

This is bitterness, pure and simple NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #55

So bitter of Nina Turner.. Cha Apr 2018 #79

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #119

No he did not. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #173

Even without the Super Delegates Hillary won California, and she also won San Francisco. This is still_one Apr 2018 #60

They couldn't be more wrong mcar Apr 2018 #61

I dont give two tugs of a dead dogs dick Codeine Apr 2018 #62

LOL. I never heard that expression before, but its great!!! still_one Apr 2018 #65

I am pretty sure I got it from a comics writer Codeine Apr 2018 #66

I need to check Ellis out. Thanks still_one Apr 2018 #67

Why the hate? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #74

No hate. Codeine Apr 2018 #77

Oh, GMAFB! In what reality does someone "not caring" mean the same thing as "hate"? NurseJackie Apr 2018 #181

The race was essentially over by the 2nd week of March. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #63

Well, only if you take math into account, and the notion of "majority." (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #124

Silly math, always getting in the way of a good narrative. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #145

The super delegates played no role in the outcome of the race, nor was there ever the possibility StevieM Apr 2018 #72

Bernie didnt win because he didnt think he could from the beginning. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2018 #81

You know. Blue_true Apr 2018 #86

Youd think someone would mention the fact to them. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 2018 #87

"...so fucking naive..." -- Agreed! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #182

Indeed - when one decides to run as a candidate, one is aware of the rules and policies. ehrnst Apr 2018 #122

Bernie is Not a Democrat by Choice dlk Apr 2018 #84

Weren't Superdelegates his Excuse for staying in the race JI7 Apr 2018 #85

Yes. Bernie himself planned to use superdelegates to win the nomination. yardwork Apr 2018 #92

If they bring that back up again. Screw them. LiberalFighter Apr 2018 #90

they wanted a fractured convention bigtree Apr 2018 #95

Ha! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #96

Of course, they do. And the sun rose in the east this morning. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #97

EVERYONE releasing the damn TAX RETURNS and shaming DT into releasing his -- that's the key. pnwmom Apr 2018 #103

IRCSTG boston bean Apr 2018 #105

Total revionist koolaid. His cali campaign was toxic hype ucrdem Apr 2018 #113

Superdelegates are a strange idea... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #117

In what way are they "abused?" ehrnst Apr 2018 #120

They were included in delegate counts before anyone even voted... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #125

So how was that different from any other primary? ehrnst Apr 2018 #128

As I dont think superdelegates should be a thing... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #130

So you aren't going to answer the question about what was different ehrnst Apr 2018 #131

You're putting a lot of words in my mouth TCJ70 Apr 2018 #133

You stated that Superdelegates gave HRC an advantage by stating their preference ehrnst Apr 2018 #136

Good grief TCJ70 Apr 2018 #137

So how was it was "abused in the last primary?" ehrnst Apr 2018 #142

Fuck this. I'm out. You're being obtuse and divisive. TCJ70 Apr 2018 #144

No you haven't answered my questions - just tried to change your original claims ehrnst Apr 2018 #146

You mean like in the 2008 primaries when the popular vote was a near tie (under 1%) ehrnst Apr 2018 #163

That is nonsense. How did Obama win then? Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #174

Since you brought it up, not officially. George II Apr 2018 #141

I think that someone is also conveniently forgetting about ehrnst Apr 2018 #147

The bottom line is, unless I missed it, superdelegates have never determined the nominee. George II Apr 2018 #148

I think because the superdelegates have experience and knowledge ehrnst Apr 2018 #150

I don't like the idea of superdelegates at all. Vinca Apr 2018 #126

Why do you think Sanders agreed to be one? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #129

I have no idea and I don't really care. This isn't about Sanders, it's about superdelegates. Vinca Apr 2018 #171

I don't like the idea of disputed conventions...which is what would happen unless you also Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #175

That would be fine. Every person's vote should count. Vinca Apr 2018 #187

No we need to win elections and if you end up with multiple ballots because the winner of the Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #195

If the delegates happen to pick the loser that's too bad, but it's their choice. Vinca Apr 2018 #197

Oh really so the voters don't matter ...changed your tune...well it won't happen so...and Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #198

The voters DO matter. That's why their votes shouldn't be negated by superdelegates. Vinca Apr 2018 #199

No Democratic votes have ever been negated by supers...but a contested convention where a person Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #200

We're going to have to agree to disagree. Vinca Apr 2018 #202

Ok have a great day... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #203

K&R.. disillusioned73 Apr 2018 #127

I don't remember Superdelegates being a "problem" until Bernie came along... brooklynite Apr 2018 #138

Precisely. George II Apr 2018 #143

Yep. Same with closed primaries. ehrnst Apr 2018 #149

There was A LOT of criticism of superdelegates in 2008 Azathoth Apr 2018 #158

Did Hillary claim that that the very notion of superdelegates was corrupt? ehrnst Apr 2018 #161

lol, no, I'm not providing "links to documentation" Azathoth Apr 2018 #164

Nonsense...Pres.Obama had the majority of votes...and if Pres. Obama could beat Hillary with supers Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #172

I didn't hear any criticism at all...and Hilary did not try for a disputed convention either. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #176

Oh come on, it was quite the issue back in 2008 Azathoth Apr 2018 #157

In what way? ehrnst Apr 2018 #162

It was not an issue. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #177

Ummmm...... Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #140

You know what left a bad taste in my mouth? Adrahil Apr 2018 #151

Not just you. Many people noticed the same things... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #153

And it looks like history is about to repeat if Sen. Sanders and that person I despise Nina Turner Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #178

I do believe Bernie has another motive BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #154

My personal opinion is that he thinks he can get the nomination even if he doesn't win the majority Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #179

Bernie will not be mistaken for an astute pundit if he keeps making idiotic observations like that. LonePirate Apr 2018 #155

Well, then, I expect him to be clear that he will not vote as a superdelegate in 2020 KitSileya Apr 2018 #156

Turner and her ilk want the mob rule of caucuses Blue_Tires Apr 2018 #159

I think it's... Mike Nelson Apr 2018 #185

I do not want to remake the Democratic Party just to make Nina Turner happy Gothmog Apr 2018 #193

DFW camp says DFW Apr 2018 #196

never even heard of superdelegates untill 2016 AllaN01Bear Apr 2018 #201

I'll just leave this here... Blue_Tires Apr 2018 #204

LOL! Bravenak totally nails it... R B Garr Apr 2018 #205