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102. Benjamin?

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Wed Apr 25, 2018, 02:38 PM

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Kirsten Gillibrand Unveils A Public Option For Banking [View all] ehrnst Apr 2018 OP

Love Kirsten Gillibrand! nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #1

+1 nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #40

No love for Gillibrandt HelenWheels Apr 2018 #49

No love for Franklin. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #54

At least get his name right. Liberalagogo Apr 2018 #69

Whoosh... LexVegas Apr 2018 #76

Go whoosh youself Liberalagogo Apr 2018 #89

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #105

And ignored. Liberalagogo Apr 2018 #120

.... LexVegas Apr 2018 #121

Couldnt care less for Gilli LakeArenal Apr 2018 #197

Agreed. SergeStorms Apr 2018 #227

I saw what you did there. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #153

Yep! NT warmfeet Apr 2018 #152

... Scurrilous Apr 2018 #98

Benjamin? democratisphere Apr 2018 #102

You mean Ben Franklin, who was the first Postmaster General? haele Apr 2018 #183

How is it possible you don't know his name? Did you follow the Senate investigation hearings? Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #236

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #239

I'll vote for her again, but don't like what she did to Franken. But a PO bank is awesome! Squinch Apr 2018 #131

I thought this was Bernie s idea. Ive seen articles about him on this subject recently. notdarkyet Apr 2018 #154

No, it wasn't Bernie's idea. Others floated it long before St. Bernie. But this is the Squinch Apr 2018 #155

Bernie made this part of his presidential platform in Dec. 2015. Elizabeth Warren Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #174

The Inspector General of the Post Office put out the idea in a white paper some years before that. Squinch Apr 2018 #187

I'm with you -- RandomAccess Apr 2018 #145

Maybe Sanders should introduced a bill himself Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #180

Fucking enough already. How long you gonna go on repeating the same thing? Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #165

As long as necessary. Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #176

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #237

Just think how far this agenda could go ashling Apr 2018 #119

Yup Franken gets extra votes, Progressive dog Apr 2018 #142

I wish he hadnt resigned. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2018 #158

Yeah, poor Al was set upon Progressive dog Apr 2018 #159

Arms getting tired? Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #177

So you claim to know how heavy Progressive dog Apr 2018 #207

Just guessing by having to look at so much of it on this thread. Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #212

I thought there must be something special about Republican water Progressive dog Apr 2018 #232

I disagree with your jaded take on what happened BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2018 #200

That makes it OK to attack Gillibrand Progressive dog Apr 2018 #206

Most accusers were anonymous. No past accusations of anything have surfaced; BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2018 #219

Franken quit before Progressive dog Apr 2018 #230

Democratic constituents had a dilemma ..we could not accuse the ''other side'' of wrong doing YOHABLO Apr 2018 #235

For the last time wellst0nev0ter Apr 2018 #211

For the last time, Franken resigned because of those allegations. Progressive dog Apr 2018 #231

With the "support" of democrats like you wellst0nev0ter Apr 2018 #233

Democrats like you are supporting one former democratic Progressive dog Apr 2018 #234

Franken is a good man wellst0nev0ter Apr 2018 #238

Franken is gone and the 31 Democratic Senators Progressive dog Apr 2018 #242

That's not true. Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #181

No it isn't but somehow Progressive dog Apr 2018 #205

In other words Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #218

-1000 aeromanKC Apr 2018 #243

K & R. n/t FSogol Apr 2018 #2

K&R wryter2000 Apr 2018 #3

An interesting proposal mythology Apr 2018 #4

No it isn't; this is another DUMB idea. If they want government banks they can build government politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #114

It has been very, very successfully implemented in other countries. And about those lines: maybe Squinch Apr 2018 #132

Exactly, when I lived in Norway it was this way FreeState Apr 2018 #135

It's really a great idea. Squinch Apr 2018 #136

Just because it's been successful in other countries doesn't mean it's something we need here. politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #209

USPS did banking back in the 1930. NOT a stupid idea. NT bonniebgood Apr 2018 #190

I live in South Korea rpannier Apr 2018 #213

Now they'll really want to loot it. WhiteTara Apr 2018 #5

Good idea but Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #6

Who has "branded (her) as a NY big financial interest water carrier"? Nowhere I've seen. George II Apr 2018 #18

You don't have to look very hard to find it Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #36

You really need to get a better understanding of FEC regulations and reporting rules. George II Apr 2018 #46

Humorous advice considering you presented NO facts Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #103

Once again, you need a full understanding of FEC laws and reporting regulations, which might.... George II Apr 2018 #107

Once again you didn't dispute the numbers Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #116

No, I didn't "dispute" the numbers, I EXPLAINED them! If you refuse to accept the explanation.... George II Apr 2018 #126

No you tried to mischaracterize rather than engage in an honest discussion Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #148

If this is just craven "positioning herself for a run" ehrnst Apr 2018 #82

That's true - if they truly support those positions Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #106

Financial industry people are among her constituents. Blue_true Apr 2018 #108

I don't see how it matters if it is. Solid platform position. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #21

Not to rain on everyone's parade...... SergeStorms Apr 2018 #228

That's so sad. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #229

So advancing progressive legislation is bad.... ehrnst Apr 2018 #45

Agreed, I think it's called "politics"... maybe that's why they're referred to as "politicians"?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #63

Yes, and I judge them by the good they do as legislators. ehrnst Apr 2018 #81

Yes, but "good works" as legislators doesn't necessarily make up for past indiscretions. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #85

I didn't say that they did. ehrnst Apr 2018 #86

And I didn't say that you said that they did, haha!! I see your point... it's a fair one. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #91

I didn't say that you said that I did.. ehrnst Apr 2018 #110

And I didn't say... lol, nevermind. Have a good one. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #111

If it is not done by Bernie, well yes. nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #109

The positioning for 2020 isn't what bothers me... that's what most politicians do... politic. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #56

If getting progressive legislation into existence is "masking" ehrnst Apr 2018 #64

Haha, yes, I have no problem with Gillibrand's proposed legislation; kudos to her for doing that. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #77

Gotcha. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #83

Not a new idea. Glad it is being put forward more officially. elfin Apr 2018 #7

I hear you and agree she was wrong mountain grammy Apr 2018 #12

I'm warming to the idea... no one's perfect. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #53

Ditto disndat Apr 2018 #16

Franken resigned. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #26

Not true, Franken wanted to wait for an investigation before doing anything. Bluepinky Apr 2018 #57

"Franken wanted to wait" NCTraveler Apr 2018 #65

What do you mean by fighting for himself? Bluepinky Apr 2018 #80

Frankly I think he was a little *too* popular! JNelson6563 Apr 2018 #202

elizabeth warren suggested this a couple years ago now. mopinko Apr 2018 #8

Did anyone mention if before Warren? NCTraveler Apr 2018 #27

Did Warren introduce legislation? That's what's being talked about here.(nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #39

Bernie Sanders brought this up in 2014 and again in 2015. I think if they get Autumn Apr 2018 #42

Yes, I do think Bernie was first to put this out there... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #59

Exactly. The party needs to advance idea that help people. I think it's great that Autumn Apr 2018 #61

Precisely! And it seems like the 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls are coming together InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #70

I'm glad that Gillibrand had the skill and the motivation to ehrnst Apr 2018 #84

That's how things get done. Working and talking together. Like when Gillibrand Autumn Apr 2018 #99

"Putting it out there," ehrnst Apr 2018 #68

Yes, and Gillibrand definitely deserves credit for that too... I applaud her. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #72

No, it wasn't Bernie who first put it out there. Squinch Apr 2018 #156

It doesn't matter who put it out first. It matters that they are getting on the same page. Autumn Apr 2018 #217

"Bringing it up" and introducing legislation are two different things. ehrnst Apr 2018 #67

Of course they are different things. That was what I said, by working together Autumn Apr 2018 #94

I don't know that Bernie is involved in the legislation. ehrnst Apr 2018 #192

Bernie jumps in with the Dems on legislation, like she jumped on his Medicare for all Autumn Apr 2018 #195

Let's hope.(nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #196

And BS didn't "bring it up." The Inspector General of the post office proposed it 2 years before. Squinch Apr 2018 #188

Unless ehrnst Apr 2018 #193

True. Squinch Apr 2018 #198

Yes, US post offices provided savings and deposit services for Americans from 1911 to 1967 ehrnst Apr 2018 #215

She's also driving away donors maybe she ought to think about leaving Fullduplexxx Apr 2018 #9

Did Warren introduce legislation? ehrnst Apr 2018 #22

Leaving what? nt. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #29

Will these loans be non-dischargable in bankruptcy? MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #10

Good points. I agree -- let's not create an even bigger human indebtedness problem, and KPN Apr 2018 #15

There are people who need short term, small loans to avoid eviction, pay medical bills, etc. ehrnst Apr 2018 #17

Can't argue with the need. I just wonder how using the PO for loans that may not cover costs Hoyt Apr 2018 #43

Public schools don't cover their costs, do they? Do roads without tolls? ehrnst Apr 2018 #47

Then fine, the Dems will have to argue before Congress they has submitted a bill that will Hoyt Apr 2018 #93

They will demonize the poor as always, yes. ehrnst Apr 2018 #97

And the military pretty much has collateral on any loan. That's just not true of general population Hoyt Apr 2018 #100

Disagree. Loans are not the solution. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #73

So you recommend running up credit cards, if people have good credit. ehrnst Apr 2018 #78

Of mice and straw men. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #113

So you think "temporary relief" is the alternative to a loan? ehrnst Apr 2018 #118

Do you think a loan is better than increased income? MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #128

So suddenly "increased income" is magically an option for someone ehrnst Apr 2018 #151

Not magic. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #162

Where to begin... ehrnst Apr 2018 #170

A brief response. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #199

"Short term loans aren't something that people do frivolously. ...is a false statement" ehrnst Apr 2018 #201

With loans, it's all about ability to repay. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #221

Creditcards.com? ehrnst Apr 2018 #222

Yes, here's 2nd link. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #223

So it's a link to a pymnts.com "take" on a Pew Poll ehrnst Apr 2018 #225

True. If you can't get a loan, it's because you are a bad risk. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #164

Good points! These are details that should be worked on. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #58

Why do we need to shelve this legislation until after "student loan bankruptcy is allowed?" ehrnst Apr 2018 #71

In the current proposal, will loans be dischargeable in bankruptcy? MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #115

I have only the article, not the bill text. ehrnst Apr 2018 #122

Not about student loans. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #129

I agree completely! (nt) MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #75

Italian model. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #11

And Japan, Australia, Korea, etc. n/t progressoid Apr 2018 #25

Good idea. I just don't like Sen. Gillibrand. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #13

Yay! About time someone did this. Not surprised it was Gillibrand. KPN Apr 2018 #14

She has a long way to go to win over fans of honesty and fairness. lark Apr 2018 #19

I hear you. That's why I said "maybe". KPN Apr 2018 #33

Introducing legislation is a different thing than proposing an idea. ehrnst Apr 2018 #35

Are you sure they haven't? I don't know that, but if not KPN Apr 2018 #48

Yes talking about something is good. Me and my friends talk about things that could be done ehrnst Apr 2018 #62

I think you are making a case that doesn't hold water frankly. KPN Apr 2018 #134

Because you say so? ehrnst Apr 2018 #224

Stealing Liz Warren's idea? Ligyron Apr 2018 #20

This is about legislation, not the idea. ehrnst Apr 2018 #24

Warren was the first to come up with it? nt. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #31

Warren was talking about it years ago. No legislation came of it until now. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #32

Seems they are stealing credit from the NPL... NCTraveler Apr 2018 #37

I know. Single Payer has been around longer than most politicians have been in office. ehrnst Apr 2018 #52

It wasn't Liz Warren's idea. If you think this was stealing, then Liz Warren stole the idea Squinch Apr 2018 #189

United States post offices provided savings and deposit services for Americans from 1911 to 1967 ehrnst Apr 2018 #216

The USPS proposed this FOUR YEARS AGO. Warren and Sanders supported it. progressoid Apr 2018 #23

Did either craft legislation on it? "Proposing an idea" and introducing a bill are different things. ehrnst Apr 2018 #28

And it is a sign of progress when even more Democrats support it. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #60

Nothing new about this. awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #30

There was previous legislation introduced? ehrnst Apr 2018 #34

The idea is nothing new awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #38

"ideas" come before legislation... and why do you think it's "symbolic?" ehrnst Apr 2018 #74

Agree about your title awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #88

My understanding of "symbolic" legislation is that you don't expect it to pass ehrnst Apr 2018 #90

I like it. The Post Office should provide many more services than mail. Pepsidog Apr 2018 #41

I hate to be a Debbie Downer here, but ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #44

Good points hueymahl Apr 2018 #50

The costs of this staying private are also large - especially to those in uniform. ehrnst Apr 2018 #51

UPS sets up seperate "call" windows for soecific activity. Blue_true Apr 2018 #112

Great idea... floWteiuQ Apr 2018 #55

lol ! stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #66

Payday loans, and title loans are the work of the devil! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #79

This thread is filled with credit to KG, Bernie, probably a millionnotheds Nevernose Apr 2018 #87

And that's why I'm glad that a progressive Senator is moving forward with actual legislation ehrnst Apr 2018 #92

Franken 2020 ! stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #95

K&R Scurrilous Apr 2018 #96

This goes a ways toward making up for the horror of what happened to PatrickforO Apr 2018 #101

What a horrible tread to read! HenryWallace Apr 2018 #104

Splendid idea that I'm 100% behind, but it means jackshit without a living wage law. Rabrrrrrr Apr 2018 #117

fantastic Sancho Apr 2018 #123

The lines at my local post office are too long already left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #124

That used to exist in the USPS, to some degree. Here's info: MineralMan Apr 2018 #125

Redemption tour 2018... Snackshack Apr 2018 #127

Boink. Scurrilous Apr 2018 #130

I've always thought this was a fabulous idea. These days, though, my major concern would be Squinch Apr 2018 #133

Rep. Cedric L. Richmond in 2014 Mel Apr 2018 #137

Thank you for an end note nolabels Apr 2018 #175

This was something Bernie proposed in the primary. Shell need to come up with her own .... mudstump Apr 2018 #138

Did Bernie introduce legislation? ehrnst Apr 2018 #139

Is Bernie toast with you too? Sanders did call for Franken to resign the day before he did SFnomad Apr 2018 #143

This has veered off from the OP, hasn't it? ehrnst Apr 2018 #144

It had veered off topic from the OP when the person I replied to had stated SFnomad Apr 2018 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Apr 2018 #147

I did not reply to you, I replied to mudstump SFnomad Apr 2018 #149

My bad ehrnst Apr 2018 #150

And Sanders borrowed his idea from history - because the post office used to do such things. Rabrrrrrr Apr 2018 #160

BS needs to come up with his own ideas. This was something the inspector general of the Squinch Apr 2018 #191

K & R SunSeeker Apr 2018 #140

How about a public option to bring Al back? nt Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #141

We may disagree with her on Franken KrazyinKS Apr 2018 #157

Great idea and zentrum Apr 2018 #161

I don't care what she proposes. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #163

Very mature. Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #166

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #167

You, too. Very mature. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #168

At least I'm creative and don't fucking upchuck the same old bullshit day in and day out. Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #169

At least I'm informed and don't fucking upchuck the same old bullshit negativity against co-posters. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #173

So fucking creative. Fucking the fucking fuckers. Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #178

Well that sounds like quality pragmatism at work. nt JCanete Apr 2018 #186

My post office would have to add on. There isnt even space for a desk to apply for loans, Maggiemayhem Apr 2018 #171

Not all post offices have all post office services right now. ehrnst Apr 2018 #172

The reason this hasn't been made a bill before Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #179

That's an old idea whose time has always been around. haele Apr 2018 #182

... Scurrilous Apr 2018 #184

Wait what? Why are there no posts about how everything is impossible until we play it all safe and JCanete Apr 2018 #185

Did you read the article? ehrnst Apr 2018 #194

be more specific. What does anything in that article have to do with the actual JCanete Apr 2018 #208

Here you go: ehrnst Apr 2018 #214

No...so we are supposed to wait for Republicans to do something before we propose something that JCanete Apr 2018 #220

If you don't pay back your loan, the Post Office holds your mail? FarCenter Apr 2018 #203

Brilliant! 2014 Article: Postal Banking System. We should know we had it. And it worked Wwcd Apr 2018 #204

British Post Offices Smilo Apr 2018 #210

The USPS offered banking services until the 1960s. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #226

Bankers rule. NOMOGOP Apr 2018 #240

Good to see some Kirsten Gillibrand love oberliner Apr 2018 #241