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88. there is a sustained animosity between both groups, so I understand the distrust of her by

Wed Apr 25, 2018, 03:16 PM

Apr 2018

Sanders supporters. She has put enough oxygen into, in my opinion, maligning Sanders and his supporters, or conversely, your opinion, being righteously critical of them.

It has nothing to do with her being a Person of Color. Do you think that the animosity would be lower if she were white? You mean like Clinton? You could almost certianly give me a luandry list of "attacks on Clinton" but now you have to shift the goal posts to it being because she's a woman.

I haven't looked at this particular critique yet, so I'm not going to weigh in on whether its fair, or an opportunist, reactionary attack related to confirmation bias...the kind we get here all the time going both ways. Certainly, just because I don't fully trust her reporting myself, doesn't mean that one, if she did something in the past, she shouldn't be able to move past it, and two, that accusations against her rate merit just because they are against her.

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The Internet Archive Trashes Joy Reid's Dubious Claim That Hackers Made Her Look Homophobic [View all] melman Apr 2018 OP

A few of the ugly posts melman Apr 2018 #1

Ugh Blue_Adept Apr 2018 #24

She doesn't need evolving, those aren't her. George II Apr 2018 #28

Well, if that's true, Joy deserves our full support... but, our condemnation InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #78

There's no link to that web site JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #180

Nope. Don't think anyone has a link, this all is disgusting speculation and character assassination. George II Apr 2018 #189

She's a Harvard Grad, she didn't write that ecstatic Apr 2018 #165

Joy Ann Reid is the victim of Black Propaganda - Malcolm Nance defines/describes here... TheDebbieDee Apr 2018 #182

A new blog post that repudiates her claims NCTraveler Apr 2018 #2

That's what happens, they all take a rumor story and push it to the top. Was Hannity up there too? George II Apr 2018 #30

They would love to get rid of Joy because she is effective...and Duer's shouldn't help. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #141

cyber security experts have already found suspicious activity . stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #202

And your purpose for posting this stuff is..........................................? George II Apr 2018 #3

And your problem with it is melman Apr 2018 #6

It hurt a person who is awesome at fighting for the Democratic party and progressive policy. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #142

Joy said mean things about Bernie and Our Revolution. Blue_true Apr 2018 #51

Yes, let's never miss any opportunity to bash Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #89

That's it...this is why I don't support Sen. Sanders for president...I can't abide this Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #144

I dont think homophobia should be hidden ever FreeState Apr 2018 #81

Here, here!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #90

Yes, as I said elsewhere here I think we all agree. But it must be REAL homphobia, not... George II Apr 2018 #110

AS a gay man myself, I would like to point out FreeState Apr 2018 #138

Nope you missed what the actual question is and to what that person was referring stevenleser Apr 2018 #186

No one here would dispute that, I'm sure we all agree with your premise. However, for some.... George II Apr 2018 #160

Oh, melman, melman, melman. You're so... consistent! Squinch Apr 2018 #4

Consistently against homophobia melman Apr 2018 #5

Well, no. Not that. Squinch Apr 2018 #7

I'd allege that as well... LanternWaste Apr 2018 #15

Bullshit, you can read the articles themselves and she's not speaking out against LGBTQ uponit7771 Apr 2018 #20

Bullshit. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #65

Abso-fuckin-lutely!! How is this even debatable?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #92

I think everyone here is consistently against homophobia. None others differ. Happily. George II Apr 2018 #33

K and R Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #8

Didn't she apologize last year for this? B2G Apr 2018 #9

Probably because the newly uncovered posts are especially egregious. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #10

That was a different story about which she apologized. That really happened, this probably didn't. George II Apr 2018 #35

I hope for Joy's sake this new story didn't happen... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #95

I will wait too. Tipperary Apr 2018 #116

Don't you know you're not allowed to say that!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #148

What facts? Would you rather see a rightie take her spot because that is what will happen. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #145

That's certainly 1 way of lookin at it; I don't condemn or ridicule you for expressing that opinion. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #152

Thank you...Listen...back in the day, I just wished the gay issue would go away. I was fine with it Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #161

I appreciate your honesty Dems... I guess that's all I'm lookin for from Joy Reid. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #163

Some do dislike her for that reason...and I get angry when people say stuff about people I like... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #196

There you go AGAIN Dems, being honest, haha!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #198

She's not, they're talking about post that were altered or hacked post apology. uponit7771 Apr 2018 #18

Ah, thanks for this. Just coming in to it now, but that explains it all, R B Garr Apr 2018 #23

Yep. Blue_true Apr 2018 #54

So let me get this straight, the posts were hacked but even if they werent they are not bad? Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #171

I was speaking of the post she claimed, not the ones that showed up where ghosting uponit7771 Apr 2018 #173

This Is How We Can Tell When One of Our Own Is Being Effective Leith Apr 2018 #11

I agree, and it's still VERY questionable that she said those things anyway! George II Apr 2018 #36

Agreed! peggysue2 Apr 2018 #44

The Reichwing Benefits Leith Apr 2018 #49

x1000, Leith peggysue2 Apr 2018 #62

Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2018 #177

Greewald and supporters of a certain non-Democrat seem to be pushing this hard. LexVegas Apr 2018 #12

Its pretty obvs what theyre actually angry about, and its not LGBT issues. bettyellen Apr 2018 #42

Yeah, the nerve of PFLAG taking a position on this. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #46

Im sorry, are you suddenly PFLAG, LOL? Thats new. bettyellen Apr 2018 #48

No. But my friends are. And my parents were when they were alive. My brother and sister are. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #50

Well, there's your problem. Only straight people can determine QC Apr 2018 #166

OMG! PFLAG IS RUSSIANS!!! QC Apr 2018 #52

Gotta love all the denigration of Mueller investigation. Because its embarrassing to admit when bettyellen Apr 2018 #57

Stuff like this is why. Blue_true Apr 2018 #60

We have to insist the press vet all the leading candidates this time. They chose to only bettyellen Apr 2018 #72

Yep. Vetting can't be lopsided this time around, even as some want it to be. nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #87

Yep, that's the actual story here. It's starting early. All folks who don't love Bernie are being stevenleser Apr 2018 #93

Puhhleeease! Gimme a break... you're better than that Steven. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #96

Puhhleese yourself. You know better than that. You can't tell me you don't know whats behind this. stevenleser Apr 2018 #97

You're seriously making this about Bernie?!?! Now, I've heard EVERYTHING!! Just WOW!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #99

It's 100% about Bernie and Reid being against him. That's the motivation behind this accusation. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #101

Are you really saying Bernie Sanders is behind this? Autumn Apr 2018 #131

I never said Bernie himself was orchestrating this. His supporters, however, have stevenleser Apr 2018 #155

Bernie supporters are prominent media people? I wasn't aware there were any. Autumn Apr 2018 #158

Come back when you accurately address what I wrote. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #185

Well said. Some folk seem to think Willful Misinterpretation is an effective rhetorical strategy emulatorloo Apr 2018 #192

So true. They do not want to see Bernie vetted or even remotely questioned. R B Garr Apr 2018 #98

Hahahaha... good one!! That was sarcasm, right?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #100

You can try all the gaslighting you want, we are not fooled. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #102

Ooooh, now it''s "gaslighting"... hmmm, project much?? InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #105

Clearly you don't know what gaslighting actually means. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #107

Truth. Bernie groups are afraid of Joy Reid because she is a competent R B Garr Apr 2018 #103

You can't be serious. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #106

Your attempt at gaslighting might work if we hadn't seen this before many times. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #108

Ooh theres that word again,"gaslighting." I see youre projecting again; seen THAT before many times! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #111

Exactly. We've seen it already. nt R B Garr Apr 2018 #124

You can't be serious, either. This is not our first rodeo with R B Garr Apr 2018 #122

Are you accusin me of something nefarious? If so, just go ahead and say it... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #127

Oooh, Love it. We have seen this, too. R B Garr Apr 2018 #134

I didn't say you cant say something; just the opposite. I said if by your comment youre accusing me InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #140

Making things personal like this is always a clue. What are you talking R B Garr Apr 2018 #143

There you go again, "a clue"!! Really?!?! Sorry for tryin to have an honest conversation with you. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #146

Honest?? LOL, there is an obvious tactic of making things personal R B Garr Apr 2018 #151

Gotcha... nice work! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #153

Same to you! Right back atcha! R B Garr Apr 2018 #159

They don't like her... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #147

It's extremely shady articles like this that have me questioning the voracity of the claim. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #13

Right, I pray Ried's evidence is dead on ... these people are sick. When I read uponit7771 Apr 2018 #17

Me too, I hope she's being straight with us... no pun intended. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #109

Right, and I wonder why this died here last night and now all of a sudden this afternoon... George II Apr 2018 #38

CNN says they viewed The Library of Congress version of the archive. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #40

There's a lot more to that story than you posted. Did you read it all? George II Apr 2018 #47

I read it. What exactly are you referring to? Azathoth Apr 2018 #53

I'm referring to a lot in the article other than that one quoted paragraph in the post.... George II Apr 2018 #56

Exactly what part "refutes" that conclusion? This would be very easy if you would just state Azathoth Apr 2018 #59

There's a lot in that article that does so. I prefer to trust the conclusions drawn.... George II Apr 2018 #117

You bolster my point. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #120

Yeah, basically everybody who has looked at this... Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #130

Again, you bolster my point. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #132

*** BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! *** Post both sides of the story when it comes ... uponit7771 Apr 2018 #14

This is being pushed by Greenwald and supporters of a certain non-Democrat. LexVegas Apr 2018 #19

Got it, just wish people here who post this would give those caveats uponit7771 Apr 2018 #25

There's a lot going on about this, but the tip that for some of the posts.... George II Apr 2018 #21

CAnt believe I am reading this here. Gonna have to make some decisions, my time is Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #26

And their evidence is what? mythology Apr 2018 #32

Link and quote her saying gay sex was gross, thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 2018 #63

Right.. the freaking Greenwald Inercept.. Bullshit is Cha Apr 2018 #162

Still on TEAM REID after she trashed Biden today? WoonTars Jun 2019 #211

I dig your narratives, man! LanternWaste Apr 2018 #16

Bazinga! George II Apr 2018 #22

Yeah! I bet a man's creepy writings about a woman being raped R B Garr Apr 2018 #27

Boom... SidDithers Apr 2018 #58

Really irritated by Joy Reid aren't you? ehrnst Apr 2018 #29

On the one hand rusty fender Apr 2018 #31

The lynching of Joy Ann Reid by the Bernie left Gothmog Apr 2018 #34

Wow! They are so transparent. I remember a whole group of files on R B Garr Apr 2018 #39

The last, muted attack months ago was greeted by a wholehearted apology. The attack.... George II Apr 2018 #41

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #43

Damn this is sickening! Shades of the Al Franken set up. Is Roger Stone behind this too? workinclasszero Apr 2018 #69

A BS smear OP was launched against Sam Seder a few months ago. That one failed, thankfully. poboy2 Apr 2018 #84

Yup...nt SidDithers Apr 2018 #70

Good grief. This dissident left type is always killing the chances Hortensis Apr 2018 #75

there is a sustained animosity between both groups, so I understand the distrust of her by JCanete Apr 2018 #88

Are you kidding? Gothmog Apr 2018 #114

are YOU kididng? Did you literally contradict yourself in the course of 2 sentences? JCanete Apr 2018 #115

How is the Sanders magical voter revolution going? Gothmog Apr 2018 #118

hahaha...I can always tell when you get flustered and don't have an answer for something. You just JCanete Apr 2018 #119

You really do not realize that I am having fun laughing at your posts Gothmog Apr 2018 #126

good, then we amuse each other. JCanete Apr 2018 #137

It was a great deal of fun running you off the threads on Magical voter revolutions Gothmog Apr 2018 #154

and you say its you who lives in the real world. JCanete Apr 2018 #156

And what have you actually done in the real world? Gothmog Apr 2018 #157

They are already in 2020 primary mode. Skinner and EarlG need to create the primary forum here stevenleser Apr 2018 #94

Youve really outdone yourself this time Gothmog makin this about Bernie, but, thanks for the laugh!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #104

Really? Gothmog Apr 2018 #112

Gothmog, do you read? My comment to you was your makin this about Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #121

This needs to posted as a response to every OP discussing this. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #193

Joy Reid will stay on air at MSNBC amid outcry over alleged anti-gay posts Gothmog Apr 2018 #37

Funny how no one discusses the fact that many of the objectionable posts from years ago.... George II Apr 2018 #45

Do you have a link to the response page of said posts? Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #55

A lot harder to do now that Joy has purged the Wayback Machine... Azathoth Apr 2018 #61

OMG...she acid washed them!!! LexVegas Apr 2018 #64

So she didn't deliberately add code to purge her site? Azathoth Apr 2018 #67

Millions of codes... LexVegas Apr 2018 #68

I get it. It's all a conspiracy against Joy. Just like the moon landing. Azathoth Apr 2018 #71

Acid washed. Not a conspiracy. True. Sad. LexVegas Apr 2018 #73

You had to dig deep for that strawman. ehrnst Apr 2018 #74

Lol, someone needs to look up the definition of "strawman" Azathoth Apr 2018 #77

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #79

lol, so many posts, and you still haven't answered the question Azathoth Apr 2018 #80

And now we bring in a red herring! ehrnst Apr 2018 #83

And another misused term! You're on a roll Azathoth Apr 2018 #85

The MSNBC cyber security expert is purging his own Stormfront and Daily Syormer ties. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #76

LMAO! That mediaite site is also after Rachel Maddow, ZOMGl R B Garr Apr 2018 #86

Yep. They sure did Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #91

YES - THE ACID WASHING!! Those progressive harpies are crafty, aren't they? ehrnst Apr 2018 #82

Yeah, funny that. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #66

Here are some facts for you to ignore or not be able to understand Gothmog Apr 2018 #113

That documents (somewhat) an observation that I made earlier - seems odd that.... George II Apr 2018 #125

From the expert Gothmog Apr 2018 #128

You mean the expert who is friends with The Daily Stormer editor. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #133

Anyone who rec'd this post should think again-This is Propoganda from Russia Boxerfan Apr 2018 #123

If this was a hack job, it's absolutely outrageous what's been done to Joy & should be condemned... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #135

I recognize it. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #149

+1000 JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #179

The real question is WHY... MicaelS Apr 2018 #129

I asked that question yesterday, got a snarky question in response. But I think many know. George II Apr 2018 #150

This is old refighting the 2016 primaries and getting an early start on 2020 stevenleser Apr 2018 #174

No it isn't dsc Apr 2018 #175

Yes, it is. Its 100% blatant refighting of the primaries and getting a jump on 2020 stevenleser Apr 2018 #184

well I do care if she wrote them and I really care if she is a liar dsc Apr 2018 #188

All of us care, that again is not the issue. Do you remember what happened stevenleser Apr 2018 #190

Joan Walsh has been following and editing Joy for a long time Gothmog Apr 2018 #136

Interesting Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2018 #181

Why are you attacking Joy? People evolve you know. You should delete this. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #139

All sorts of bigots come around, it is true. David__77 Apr 2018 #167

Including the bigots falsely accusing a black woman. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #172

Well by your standards I was once a bigot and so was President Obama. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #195

Blog post said: adult gay men tend to be attracted to... post-pubescent types" David__77 Apr 2018 #199

and she says she didn't write it and has asked for an investigation...I evolved on the issue ... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #200

Thank you. David__77 Apr 2018 #204

I am so thankful that I realized my error before my daughter came out... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #208

People accepting the "Joy is evil" story are being played. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #164

Sept 2017: Attacking (Users Of) The Wayback Machine ecstatic Apr 2018 #168

Did the time-traveling hackers also hack her twitter? melman Apr 2018 #169

What specifically are you referring to? Links? nt ecstatic Apr 2018 #178

The Joy Reid Saga: The Wayback Machine cannot guarantee authenticity Gothmog Apr 2018 #170

Bunch of garbage shenmue Apr 2018 #176

Cohen took 5th in Daniels case JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #183

Its a helluva lot more important than Joy Reid BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #191

I don't know what Joy Reid said GaryCnf Apr 2018 #187

I love Joy, she's whip smart and an amazing commentator Sugarcoated Apr 2018 #194

From Malcom Nance Gothmog Apr 2018 #197

#facknews ! stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #201

anyone wanna bet that I couldnt hack the wayback machine and edit lapfog_1 Apr 2018 #203

Typical Splinter kcr Apr 2018 #205

How long until Kirsten Gillibrand demands Reid's firing? Hassler Apr 2018 #206

This OP won't age well. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #207

Bingo Malikshah Apr 2018 #210

And then -- the Internet Archive deleted the records they said supported their own claim! struggle4progress Apr 2018 #209