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Jim Lane

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175. I agree with you that the headline's wording was clickbait

Thu Apr 26, 2018, 03:16 AM

Apr 2018

As you say, its effect was to stoke animosity. Nevertheless, I also agree with Donkees's decision to follow good practice in using the linked article's headline, rather than substituting her own. There's no implication that she agrees with the headline. (BTW, even the article's author may not agree with it. No form of the word "conquer" appears except in the headline. In many publications, authors don't control the headlines, even on their own work.)

Thanks for your comment about Bernie's contribution. What's obvious from this thread (and from many others) is that some people on this board DO deprecate Bernie's contribution. If we consider the universe of all Democratic politicians and public figures, including independents who align themselves with Democrats, Bernie comes in for more bashing in DU posts than do all the others combined. I was reacting more to that atmosphere than to the specific statements in your post.

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THE WEEK: Bernie Sanders has conquered the Democratic Party [View all] Donkees Apr 2018 OP

Guaranteed work with decent pay and benefits...great! alfie Apr 2018 #1

8 People Have Half The World's Wealth PaulX2 Apr 2018 #40

What does it mean to have a billion dollars or 10 billion? Le Gaucher Apr 2018 #57

It means POWER Wednesdays Apr 2018 #158

8 have the same as the bottom 50%, they don't have half Exotica Apr 2018 #59

he will need to run as an I... samnsara Apr 2018 #2

There was no mention at all MuseRider Apr 2018 #4

Perzactly Duppers Apr 2018 #80

Filters? How would Bernsters react if someone wrote a headline: Nitram Apr 2018 #97

Yes, and Bernie has the right ideas for moving a progressive Democratic agenda forward... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #153

Perfect response. MuseRider Apr 2018 #156

Yes, yes..... if he only belonged to the right tribe! HenryWallace Apr 2018 #24

Ha! SammyWinstonJack Apr 2018 #27

Hey Bernie DownriverDem Apr 2018 #33

Hey fellow Party members... HenryWallace Apr 2018 #98

I want to win the next to elections period...I don't want to dream...these are make or break Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #128

Ah, the times they are a changin.... HenryWallace Apr 2018 #168

I think it is a number of years before that happens...and we know the winning issues. We have seen Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #169

Think gay marrage... HenryWallace Apr 2018 #170

Gay marriage took years to get first of all. Also, change creates chaos. You think people agree with Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #171

Yes, how dare he mountain grammy Apr 2018 #72

But don't you understand.... HenryWallace Apr 2018 #100

Sen. Sanders does not help the Democratic Party outside of voting for legislation. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #129

Your opinion. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #136

My opinion...I believe if he runs in 20, we lose. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #141

My opinion? mountain grammy Apr 2018 #148

Then we are totally screwed DownriverDem Apr 2018 #29

And I will hate Sen. Sanders until I die if this happens which will be much earlier than if a Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #130

Because he did that in '16? Doremus Apr 2018 #143

I said 20...I don't discuss the 16 primary as per TOS. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #157

He'll never run for pres as an I. Terrible idea, it would make an R victory more likely. (nt) thesquanderer Apr 2018 #36

Then another 4 years of Drumpf is a lock BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #124

That would spell D-I-S-A-S-T-E-R!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #151

Shooting for the stars. MuseRider Apr 2018 #3

Right. Bernie can afford to aim high and speak out for ideas that will take us Sophia4 Apr 2018 #54

Bernie invents slice bread!!!! Adrahil Apr 2018 #113

Somebody had to do it! Sophia4 Apr 2018 #122

Yeah...suggest you look up McGovern. This is a center left country and many of his ideas won't Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #131

I worked on the McGovern campaign. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #160

Shoot for the stars. Even if you miss, you still end up on the Moon. NickB79 Apr 2018 #144

Couldn't have said it better... OilemFirchen Apr 2018 #147

... SidDithers Apr 2018 #5

I love you. betsuni Apr 2018 #17

You too... SidDithers Apr 2018 #19

A number of Democrats have been pushing for a federal jobs program for years. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #6

Exactly. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #10

And Trump Convinced All Them "Working Folks" To Vote For Him How? PaulX2 Apr 2018 #18

The federal government wasnt a swamp. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #21

NC We Used To Have Cooks In The Army We Now Have Halliburton / KBR PaulX2 Apr 2018 #26

When the federal govt pays more attention to "special interests" than shanny Apr 2018 #51

Im all for lobbyist and special interests. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #53

Why should I not distrust a government that shanny Apr 2018 #66

My outrage is not limited to them. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #71

I'm a bit taken aback to see shanny Apr 2018 #79

I agree Exotica Apr 2018 #120

Elections have consequences. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #133

Wow. shanny Apr 2018 #161

Why are people here allowed to call our democrats in government a SWAMP? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #103

They voted for trump because he promised to shit on the people they hate LuvLoogie Apr 2018 #107

Posted with no comment.... HenryWallace Apr 2018 #25

It Would Be Better To Let The 1% Just Keep The Money PaulX2 Apr 2018 #30

.... I must have not made myself clear (again) HenryWallace Apr 2018 #93

Feel free to comment. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #44

No need to comment... You did a pretty good job! HenryWallace Apr 2018 #91

It is not are these ideas which were presented BEFORE Bernie mentioned them by democrats, Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #108

I one hundred percent agree with your sentiment here. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #117

Which comes first; the chicken or the egg... HenryWallace Apr 2018 #146

ignoring this Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #149

The Week is always trying to get us to subscribe by sending us free copies. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #56

That's what bothers me. These are not new ideas, nor are they original to Sanders. LisaM Apr 2018 #101

This is a pretty good read. Might interest you. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #106

But, as you clearly see, it doesn't matter unless Bernie says it. Thanks for posting this! tonyt53 Apr 2018 #105

... Maven Apr 2018 #7

Does anyone know what type of jobs would be offered? AJT Apr 2018 #8

Infrastructure improvements. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #62

Because conquering the Democratic Party, not the KGOP, is the ultimate goal? MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #9

+1 treestar Apr 2018 #14

The first is how you get the second, if you believe that bold liberal ideas are the key to victory. thesquanderer Apr 2018 #48

You nailed it! His lifelong dream. justhanginon Apr 2018 #60

. ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #11

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #12

We Could Pay For This By Taxing The Folks With 50 TRILLION In The Tax Havens PaulX2 Apr 2018 #13

A Trillion here, A Trillion there, pretty soon we're talking big money. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2018 #32

Great idea, agreed. We of course CANT do that anytime soon so I say how Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #110

Where the fuck did that overblown headline come from? n/t Orsino Apr 2018 #15

Headlines are designed to be provocative and draw attention. thesquanderer Apr 2018 #49

Misleading and untrue headlines like that help along a narrative that he has conquered the party Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #111

What exactly? treestar Apr 2018 #16

re: "What policies have they adopted?" thesquanderer Apr 2018 #41

NO BS hasn't.. although some are certainly Cha Apr 2018 #20

I'm for putting Bernie on hold unless and until he reveals his income taxes. oasis Apr 2018 #28

Yes, it's about time.. all of Cha Apr 2018 #31

How can we take his pie-in-the-sky proposals seriously when he oasis Apr 2018 #45

Excellent Cha Apr 2018 #46

The article is not about Bernie, it's about the ideas, and how others are running with them. (nt) thesquanderer Apr 2018 #50

How ONE person calling themselves a liberal would NOT DEMAND he release Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #112

The non release of income taxes is BAGGAGE. Imagine oasis Apr 2018 #116

I am so tired of this bullshit. smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #163

K&R for Bernie!! zentrum Apr 2018 #22

A lot of folks not liking this story hueymahl Apr 2018 #23

I need for non Democrats to not invade the Democraticundgerground trixie2 Apr 2018 #35

The childishness on this site has reached epic proportions hueymahl Apr 2018 #39

He has always caucused with the Dems. He ran as a Dem in the primary. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #67

I would rather he would be quiet...minimum wage raise ...yes please the country supports this... Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #127

Ideas are being discussed. Duppers Apr 2018 #82

Something about Bernie just pisses people off. SammyWinstonJack Apr 2018 #37

Something? The fact that he has never been supportive of the Democratic Party. Not even when he was Nitram Apr 2018 #47

"never been supportive of the D party"? shanny Apr 2018 #52

Is Bernie trueblue or green?...nt SidDithers Apr 2018 #85

Caucused in support of issues he agreed with. Some Republicans do that too on occasion. Nitram Apr 2018 #89

Never means never. eom shanny Apr 2018 #102

Never supported Democrats. Supported Democratic issues that he agreed with. Nitram Apr 2018 #104

Here's a clue for you -- RandomAccess Apr 2018 #125

We agree. shanny Apr 2018 #162

It's Complicated Nitram PaulX2 Apr 2018 #58

Exactly. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #73

Buckets full of money in politics has been a problem since forever nolabels Apr 2018 #76

How can we know money doesn't push Bernie KitSileya Apr 2018 #121

Exactly, Nitram.. Cha Apr 2018 #69

When HRC was in the Senate they voted the same way 93 percent of the time BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #70

A troll? MuseRider Apr 2018 #75

There could be no explanation for the headline other than to get a rise out of Democrats. Nitram Apr 2018 #88

The poster who posted MuseRider Apr 2018 #90

If this were not the DEMOCRATIC Underground forum I'd agree. Nitram Apr 2018 #95

Then perhaps you should MuseRider Apr 2018 #96

On the contrary, if you've read the TOS you know the highest principle is to "Support Democrats." Nitram Apr 2018 #99

And you are being that positive ideal? MuseRider Apr 2018 #114

No Legislation Can Get Passed Unless The 1% Makes Out Like Bandits PaulX2 Apr 2018 #92

This Wasn't Bernie's Idea PaulX2 Apr 2018 #34

Correct and not a single thing about Bernie MuseRider Apr 2018 #74

Yes, yes, yes! Victor_c3 Apr 2018 #38

Tax The Billionaires Not Force Hard Working Business Owners To Earn Less PaulX2 Apr 2018 #42

Who?? Lil Missy Apr 2018 #43

Even Donald Trump in the 2016 Presidential Campaign panfluteman Apr 2018 #55

I think you are right. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #65

Trump is a con man. If he copied what Bernie was saying, R B Garr Apr 2018 #164

ahahhahahaha mshasta Apr 2018 #61

...and the purpose for posting this here is? n/t Still In Wisconsin Apr 2018 #63

HELP! HELP! johnp3907 Apr 2018 #64

good one! mshasta Apr 2018 #68

... NurseJackie Apr 2018 #77

Also: Maven Apr 2018 #81

Love it! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #84

There's more! sheshe2 Apr 2018 #137

That's great! An animated gif is worth a thousand (or more) words. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #154

True. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #155

... Maven Apr 2018 #159

I'm thinking this is a fucking joke BoneyardDem Apr 2018 #78

Sanders again... MFM008 Apr 2018 #83

"Conquered"? Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #86

stupid way to frame this. But I'm happy for Democrats to actually push for progressive policies ProfessorPlum Apr 2018 #87

Hmm... the party of FDR... dawg day Apr 2018 #109

golly gee ProfessorPlum Apr 2018 #118

Hummm peggysue2 Apr 2018 #94

Probably not the Horseshoe Theory. OilemFirchen Apr 2018 #135

... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #138

LOL Sugarcoated Apr 2018 #115

The framing of Sanders influence, whatever it has been, as conquering the party is not at all JCanete Apr 2018 #119

It wasn't all because of Bernie but his campaign was a factor Jim Lane Apr 2018 #172

Hey Jim, I certainly didn't mean to undermine Sanders contribution to our current politicdal climate JCanete Apr 2018 #173

I agree with you that the headline's wording was clickbait Jim Lane Apr 2018 #175

No he hasn't Progressive dog Apr 2018 #123

... BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #126

The insurance companies killed single payer but the obtuse Bernie fans refuse to acknowledge it Kolesar Apr 2018 #132

And how did they do that? Who fails to acknowlege that insurance companies have undue influence? nt JCanete Apr 2018 #174

Why don't you ever participate in your own threads? OilemFirchen Apr 2018 #134

+++ sheshe2 Apr 2018 #140

Hey She! OilemFirchen Apr 2018 #145

I could say more... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #150

Enola Gay didn't hang around, either, after all. n/t DFW Apr 2018 #167

Good catch...eom Kolesar Apr 2018 #177

If he actually joined the party he'd be perfect.... Blue_Tires Apr 2018 #139

* sigh sheshe2 Apr 2018 #142

Way too many Bernie threads popping up at DU right now. Paladin Apr 2018 #152

Teilen und siegen, as they say in Dresden DFW Apr 2018 #165

When did he rejoin the Democratic Party? Inquiring minds want to know. nt Hekate Apr 2018 #166

Lolz oh bullshit. JNelson6563 Apr 2018 #176