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89. I have not been in the loop about all this, so my comment is from way outside
Thu Apr 26, 2018, 04:30 PM
Apr 2018

I didn't even know there way anything going on about Joy Reid until a few hours ago.

But one pair of questions raised here stuck in my mind.

1.) "What's the difference if it was ten years ago?"
and then
2.) "Wouldn't we care if it were a Republican?"

I'll start with #2: Of course WE would care if it were a Republican. If it were some comment that could cause them trouble today, I have no doubt we would trumpet it from the highest hills while THEY try to ignore it. The difference here is that THEY are trumpeting this from the highest hills, and instead of ignoring it, WE are lighting a campfire and doing a war dance around it. Why? Human sacrifice back in style this week or something?

Then there is #1. I haven't even seen what this was all about, so I don't know what her supposedly offensive comments were. From a few descriptions, it appears she made some comments including not wanting to watch Brokeback Mountain because she doesn't want to watch gay sex, something like that? I haven't seen the film, but I did see something here in Germany called "Taxi Zum Klo," a raunchy film with graphic depictions of gay sex (written, starring and directed by a gay man in Berlin). It came out almost 40 years ago. This film was so raunchy, it wasn't cleared for uncut viewing in England until THIRTY years after it was made. And yeah, it took an effort for me to sit through it, even though I've always had close gay friends since way before the film came out. But hell, I never asked to follow them to bed any more than they asked me. To each his (or her) own. But to construe this as some kind of "anti" attitude is just so much BS.

Maybe I've got this wrong, but it does indeed seem like Al Franken all over again. Plant some kind of seed from some out-of-context thing that isn't anything remotely like it is being made out to be, and let the piranhas feast on their brothers and sisters that had the bad luck to get a scratch that is bleeding. FRanken didn't mount a forceful defense because he knew the "allegations" against him were total fabrications, and didn't feel a need to defend himself against something he knew to be false in the first place. How was he to know that thirty plus Democratic Senators would be gullible enough to fall for it? I don't know what's going on here with Joy Reid, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out it was something similar.

Just be prepared, everyone. Rachel Maddow likes to vacation on Cape Cod, where we do a lot of whale watching. Some enterprising Republican blogger will surely find a video clip of Rachel, prior to some upcoming meal, commenting that she is "so hungry she could eat a whale." Suddenly, I promise you, there will be posts going viral claiming that Rachel Maddow is a secret fan of whale meat, and that she is on film supporting the cruel whaling expeditions of fleets from Japan, Iceland and Norway. Just wait for the calls on DU for her to resign from her show, and slink back in shame to the Berkshires, never to be heard from again. Think that's over the top? That is how they do it. Resignations for nothing and bad reps for free.

Stinky is 100% correct. This is not over until we stop falling for it. Accessory to murder after the fact also goes for character assassination, as far as I'm concerned.

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K&R HipChick Apr 2018 #1
What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty? ollie10 Apr 2018 #2
Are we doing that with RUMP? Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #45
False equivalancy ollie10 Apr 2018 #88
Totally.. trump is fucking guilty. Cha Apr 2018 #97
You like that devil's advocate thing there I did. Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #103
Why yes; Yes we are. nt fleabiscuit Apr 2018 #101
I'm sitting here thinking the same thing nini Apr 2018 #3
There is a certain crowd that just can't help themselves leftofcool Apr 2018 #4
Then we should buy them bus tickets to Dumbfuckistan where they will fit right in. Stinky The Clown Apr 2018 #10
Yep leftofcool Apr 2018 #14
duh Larrybanal Apr 2018 #79
Its nice there. They have vodka on the outside of the bottle and build houses from the roof down. dameatball Apr 2018 #83
I don't think many of them are Democrats or on the "left". George II Apr 2018 #66
Once again, we agree. MineralMan Apr 2018 #5
Honestly, most of it is well-intentioned, I think... Adrahil Apr 2018 #6
I don't think it's well-intentioned at all. I think it's targeted & deliberate. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #55
Yes leftofcool Apr 2018 #57
Oh I think it is initiated that way for sure. Nt Adrahil Apr 2018 #95
Going 'high' will kill us all. But thats okay, we will die with grace I suppose. poboy2 Apr 2018 #60
If the standard is perfection Bettie Apr 2018 #70
"All they have to do is give it a nudge and our side will do their work for them." mac56 Apr 2018 #78
A lot of it is purposeful. Blue_true Apr 2018 #92
I dont disagree. Nt Adrahil Apr 2018 #98
To me it is extra frustrating RockRaven Apr 2018 #7
Some people can't help it vercetti2021 Apr 2018 #8
"Purity"... MANative Apr 2018 #9
And if she said those things and is lying about it mythology Apr 2018 #11
Is she helping to fight against Trump and the right? peabody Apr 2018 #13
That is the EXACT mindset that got us Trump krawhitham Apr 2018 #22
And thats why they won. peabody Apr 2018 #28
If you want to become them, then vote with them krawhitham Apr 2018 #35
Im a Democrat and will always vote Democratic peabody Apr 2018 #41
Wait tazkcmo Apr 2018 #64
They are already fading because most people just don't give a shit about a 10 year old blog leftofcool Apr 2018 #16
And Of Course, Nobody Grows In 10 Years ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #17
Then own up to it and say you were wrong krawhitham Apr 2018 #25
What about "she has already admitted to some of the old posts" did you not understand? leftofcool Apr 2018 #32
Yes the 1st round she did, the 2nd round she claimed it was all hacks krawhitham Apr 2018 #43
Apparently cannot understand. Last night certain DUers were taking it to mean she's guilty as sin... Hekate Apr 2018 #44
Yes being rtfckd by also-rans and the Assange crowd leftofcool Apr 2018 #56
There Are Contrary Opinions ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #99
"said gay men like children" NCTraveler Apr 2018 #20
A friend of mine on Twitter put it well: Saviolo Apr 2018 #69
Kick! peabody Apr 2018 #12
Because the left has its own factions.... Fresh_Start Apr 2018 #15
Not everyone on the Left are Democrats. Plenty of socialists, communists, and anarchists BlueCaliDem Apr 2018 #18
Wow. You actually think that socialists want R's in power? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #26
Yes, I believe they do. leftofcool Apr 2018 #30
Do you know any socialists in real life? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #37
Quite a few actually and most of the ones I know seems to like Trump leftofcool Apr 2018 #42
Truth! Wwcd Apr 2018 #90
Yes. Several have said so outright. Blue_true Apr 2018 #93
Yeah. I do. BlueCaliDem Apr 2018 #100
Exactly! leftofcool Apr 2018 #27
They saw Trump v. Clinton, and saw Trump as the lesser of two evils. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #48
And when the camps were set up, both the Social Democrats and Communists were first DBoon Apr 2018 #51
Yep TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #63
Kick and Rec ProfessorGAC Apr 2018 #19
K&R workinclasszero Apr 2018 #21
Liberals are more delicious than conservatives IronLionZion Apr 2018 #23
Assuming this is Joy Reid related: Why can't we criticize our own? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #24
She did own up to it. leftofcool Apr 2018 #29
She has apologized for arguing that Crist is a closet homosexual. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #33
Try reading the whole fucking letter leftofcool Apr 2018 #36
So she is apologizing for those thing that she says she didn't write? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #40
That's not what's happening here. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #50
You really think the Internet Archive was hacked? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #52
It doesn't matter leftofcool Apr 2018 #58
If it wasn't hacked, then Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #59
The posts seem to have magically appeared in the last 6 months TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #61
Do you know how the Internet Archive works? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #68
That's what the Internet Archive says. Covering their ass. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #81
You don't think it was Hacked? Tribalceltic Apr 2018 #82
At the very least Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2018 #31
I am sorry, that does not support the agenda of a certain crowd of people leftofcool Apr 2018 #39
Wish I could give you a million recs malaise Apr 2018 #34
Hear, Hear! smirkymonkey Apr 2018 #38
Yes, at least the right wing is honest about their racism and bigotry. leftofcool Apr 2018 #46
IT GETS A LOT OF HELP FROM THE RIGHT (n/t) FreepFryer Apr 2018 #47
"Hang together or hange separately" DBoon Apr 2018 #49
Right there with you! Didn't we learn ANYTHING after Franken? bitterross Apr 2018 #53
Not ENOUGH liberals will read your comment and think... maddiemom Apr 2018 #62
More like DownriverDem Apr 2018 #74
Because no 180 million people marybourg Apr 2018 #54
so when is that happening in your opinoin, and when isn't it happening? This really means nothing to JCanete Apr 2018 #65
Going to be a lot of noise inside the big tent party askyagerz Apr 2018 #67
Uhm...it's kind of why we're "the left." Atman Apr 2018 #71
K&R ! Owl Apr 2018 #72
Totally agree DownriverDem Apr 2018 #73
You and me both EffieBlack Apr 2018 #75
Love it or leave it? BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #76
One may support the team and still not agree with the players management is backing Magoo48 Apr 2018 #77
The right wing is terrified of her eleny Apr 2018 #80
self-righteous superiority, is my guess. WhiteTara Apr 2018 #84
What the heck are you talking about? NWProf Apr 2018 #85
We seem to fall for the obvious rat f!@#ing every time. caballojm Apr 2018 #86
I'm a proud liberal, like Kennedy. zentrum Apr 2018 #87
I have not been in the loop about all this, so my comment is from way outside DFW Apr 2018 #89
Stinky, you're being stinky Blue_true Apr 2018 #91
with all due respect my friend garybeck Apr 2018 #94
+1 KTM Apr 2018 #102
thanks. glad to know i'm not the only one garybeck May 2018 #105
DINO DUNG OhNo-Really Apr 2018 #96
Not always sure who is on our team. MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #104
Will Rogers: "I'm not a member of any organized political party. I'm a Democrat." VOX May 2018 #106
The enemy of good is perfect nolabels May 2018 #107
Face it. We taste good. grantcart May 2018 #108
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