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PatrickforO

(15,498 posts)
63. You know, we should talk about that, though.
Sat Apr 28, 2018, 11:36 AM
Apr 2018

Not really you and I, but 'us' as a group of Democrats.

If we really want to get somewhere, we have to stay together.

Now, I'm a white guy in his late fifties, so take what I say with that particular grain of salt. But, here's the thing. From my perspective, the old civil rights movement was working. When it stopped working was when the black activists split off.

The women's movement broke off on its own, as you say, and became the weaker for it.

The antiwar protests over Vietnam petered out and everyone sort of went their own way.

The LGBTQ people protested, were ridiculed, beaten bloody and murdered for no reason but who they are.

Then many in my (our?) generation sold out and focused on personal enrichment rather than making our society a better place for all.

Now, we've become little better than a nation of sociopaths, it seems, and we Democrats are often accused of 'identity politics.'

Having been poor and having been disabled, I can readily understand and feel the anger of the poor and the disabled.

Having never been black, or female, I cannot so readily understand and feel that anger.

But it seems to me if we all stick together and quit splitting off, we might just get some ECONOMIC and some SOCIAL justice. I'm still smarting, you know, from Bernie's defeat because of the 'he's a racist' meme that went around - to me clearly a right wing (Russian?) smear designed specifically to divide us so that we could be conquered.

So, our candidate Clinton won by nearly 3 million votes, but was defeated because the Republicans cheated yet again. This is the third time they've cheated in a presidential election since 2000. They are ripping apart everything good this nation ever had going for it, and systematically raping our treasury and the earth itself.

But now...hey, how about that Joy Reid??? Gosh, blah, blah, blah.

You see how gullible we are as a group. We're debating the Joy Reid blog from a decade ago WHEN OUR SOCIAL, ECONOMIC, POLITICAL AND MORAL FABRIC IS BEING RIPPED APART RIGHT IN FRONT OF US.

Not to lecture you per se, and please do excuse the rant. But I'll tell you (and whoever else reads this) that we must stick together and stop falling for right wing smear jobs and the old divide-and-conquer strategy that has been used by the monied classes over, and over, and over, and over against us until we might as well...what?...acquiesce and accept the primacy of the billionaire parasites, the MIC and big corporations?

NEVER.

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K&R... spanone Apr 2018 #1
I will add that I stand AGAINST anyone disseminating this disinformation/fraud on DU hlthe2b Apr 2018 #2
Abso-fucking-lutely again... SidDithers Apr 2018 #6
Yup ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #14
Who stands to benefit? PatrickforO Apr 2018 #3
There are racists and misogynists on the far left ehrnst Apr 2018 #52
You know, we should talk about that, though. PatrickforO Apr 2018 #63
I think that the women's movement especially was the stronger for it. ehrnst Apr 2018 #66
No, I'm afraid you're missing my point. PatrickforO Apr 2018 #68
I think I got your point. ehrnst Apr 2018 #73
WE Need To Focus On Economics Me. Apr 2018 #75
I stand with Joy and told MSNBC that ...tell them. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #4
It's interesting and instructive to see how quick "liberals" are to throw LGBT people under the bus. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #5
It's interesting that you interpret these events that way. Adrahil Apr 2018 #8
Because I know how to look at evidence and use logic. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #11
There are no comments on the post from a decade ago and there's ghosting of text on those uponit7771 Apr 2018 #13
That's not possible. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #18
The lack of comments is the biggest tell tale, like Maddow saying something inartful about uponit7771 Apr 2018 #24
Then why are many the same posts in separate web archives with contemporary archival timestamps? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #27
Because scraping sites aren't discriminate of the source, her experts are saying her blog could've uponit7771 Apr 2018 #28
Her blog would've had to've been "hacked" the day after the supposed posts. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #30
The Hardaway post isn't the one being screamed over, those don't have ghosting around the text uponit7771 Apr 2018 #32
Please look at the bigger picture here. This dissent is exactly what they want and will/ are Thekaspervote Apr 2018 #40
Planted...yes it can be done. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #70
Please become familiar with how the archive can be spoofed, altered, changed, corrupted: ecstatic Apr 2018 #34
Both the Internet Archive and the Library of Congress archive, though? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #35
One feeds the other and I don't care whether you buy it or not...as I said before I don't care I Joy Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #71
+1 dalton99a Apr 2018 #39
Why is it that the posts under scrutiny have NO comments. Blue_true Apr 2018 #19
*** DING DING DING !!! *** uponit7771 Apr 2018 #25
One huge clue that they were invented recently. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #54
why wouldn't they have just spoofed comments? I'm not really weighing in here. i think we can wait, JCanete Apr 2018 #61
Something that controversial would surely have comments treestar Apr 2018 #65
And all the evidence points to her not writing these posts. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #20
You can see the date something was archived. Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #23
LoC scrapes just like TWBM and any scraping site would pick up the hacked post ... uponit7771 Apr 2018 #26
And I guess her Twitter account was hacked, as well? Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #38
Link and quote? Thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 2018 #42
... Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #45
I guess nobody is buying your bullshit. Vinnie From Indy Apr 2018 #76
For which she has apologized for Tarc Apr 2018 #44
And all of the people she was dealing with - her freinds, coworkers, editors & followers TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #31
Right, all these people missed these post uponit7771 Apr 2018 #33
It's interesting & instructive to see how quick some claiming to support LGBT people are TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #9
Amen to that Thekaspervote Apr 2018 #41
Bazinga! George II Apr 2018 #74
It is interesting and instructive to see how quickly "liberals" demand a friend's head TomSlick Apr 2018 #10
Joy has made the cardinal sin of not supplicating to the chosen one. nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Midwestern Democrat Apr 2018 #12
Wow. It is interesting how fast you grabbed for the moral high ground option. Blue_true Apr 2018 #15
eh. I am used to it. nt m-lekktor Apr 2018 #16
You disappoint me. It was also "interesting and instructive" how quick LGBT DUers were to claim... Hekate Apr 2018 #47
I mostly remember Obama saying "marriage is between a man and a woman" Spider Jerusalem Apr 2018 #48
From where I sit, I watched the methodical working-out of a plan to change the laws... Hekate Apr 2018 #49
I see it amongst the white straight male left a lot. ehrnst Apr 2018 #53
Do LGBT people really benefit if Joy Reid is taken down? treestar Apr 2018 #64
Yep, and you've been making very good points. SMC22307 Apr 2018 #67
It i interesting to see how some want to throw a good progressive under the bus for remarks made Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #69
I see there are several ... call them kumbaya threads being posted on DU over this. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #7
Cui? aikoaiko Apr 2018 #17
Thanks... MrScorpio Apr 2018 #29
"Who benefits?" ehrnst Apr 2018 #51
He wasnt asking. He was helping the op with the proper spelling. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #55
I was responding to the post ehrnst Apr 2018 #57
Yeah but he and the op already worked it out on Wednesday. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #58
I guess I'm late to the party. ehrnst Apr 2018 #59
I think Bono will be fine. BannonsLiver Apr 2018 #22
Recommended H2O Man Apr 2018 #36
#METOO raven mad Apr 2018 #37
ImWithHer. Those who wish to silence Joy are no friends of Democrats. oasis Apr 2018 #43
I stand with Joy, and against those "progressives" who can't wait to tear her down... Hekate Apr 2018 #46
Yup, it's especially frustrating peabody Apr 2018 #50
Well, she did commit what many white straight lefty men thought was heresy. ehrnst Apr 2018 #60
Oh, there are some Leftbros who have been trying to get her fired Blue_Tires Apr 2018 #56
Are they leftist? I don't think so...they are rightie enablers. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #72
I stand with Joy Reid! Ilsa Apr 2018 #62
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