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SunsetDreams

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259. Well

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 05:20 AM

Aug 2012

As I said Democrats should fight against rumor. I'm not going to get into making up my own definition of what was stated "preserves the promise" or otherwise. There is no reason to just go around and speculate on that. It seems kind of curious why there is so much time spent on speculation of what was said and rumor mill. My time is better spent on fighting against something that was actually proposed, you know like Republicans wanting to privatize it? Sorry I've made post after post in this thread with links to back it up. You even have a DUer here who gets a comment basically ignored that theirs has not been cut, in fact they even got a cost of living adjustment this year.

We will just have to agree to disagree on rumors and speculation. I plan on concentrating my energy on what is about to happen, ie legislation being proposed, what's actually being said, and fighting to keep the damn Republicans out of office. Have a nice night, like I said I'm agreeing to disagree here and leaving it at that.

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True Democrats don't work to slash Social Security. They don't. Not Ever. [View all] MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 OP

K&R. Brickbat Jul 2012 #1

K to the R TransitJohn Jul 2012 #2

"These people should be thrown out of our party. " ProSense Jul 2012 #3

Barack Obama appointed Simpson and Bowles, the two most virulent haters of Social Security on MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #5

Biting the empty air again, Manny? banned from Kos Jul 2012 #6

Simpson-Bowles is dead MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #8

The ProSense Jul 2012 #7

And again MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #9

Are you implying that President Obama should be "thrown out of our party"? ProSense Jul 2012 #10

If he is for cutting SS then yes. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #21

If? ProSense Jul 2012 #25

I love this part ProSense Jul 2012 #29

I'm surprised you'd publicly admit to it MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #30

Obama's gonna announce the cuts in the SOTU ProSense Jul 2012 #34

I predicted he'd call for cuts and he did MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #37

Yeah, ProSense Jul 2012 #43

Are you for real? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #73

Good god. I hadn't seen that clip before. woo me with science Jul 2012 #88

"That was the beginning of his cutesy "cut vs. slash" crap: " ProSense Jul 2012 #131

Manny is the master of "willful confusion". Reminds me a lot of the current "You Didn't Build That" emulatorloo Jul 2012 #156

It's so simple, raise the income subject to tax. Does it take an actuary? xtraxritical Jul 2012 #194

I don't love it. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #54

This ProSense Jul 2012 #129

I was using him as an example. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #208

+ 1...Yes it is..There are a number here not old enough to remember the Democratic Party pre-Clinton whathehell Jul 2012 #189

That's it in a nutshell. The current favorite neo-democratic plan calls for 2 to 1 cuts Dragonfli Jul 2012 #217

Sad to realize tht so many in office are truedelphi Jul 2012 #218

Simple alert bait, you mean. FiveGoodMen Jul 2012 #216

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #33

Yes, dead ProSense Jul 2012 #35

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #165

Yes, it was a terrible day when Obama signed the Catfood Law emulatorloo Jul 2012 #168

just wait pepito Jul 2012 #173

I've got two words for you - Ryan Budget. A tangible existing REAL plan to destroy the safety net. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #174

uhhmm pepito Jul 2012 #180

Obama's "Secret Plan" versus Ryan's Real Plan emulatorloo Jul 2012 #184

ive seen massive poverty pepito Jul 2012 #210

Only Nixon could go to China.. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #237

I have to add that Obama must not believe that the Social Security Trust Fund JDPriestly Jul 2012 #57

Did you see the recent article by Dean Baker? abelenkpe Jul 2012 #58

And he appointed Bernanke and Geithner. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #55

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #67

'FUCK seniors and savers'??? So you agree with Republican Alan Simpson then? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #134

No that wasn't sarcasm. Never thought I would see a regular poster on DU post that and still Autumn Jul 2012 #150

+1. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #257

Completely appalling to read that here suffragette Jul 2012 #154

He needs to be banned from here, as well. closeupready Jul 2012 #171

Actually, seniors and savers are trying to live on the fruits of their own labor. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #143

Nobody ever mentions that Baby Boomers paid *twice*, for themselves and the previous generation newthinking Jul 2012 #212

THANK YOU!....n/t whathehell Jul 2012 #221

I agree with you. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #246

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, especially if you're an attorney. nt patrice Jul 2012 #128

NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO POINT FINGERS!!! Hotler Jul 2012 #230

And subsequently tossed that report in the recycle bin, and we got sequester instead Hippo_Tron Aug 2012 #297

"If President Obama ever cuts Social Security, I'll personally kick his ass." R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2012 #69

My bad ProSense Jul 2012 #109

Not at all. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2012 #120

"if he were to cut SS when he is re-elected" IF IF IF. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #177

Folks here have short memories. The only reason it hasn't already happened newthinking Jul 2012 #213

If he didn't intend to "compromise" he wouldn't be pretending like their talking points have merit. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #320

Yes, we do have the Ryan plan. And the only way to stop Republicans from destroying the sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #219

Really. I was asking from a clarification from the poster prosense. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2012 #222

Kicking shoes are a lot like "comfortable shoes." hay rick Jul 2012 #199

Sure you will. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #236

SS and Medicare are worth fighting for. Any Dem who doesn't isn't a Dem. n/t Avalux Jul 2012 #4

Manny, Manny, Manny.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #11

Briefing room word games: What's a 'slash' versus a 'cut' in Social Security? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #13

Not "slash", but completely agreeable to, if not eager for, "cuts". NorthCarolina Jul 2012 #148

Very true madokie Jul 2012 #12

It has been frozen for a couple of years, seniors are dropping behind as costs climb. braddy Jul 2012 #14

K&R Change has come Jul 2012 #15

Preach it! Mojorabbit Jul 2012 #16

I have friends between 65 and 69. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #59

The verbiage is wrong PSPS Jul 2012 #17

The Social Security Insurance Trust Fund can loan out money. DhhD Jul 2012 #18

You're wrong on one point.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #19

The payroll tax holiday is Obama's work, Obama's fault. No one, not even JDPriestly Jul 2012 #63

That's assuming you think they actually are being repaid. JayhawkSD Jul 2012 #157

DURec !! bvar22 Jul 2012 #20

Another Democrat ProSense Jul 2012 #23

Good question! JDPriestly Jul 2012 #64

This guy agrees with you on a "simple lifting of the Cap" . bvar22 Jul 2012 #196

Right! JDPriestly Aug 2012 #244

Exactly. You see clearly what is going on. And no matter how many denials there are, those facts sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #303

The payroll tax holiday OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #48

Yeah. I just read about Kerrey's 10 point plan to save SS. pa28 Jul 2012 #22

Protecting SS does not "poll well" with the Very Serious People.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #24

Kick & Rec!!! jannyk Jul 2012 #26

22%, right Manny?...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #27

IIRC, Simpson Bowles calls for a 22% cut in benefits MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #28

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #32

oh, it's Manny, campaigning against Obama in an election season again. bless your little heart for dionysus Jul 2012 #31

so, when did Obama say he wants to cut social security? quinnox Jul 2012 #50

I'd much rather have putrid shoes and speak the truth Cherchez la Femme Aug 2012 #248

To All The Poster's Jumping Manny's Post... WillyT Jul 2012 #36

I like! MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #39

What would it matter in the long run, Manny? If President Obama does agree to the great bargain R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2012 #96

Wow ProSense Jul 2012 #40

No Pro... There Are Numbers Of Stories, All Un-sourced, That Leads Some Of Us To Believe This Is... WillyT Jul 2012 #44

Yeah ProSense Jul 2012 #49

I can't understand why so many people feel this way?? kentuck Jul 2012 #60

Oh, I don't ProSense Jul 2012 #62

For the same reasons 99% Teabaggers "feel" that Obama has raised their taxes emulatorloo Jul 2012 #161

"There Are Numbers of Stories, All -->UN_SOURCED<---" emulatorloo Jul 2012 #147

New To Politics, Are We ??? WillyT Jul 2012 #232

Obama is a neoliberal.. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #238

Pro Sense, if Obama does agree to a deal on Social Security, JDPriestly Jul 2012 #66

Nothing ProSense Jul 2012 #70

What exactly has Obama been waiting on? SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #74

Obama hasn't gotten the Bush tax cuts repealed for the wealthiest MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #75

Wait ProSense Jul 2012 #80

they were going to "automatically expire" once before Doctor_J Jul 2012 #229

At least that is something he wants SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #81

Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #82

Another Democrat ProSense Jul 2012 #83

Are you claiming that Conyers is lying? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #85

Oh, ProSense Jul 2012 #87

I never claimed that. MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #93

Yes SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #92

Really? John Conyers Owes the President an Apology SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #91

Right, it's not cuts -- just adjustments that will result in lower benefits. eomer Jul 2012 #146

Has Social Security been cut? SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #182

Well, mine hasn't. RebelOne Jul 2012 #191

Your social security hasn't been cut? SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #205

Are you making a distinction between "lowering" and "cutting" benefits? eomer Jul 2012 #226

White House Statement: SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #251

What does "preserves the promise" mean? eomer Aug 2012 #255

Well SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #259

yes, let's not discuss it until it happens. by which time it will be too late to do anything. what HiPointDem Aug 2012 #249

I have no problem with discussion SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #250

I call a new formula that results in people getting less benefits a plan to cut benefits -- as would HiPointDem Aug 2012 #253

Oh I see, SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #254

who are you trying to kid? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #256

Oh another rumor mill piece lol SunsetDreams Aug 2012 #260

The NYT is now the rumor mill? I can't imagine what you think a legitimate news outlet is, then. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #261

I can't believe you are posting links to that sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #269

The link you posted is full of people bashing DU.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #288

Yep. There are those that want to change historical memory on this board newthinking Jul 2012 #214

It proves there is no Boehner and Cantor in MannyLand emulatorloo Jul 2012 #200

Should Lincoln have fired his losing generals? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #225

I think you got that backwards. It is the very existence of Cantor and Boehner in Mannyland sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #270

Nailed IT!!! bvar22 Aug 2012 #308

+1. "To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully HiPointDem Aug 2012 #319

If Obama gets a second term, which I desperately hope he does, I suspect there will be no compromise still_one Jul 2012 #166

he could have divined that out after 6 months Doctor_J Jul 2012 #231

I hope so. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #245

If Obama ends up cutting Social Security or Medicare, I GUARANTEE you, all the people Marr Jul 2012 #242

Du rec. Nt xchrom Jul 2012 #38

Got any other purity tests? (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #41

Reestablishing slavery or child labor MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #46

Child Labor *remains* 100% legal in the United States. Always shocks people. Romulox Jul 2012 #215

No, it doesn't "remain 100% legal." HiPointDem Aug 2012 #258

Um, yes, it is. I quoted the relevant regulations, verbatim, as they appear on BLS.gov. Romulox Aug 2012 #263

And the *exact same* information from the DOL website. Romulox Aug 2012 #264

You miss my point. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #265

You don't have a point; you're contrary to be contrary. Much of our food is picked by CHILDREN. Romulox Aug 2012 #266

"remains 100% legal". child labor does not *remain* *100%* *legal* -- e.g. we no longer have child HiPointDem Aug 2012 #267

So now we are playing games of semantics? No thanks. Find someone else to follow around. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #272

What do you mean 'playing games of semantics'? Could you clarify that sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #273

Child labor is most certainly legal in this country, in the agricultural field. It's a disgrace, Romulox Aug 2012 #277

Ah, you are talking about Farming. Those laws do not translate into 'child labor is 100% legal' sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #309

You responded to me with "And do you have a link to your claim that 'most of our food..." You knew Romulox Aug 2012 #312

Let me remind me of what you said. You said the the US supports Child Labor 100% sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #314

No I didn't. That's ANOTHER fucking misquote. You have ZERO INTEGRITY. Romulox Aug 2012 #316

Here's the quote, from this VERY thread: "Child Labor *remains* 100% legal in the United States." Romulox Aug 2012 #317

DOL.gov: "Under 12: You may work outside of school hours in any non-hazardous job on a small farm" Romulox Aug 2012 #278

More links to ignore/not read. Take Action: End Child Labor in US Agriculture Romulox Aug 2012 #280

More stuff to distort/misquote/ignore: ABC News Investigation: The Blueberry Children Romulox Aug 2012 #281

Oh Sabrina, I see you ignored *every last one* of those links in your attempt to pile on! Romulox Aug 2012 #305

Actually, I did not ignore them. I have responded, see above. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #310

You responded by pretending to not know we were talking about food production, even though you Romulox Aug 2012 #313

I responded to what you said. You said that 'child labor remains 100% legal in this country'. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #318

??? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #323

More misquotes. Even less integrity. Last response to you (ever). nt Romulox Aug 2012 #324

I have several in fact. white_wolf Jul 2012 #114

5. Rework ALL "free trade" deals to where they're either "fair trade" or abolished completely. HughBeaumont Jul 2012 #188

Principles are truly horrible things, aren't they? girl gone mad Jul 2012 #239

Absolutely agree. Bluenorthwest Jul 2012 #42

K&R. Thanks. JDPriestly Jul 2012 #45

of course, a no brainer if you ask me quinnox Jul 2012 #47

K&R. Social Security, with its three trillion dollar surplus is off limits! reformist2 Jul 2012 #51

"Slash"? Or do you mean "tweak"? Or "fix"? I'm 100% in favor of preserving Soc Security.... Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #52

There is nothing wrong with Social Security. RC Jul 2012 #68

I think there is. This is about the third time I've seen this happen. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #233

No, not really. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #240

Ever wonder if you're buying into a lie? MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #78

I don't think I am. I researched it long ago. This was expected to happen, BTW, before Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #234

Pssst. You must have gotten the wrong schedule. woo me with science Jul 2012 #94

We goddam fucking well have ALREADY taxed our way out of it! eridani Jul 2012 #144

I don't recall that. So I looked it up. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #235

Nothing was stolen. girl gone mad Jul 2012 #241

I'll 'splain it to you. Printing money.... Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #275

Sorry, but you are 100% wrong. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #289

You misunderstand. I didn't say anywhere in my post that printing $ was the ONLY cause of inflation. Honeycombe8 Aug 2012 #315

K&R. nt OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #53

Is this the story that has you thinking social security may be cut? abelenkpe Jul 2012 #56

Sorry. Third Way is here to stay. limpyhobbler Jul 2012 #61

Leaving social security as is = cutting benefits. I wonder how many understand this. dkf Jul 2012 #65

Enjoy your vouchers Yeah Its Spin Jul 2012 #71

Democrats DO NOT destroy Social Security.... lib2DaBone Jul 2012 #72

The "Democrats" you speak of were purged from the party long ago NorthCarolina Jul 2012 #151

No, they don't. Not real ones. woo me with science Jul 2012 #76

What if we could cut SS to one recipient Zanzoobar Jul 2012 #77

How could that possibly happen? nt MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #84

and no true scotsman arely staircase Jul 2012 #79

"People that aren't from Scotland aren't Scotsmen" JoeyT Jul 2012 #101

i come from a long line of the sons of Alban arely staircase Jul 2012 #130

I will go a step further, there is no difference between those democrats and the republicans. still_one Jul 2012 #86

That's why they will postpone it woo me with science Jul 2012 #89

Careful where you tread. OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #97

I made no such comparison. Any democrat who dismantles Social Security is no Democrat. If still_one Jul 2012 #164

I agree with you. OnyxCollie Jul 2012 #172

Appreciate the cautionary note /nt still_one Jul 2012 #186

Hey, those bluemutts have their ... 99Forever Jul 2012 #90

They don't have to rks306 Jul 2012 #95

Manny... attempting divide and conquer again scheming daemons Jul 2012 #98

Ah, you got the correct schedule, I see. woo me with science Jul 2012 #99

You should check it out, links to back it up SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #100

Here's a link for you: woo me with science Jul 2012 #102

LOL unnecessary Administrative costs don't cut it nt SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #103

Obama cut Medicare is a RW talking point. n/t ProSense Jul 2012 #105

People just believe anything that unnamed sources tell them. SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #107

Conyers is not an unnamed source. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #268

Still trying desperately to avoid the President's own proposal, huh? woo me with science Jul 2012 #113

Still avoiding this? SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #116

What a fucking pantload. What unadulterated right-wing bullcrap that is. woo me with science Jul 2012 #125

Are you serious? Peoples View is Liberal SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #138

You believe that site is liberal? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #290

Where on earth do you get that? woo me with science Jul 2012 #106

No, you should look into it SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #108

So you have nothing. woo me with science Jul 2012 #111

Obama Aide On Social Security Cut Story: It 'Overshoots The Runway' SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #115

Obviously you are ignoring the oily exchange pointed out here: woo me with science Jul 2012 #118

Christian Science Monitor? No thank you SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #119

There's a video at the link, genius. nt woo me with science Jul 2012 #123

got another link? SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #139

What's wrong with the Christian Science Monitor? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #291

And one for you: ProSense Jul 2012 #104

More non-responsive crap. woo me with science Jul 2012 #110

Wait ProSense Jul 2012 #112

The Washington Post report of Obama's "Grand Bargain": woo me with science Jul 2012 #122

I see the problem ProSense Jul 2012 #124

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #126

WTF? n/t ProSense Jul 2012 #127

So that's the best you can do? Vattel Aug 2012 #321

Do you have a link to a media report stating that MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #322

John Conyers is not a liar. Thank you for the links. I remember that last statement sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #142

Yep, some here conveniently leave out that little "poison nugget" newthinking Aug 2012 #243

K&R! n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2012 #117

True Democrats don't put their citizens in internment camps. They don't. Not Ever...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #121

True Democrats do not support assassinating American Citizens without charges or trial. What is your sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #135

True Democrats don't use Skinners web site to post dumbass OPs campaigning against Dems, either. nt dionysus Jul 2012 #136

So what's the punchline? Iggo Jul 2012 #132

Just the usual Fox-and-Friends-style fear and smear stuff that Mr. Manny does. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #153

The economy will be bad, many will think they must accept the unthinkable to get what they want... jtuck004 Jul 2012 #133

Looking upthread, it appears that Chef DLC brought the copypasta! Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #137

Oh noes SunsetDreams Jul 2012 #140

Actually no. Manny creates strawman Democrats. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #152

And the 119 recs are just DUers who are just easily duped? And only you and a few others who... Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #160

Some DU'ers enjoy Manny's brand of "truthiness" emulatorloo Jul 2012 #163

The Ryan plan has no chance of passing. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #292

Manny could post the phone book and the usual suspects would give it 100+ recs...nt SidDithers Jul 2012 #193

Calling out DUers as a group? Who are the 'usual suspects'? sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #198

And I imagine the "other" group of usual suspects would then immediately LanternWaste Jul 2012 #204

I'm flattered by the thought! MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #228

kr and piss on the folks pretending like the bargaining hasn't been going on. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #141

Absolutely true. cali Jul 2012 #145

Karl Rove toolbox: Speculative Bullshit as Fact, Willful misinterpretation, Out of context quotes emulatorloo Jul 2012 #149

K&R (n/t) a2liberal Jul 2012 #155

Related Thread: "Why Romney keeps attacking things Obama didn�t say" emulatorloo Jul 2012 #158

Definitely, positively, absolutely ... any second ... here it comes .... here it comes ... JoePhilly Jul 2012 #159

It is odd to me that Manny never writes about the Ryan Plan emulatorloo Jul 2012 #169

You're calling a member in good standing a 'troll?' leftstreet Jul 2012 #181

I don't know what to call a member who continuosly makes up shit about Democrats emulatorloo Jul 2012 #185

Well, I thought he was a troll, too. procon Aug 2012 #279

Well, you can be forgiven for being wrong seeing as you appear to be new to DU. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #285

"Forgiven"??? procon Aug 2012 #294

Alright, 'excused' then, for being so wrong about the OP. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #301

It's like the NRA saying that Obama not taking your guns in term #1 PROVES he will take them JoePhilly Jul 2012 #195

Perfect analogy. emulatorloo Jul 2012 #202

The Ryan plan is horrific MannyGoldstein Jul 2012 #227

President Carter, not a "true Democrat" ProSense Jul 2012 #162

Bob Kerry came out yesterday and said he would /nt still_one Jul 2012 #167

He's running for Congress right? ProSense Jul 2012 #170

yes, Nelson's seat from Nebraska. At least I think that is what the OP is referring to. /nt still_one Jul 2012 #187

K&R bahrbearian Jul 2012 #175

K&R calmeco702 Jul 2012 #176

K&R leftstreet Jul 2012 #178

Everyone, do yourselves a favor and... fascisthunter Jul 2012 #179

I like to read their fantastic wishing and baseless accusations. It's somehow comforting to see Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #197

"Fantastic wishing and baseless accusations" is a good description of the OP emulatorloo Jul 2012 #201

Really? How so? It was our Democratic President that both created the catfood commission, Egalitarian Thug Jul 2012 #209

NOT ONE of pepito Jul 2012 #211

NOT ONE of ProSense Aug 2012 #286

It's so dead that the NY Times just published a major op-ed pushing for its recommendations.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #295

So ProSense Aug 2012 #296

Obama opened Pandora's box. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #299

You can't be serious. n/t ProSense Aug 2012 #302

Can you ever answer a direct question? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #304

Well, ProSense Aug 2012 #307

True Democrats should support Main St over Wall St. raouldukelives Jul 2012 #183

The payroll tax cuts ALREADY Damages the long term solvency of SS! Note grahamhgreen Jul 2012 #190

Sure they do, if they are redefined to repub-lite stupidicus Jul 2012 #192

That would be political suicide for the D's to cut SS. Jamaal510 Jul 2012 #203

k&r! nt bananas Jul 2012 #206

Please get this message to our president! lark Jul 2012 #207

Manny, I guess we're supposed to forget last summer's "Grand Bargain" Oilwellian Jul 2012 #220

Thanks for including the TYT- they've done a great job covering these "deals". nt Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #223

Thanks for the memories. hay rick Jul 2012 #224

Most of us have not forgotten, excellent post and it's hard to understand how sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #271

Thanks so much Oilwellian Aug 2012 #283

I won't either, it has made many people very nervous regardless of the attempt to sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #311

Very depressing Teamster Jeff Aug 2012 #276

This message was self-deleted by its author Zorra Aug 2012 #247

K&R AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #252

I can think of several scenarios where good democrats would stevenleser Aug 2012 #262

Damn Right!! hobbit709 Aug 2012 #274

There are SO many things wrong with that OP NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #282

Welcome to DU. We all watched this from the beginning and I disagree with you completely. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #284

It's dead ProSense Aug 2012 #287

Unfortunately, the arrow of time is unidirectional. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #298

What? ProSense Aug 2012 #300

Time is unidirectional. Ideas/proposals aren't. yellowcanine Aug 2012 #326

Let see: You *did* have time to pile on, upthread, but *didn't* have time to read any links... Romulox Aug 2012 #306

So-called Democrat Erskin Bowles, co-chair of what we Dems call the Catfood Commission... Oilwellian Aug 2012 #293

Granted. And what exactly was the problem being solved by the OP again? yellowcanine Aug 2012 #325