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wellst0nev0ter

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238. Franken is a good man

Sun Apr 29, 2018, 09:46 PM

Apr 2018

who chose to step aside for the good of the party that failed to support him instead of waging war with idiots who are still scared of optics in the Trump era. What they did to Franken was unforgivable.

The only reason why the bullshit accusations stopped is because they got sloppy trying to do the same thing to Chuck Schumer.

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Kirsten Gillibrand Unveils A Public Option For Banking [View all] ehrnst Apr 2018 OP

Love Kirsten Gillibrand! nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #1

+1 nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #40

No love for Gillibrandt HelenWheels Apr 2018 #49

No love for Franklin. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #54

At least get his name right. Liberalagogo Apr 2018 #69

Whoosh... LexVegas Apr 2018 #76

Go whoosh youself Liberalagogo Apr 2018 #89

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #105

And ignored. Liberalagogo Apr 2018 #120

.... LexVegas Apr 2018 #121

Couldnt care less for Gilli LakeArenal Apr 2018 #197

Agreed. SergeStorms Apr 2018 #227

I saw what you did there. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #153

Yep! NT warmfeet Apr 2018 #152

... Scurrilous Apr 2018 #98

Benjamin? democratisphere Apr 2018 #102

You mean Ben Franklin, who was the first Postmaster General? haele Apr 2018 #183

How is it possible you don't know his name? Did you follow the Senate investigation hearings? Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #236

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #239

I'll vote for her again, but don't like what she did to Franken. But a PO bank is awesome! Squinch Apr 2018 #131

I thought this was Bernie s idea. Ive seen articles about him on this subject recently. notdarkyet Apr 2018 #154

No, it wasn't Bernie's idea. Others floated it long before St. Bernie. But this is the Squinch Apr 2018 #155

Bernie made this part of his presidential platform in Dec. 2015. Elizabeth Warren Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #174

The Inspector General of the Post Office put out the idea in a white paper some years before that. Squinch Apr 2018 #187

I'm with you -- RandomAccess Apr 2018 #145

Maybe Sanders should introduced a bill himself Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #180

Fucking enough already. How long you gonna go on repeating the same thing? Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #165

As long as necessary. Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #176

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #237

Just think how far this agenda could go ashling Apr 2018 #119

Yup Franken gets extra votes, Progressive dog Apr 2018 #142

I wish he hadnt resigned. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2018 #158

Yeah, poor Al was set upon Progressive dog Apr 2018 #159

Arms getting tired? Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #177

So you claim to know how heavy Progressive dog Apr 2018 #207

Just guessing by having to look at so much of it on this thread. Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #212

I thought there must be something special about Republican water Progressive dog Apr 2018 #232

I disagree with your jaded take on what happened BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2018 #200

That makes it OK to attack Gillibrand Progressive dog Apr 2018 #206

Most accusers were anonymous. No past accusations of anything have surfaced; BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2018 #219

Franken quit before Progressive dog Apr 2018 #230

Democratic constituents had a dilemma ..we could not accuse the ''other side'' of wrong doing YOHABLO Apr 2018 #235

For the last time wellst0nev0ter Apr 2018 #211

For the last time, Franken resigned because of those allegations. Progressive dog Apr 2018 #231

With the "support" of democrats like you wellst0nev0ter Apr 2018 #233

Democrats like you are supporting one former democratic Progressive dog Apr 2018 #234

Franken is a good man wellst0nev0ter Apr 2018 #238

Franken is gone and the 31 Democratic Senators Progressive dog Apr 2018 #242

That's not true. Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #181

No it isn't but somehow Progressive dog Apr 2018 #205

In other words Trumpocalypse Apr 2018 #218

-1000 aeromanKC Apr 2018 #243

K & R. n/t FSogol Apr 2018 #2

K&R wryter2000 Apr 2018 #3

An interesting proposal mythology Apr 2018 #4

No it isn't; this is another DUMB idea. If they want government banks they can build government politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #114

It has been very, very successfully implemented in other countries. And about those lines: maybe Squinch Apr 2018 #132

Exactly, when I lived in Norway it was this way FreeState Apr 2018 #135

It's really a great idea. Squinch Apr 2018 #136

Just because it's been successful in other countries doesn't mean it's something we need here. politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2018 #209

USPS did banking back in the 1930. NOT a stupid idea. NT bonniebgood Apr 2018 #190

I live in South Korea rpannier Apr 2018 #213

Now they'll really want to loot it. WhiteTara Apr 2018 #5

Good idea but Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #6

Who has "branded (her) as a NY big financial interest water carrier"? Nowhere I've seen. George II Apr 2018 #18

You don't have to look very hard to find it Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #36

You really need to get a better understanding of FEC regulations and reporting rules. George II Apr 2018 #46

Humorous advice considering you presented NO facts Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #103

Once again, you need a full understanding of FEC laws and reporting regulations, which might.... George II Apr 2018 #107

Once again you didn't dispute the numbers Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #116

No, I didn't "dispute" the numbers, I EXPLAINED them! If you refuse to accept the explanation.... George II Apr 2018 #126

No you tried to mischaracterize rather than engage in an honest discussion Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #148

If this is just craven "positioning herself for a run" ehrnst Apr 2018 #82

That's true - if they truly support those positions Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #106

Financial industry people are among her constituents. Blue_true Apr 2018 #108

I don't see how it matters if it is. Solid platform position. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #21

Not to rain on everyone's parade...... SergeStorms Apr 2018 #228

That's so sad. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #229

So advancing progressive legislation is bad.... ehrnst Apr 2018 #45

Agreed, I think it's called "politics"... maybe that's why they're referred to as "politicians"?! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #63

Yes, and I judge them by the good they do as legislators. ehrnst Apr 2018 #81

Yes, but "good works" as legislators doesn't necessarily make up for past indiscretions. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #85

I didn't say that they did. ehrnst Apr 2018 #86

And I didn't say that you said that they did, haha!! I see your point... it's a fair one. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #91

I didn't say that you said that I did.. ehrnst Apr 2018 #110

And I didn't say... lol, nevermind. Have a good one. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #111

If it is not done by Bernie, well yes. nt Blue_true Apr 2018 #109

The positioning for 2020 isn't what bothers me... that's what most politicians do... politic. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #56

If getting progressive legislation into existence is "masking" ehrnst Apr 2018 #64

Haha, yes, I have no problem with Gillibrand's proposed legislation; kudos to her for doing that. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #77

Gotcha. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #83

Not a new idea. Glad it is being put forward more officially. elfin Apr 2018 #7

I hear you and agree she was wrong mountain grammy Apr 2018 #12

I'm warming to the idea... no one's perfect. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #53

Ditto disndat Apr 2018 #16

Franken resigned. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #26

Not true, Franken wanted to wait for an investigation before doing anything. Bluepinky Apr 2018 #57

"Franken wanted to wait" NCTraveler Apr 2018 #65

What do you mean by fighting for himself? Bluepinky Apr 2018 #80

Frankly I think he was a little *too* popular! JNelson6563 Apr 2018 #202

elizabeth warren suggested this a couple years ago now. mopinko Apr 2018 #8

Did anyone mention if before Warren? NCTraveler Apr 2018 #27

Did Warren introduce legislation? That's what's being talked about here.(nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #39

Bernie Sanders brought this up in 2014 and again in 2015. I think if they get Autumn Apr 2018 #42

Yes, I do think Bernie was first to put this out there... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #59

Exactly. The party needs to advance idea that help people. I think it's great that Autumn Apr 2018 #61

Precisely! And it seems like the 2020 Democratic presidential hopefuls are coming together InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #70

I'm glad that Gillibrand had the skill and the motivation to ehrnst Apr 2018 #84

That's how things get done. Working and talking together. Like when Gillibrand Autumn Apr 2018 #99

"Putting it out there," ehrnst Apr 2018 #68

Yes, and Gillibrand definitely deserves credit for that too... I applaud her. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #72

No, it wasn't Bernie who first put it out there. Squinch Apr 2018 #156

It doesn't matter who put it out first. It matters that they are getting on the same page. Autumn Apr 2018 #217

"Bringing it up" and introducing legislation are two different things. ehrnst Apr 2018 #67

Of course they are different things. That was what I said, by working together Autumn Apr 2018 #94

I don't know that Bernie is involved in the legislation. ehrnst Apr 2018 #192

Bernie jumps in with the Dems on legislation, like she jumped on his Medicare for all Autumn Apr 2018 #195

Let's hope.(nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #196

And BS didn't "bring it up." The Inspector General of the post office proposed it 2 years before. Squinch Apr 2018 #188

Unless ehrnst Apr 2018 #193

True. Squinch Apr 2018 #198

Yes, US post offices provided savings and deposit services for Americans from 1911 to 1967 ehrnst Apr 2018 #215

She's also driving away donors maybe she ought to think about leaving Fullduplexxx Apr 2018 #9

Did Warren introduce legislation? ehrnst Apr 2018 #22

Leaving what? nt. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #29

Will these loans be non-dischargable in bankruptcy? MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #10

Good points. I agree -- let's not create an even bigger human indebtedness problem, and KPN Apr 2018 #15

There are people who need short term, small loans to avoid eviction, pay medical bills, etc. ehrnst Apr 2018 #17

Can't argue with the need. I just wonder how using the PO for loans that may not cover costs Hoyt Apr 2018 #43

Public schools don't cover their costs, do they? Do roads without tolls? ehrnst Apr 2018 #47

Then fine, the Dems will have to argue before Congress they has submitted a bill that will Hoyt Apr 2018 #93

They will demonize the poor as always, yes. ehrnst Apr 2018 #97

And the military pretty much has collateral on any loan. That's just not true of general population Hoyt Apr 2018 #100

Disagree. Loans are not the solution. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #73

So you recommend running up credit cards, if people have good credit. ehrnst Apr 2018 #78

Of mice and straw men. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #113

So you think "temporary relief" is the alternative to a loan? ehrnst Apr 2018 #118

Do you think a loan is better than increased income? MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #128

So suddenly "increased income" is magically an option for someone ehrnst Apr 2018 #151

Not magic. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #162

Where to begin... ehrnst Apr 2018 #170

A brief response. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #199

"Short term loans aren't something that people do frivolously. ...is a false statement" ehrnst Apr 2018 #201

With loans, it's all about ability to repay. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #221

Creditcards.com? ehrnst Apr 2018 #222

Yes, here's 2nd link. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #223

So it's a link to a pymnts.com "take" on a Pew Poll ehrnst Apr 2018 #225

True. If you can't get a loan, it's because you are a bad risk. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #164

Good points! These are details that should be worked on. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #58

Why do we need to shelve this legislation until after "student loan bankruptcy is allowed?" ehrnst Apr 2018 #71

In the current proposal, will loans be dischargeable in bankruptcy? MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #115

I have only the article, not the bill text. ehrnst Apr 2018 #122

Not about student loans. MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #129

I agree completely! (nt) MarvinGardens Apr 2018 #75

Italian model. Drahthaardogs Apr 2018 #11

And Japan, Australia, Korea, etc. n/t progressoid Apr 2018 #25

Good idea. I just don't like Sen. Gillibrand. IluvPitties Apr 2018 #13

Yay! About time someone did this. Not surprised it was Gillibrand. KPN Apr 2018 #14

She has a long way to go to win over fans of honesty and fairness. lark Apr 2018 #19

I hear you. That's why I said "maybe". KPN Apr 2018 #33

Introducing legislation is a different thing than proposing an idea. ehrnst Apr 2018 #35

Are you sure they haven't? I don't know that, but if not KPN Apr 2018 #48

Yes talking about something is good. Me and my friends talk about things that could be done ehrnst Apr 2018 #62

I think you are making a case that doesn't hold water frankly. KPN Apr 2018 #134

Because you say so? ehrnst Apr 2018 #224

Stealing Liz Warren's idea? Ligyron Apr 2018 #20

This is about legislation, not the idea. ehrnst Apr 2018 #24

Warren was the first to come up with it? nt. NCTraveler Apr 2018 #31

Warren was talking about it years ago. No legislation came of it until now. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #32

Seems they are stealing credit from the NPL... NCTraveler Apr 2018 #37

I know. Single Payer has been around longer than most politicians have been in office. ehrnst Apr 2018 #52

It wasn't Liz Warren's idea. If you think this was stealing, then Liz Warren stole the idea Squinch Apr 2018 #189

United States post offices provided savings and deposit services for Americans from 1911 to 1967 ehrnst Apr 2018 #216

The USPS proposed this FOUR YEARS AGO. Warren and Sanders supported it. progressoid Apr 2018 #23

Did either craft legislation on it? "Proposing an idea" and introducing a bill are different things. ehrnst Apr 2018 #28

And it is a sign of progress when even more Democrats support it. Sophia4 Apr 2018 #60

Nothing new about this. awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #30

There was previous legislation introduced? ehrnst Apr 2018 #34

The idea is nothing new awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #38

"ideas" come before legislation... and why do you think it's "symbolic?" ehrnst Apr 2018 #74

Agree about your title awesomerwb1 Apr 2018 #88

My understanding of "symbolic" legislation is that you don't expect it to pass ehrnst Apr 2018 #90

I like it. The Post Office should provide many more services than mail. Pepsidog Apr 2018 #41

I hate to be a Debbie Downer here, but ... mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #44

Good points hueymahl Apr 2018 #50

The costs of this staying private are also large - especially to those in uniform. ehrnst Apr 2018 #51

UPS sets up seperate "call" windows for soecific activity. Blue_true Apr 2018 #112

Great idea... floWteiuQ Apr 2018 #55

lol ! stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #66

Payday loans, and title loans are the work of the devil! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #79

This thread is filled with credit to KG, Bernie, probably a millionnotheds Nevernose Apr 2018 #87

And that's why I'm glad that a progressive Senator is moving forward with actual legislation ehrnst Apr 2018 #92

Franken 2020 ! stonecutter357 Apr 2018 #95

K&R Scurrilous Apr 2018 #96

This goes a ways toward making up for the horror of what happened to PatrickforO Apr 2018 #101

What a horrible tread to read! HenryWallace Apr 2018 #104

Splendid idea that I'm 100% behind, but it means jackshit without a living wage law. Rabrrrrrr Apr 2018 #117

fantastic Sancho Apr 2018 #123

The lines at my local post office are too long already left-of-center2012 Apr 2018 #124

That used to exist in the USPS, to some degree. Here's info: MineralMan Apr 2018 #125

Redemption tour 2018... Snackshack Apr 2018 #127

Boink. Scurrilous Apr 2018 #130

I've always thought this was a fabulous idea. These days, though, my major concern would be Squinch Apr 2018 #133

Rep. Cedric L. Richmond in 2014 Mel Apr 2018 #137

Thank you for an end note nolabels Apr 2018 #175

This was something Bernie proposed in the primary. Shell need to come up with her own .... mudstump Apr 2018 #138

Did Bernie introduce legislation? ehrnst Apr 2018 #139

Is Bernie toast with you too? Sanders did call for Franken to resign the day before he did SFnomad Apr 2018 #143

This has veered off from the OP, hasn't it? ehrnst Apr 2018 #144

It had veered off topic from the OP when the person I replied to had stated SFnomad Apr 2018 #146

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Apr 2018 #147

I did not reply to you, I replied to mudstump SFnomad Apr 2018 #149

My bad ehrnst Apr 2018 #150

And Sanders borrowed his idea from history - because the post office used to do such things. Rabrrrrrr Apr 2018 #160

BS needs to come up with his own ideas. This was something the inspector general of the Squinch Apr 2018 #191

K & R SunSeeker Apr 2018 #140

How about a public option to bring Al back? nt Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #141

We may disagree with her on Franken KrazyinKS Apr 2018 #157

Great idea and zentrum Apr 2018 #161

I don't care what she proposes. nt Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #163

Very mature. Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #166

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #167

You, too. Very mature. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #168

At least I'm creative and don't fucking upchuck the same old bullshit day in and day out. Kirk Lover Apr 2018 #169

At least I'm informed and don't fucking upchuck the same old bullshit negativity against co-posters. Honeycombe8 Apr 2018 #173

So fucking creative. Fucking the fucking fuckers. Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #178

Well that sounds like quality pragmatism at work. nt JCanete Apr 2018 #186

My post office would have to add on. There isnt even space for a desk to apply for loans, Maggiemayhem Apr 2018 #171

Not all post offices have all post office services right now. ehrnst Apr 2018 #172

The reason this hasn't been made a bill before Jakes Progress Apr 2018 #179

That's an old idea whose time has always been around. haele Apr 2018 #182

... Scurrilous Apr 2018 #184

Wait what? Why are there no posts about how everything is impossible until we play it all safe and JCanete Apr 2018 #185

Did you read the article? ehrnst Apr 2018 #194

be more specific. What does anything in that article have to do with the actual JCanete Apr 2018 #208

Here you go: ehrnst Apr 2018 #214

No...so we are supposed to wait for Republicans to do something before we propose something that JCanete Apr 2018 #220

If you don't pay back your loan, the Post Office holds your mail? FarCenter Apr 2018 #203

Brilliant! 2014 Article: Postal Banking System. We should know we had it. And it worked Wwcd Apr 2018 #204

British Post Offices Smilo Apr 2018 #210

The USPS offered banking services until the 1960s. guillaumeb Apr 2018 #226

Bankers rule. NOMOGOP Apr 2018 #240

Good to see some Kirsten Gillibrand love oberliner Apr 2018 #241