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ehrnst

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240. No, this isn't the same thing at all.

Tue May 1, 2018, 11:44 AM

May 2018

Michelle Wolf made some clever jokes about how Huckabee lies, and worked the Maybelline tag and a currently popular makeup look into a statement about how Huckabee burns truth.

Attacks on HRC were not jokes.

Is that clearer?

A double standard is when you go through the roof when a woman tells political jokes, some with shock value, and you think it's fine when male comedians do the same thing on their shows.

BTW - your "hero" Colbert had this to say about Michelle's act (get ready to clutch your pearls - he tells the press to "grow a pair" )

https://www.thedailybeast.com/stephen-colbert-goes-off-on-the-whca-over-michelle-wolf-grow-a-pair

Also, you continue to say that "no one had heard of her" before this, when you've been corrected that she is on the Daily Show, and has apparently good enough to get her own show.

That's just persisting in a fallacy. You get more respect when you acknowledge when you are shown to be wrong.

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hey, guess what! turns out, michelle wolf is a woman! [View all] unblock Apr 2018 OP

Hat's off to you! pandr32 Apr 2018 #1

And Huckabee Sanders is a woman ollie10 Apr 2018 #2

It's easy to pretend Sanders' appearance was ridiculed, despite that pretense being inaccurate. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #3

Sooo we are to believe that her makeup is described as looking like ashes from burning lies..... ollie10 Apr 2018 #4

The butt of the joke was that lies transform a person, and rarely for the better. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #5

It wasn't necessary to bring her makeup into this. ollie10 Apr 2018 #7

It's fun to pretend we're offended by a comedian doing precisely what comedians do. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #9

Just an aside - she did NOT make fun of her make up JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #10

Oh please ollie10 Apr 2018 #15

how did she diss her make-up? JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #21

Hint: it has something to do with saying it looks like ashes ollie10 Apr 2018 #25

She didn't say that and you know it, JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #26

So you think it is a compliment to tell a woman her eye make up looks like ashes? ollie10 Apr 2018 #37

I do a black smokey eye all the time. This is the third thread you have been on with this topic . Oppaloopa Apr 2018 #72

If it is a man, you talk about issues ollie10 Apr 2018 #115

So now we get down to what your real issue is... Women comedians. ehrnst May 2018 #181

misrepresentation, again ollie10 May 2018 #182

Obeservation, again. You are on multiple OPs ranting about this ehrnst May 2018 #189

Nobody is ranting. I didn't like the monologue. Get over it. ollie10 May 2018 #193

Yes, you are ranting that she is "trumplike" "setting back the pro-choice movement" ehrnst May 2018 #197

bye ollie10 May 2018 #199

Michele said Sanders was being resourceful using the ashes. It was a compliment riversedge Apr 2018 #110

bunk ollie10 May 2018 #160

Irony? Like you picking fights on this topic, then say you think that Michelle Wolf ehrnst May 2018 #198

I am through. You can talk to yourself all day if you want! Cheers ollie10 May 2018 #201

See you in a few posts. ehrnst May 2018 #206

And yet that wasn't the punchline of the joke. Beartracks May 2018 #154

Thank you for fighting the good fight. ANYONE who goes after RUMP whether it is Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #41

Do *you* have any friends of the female gender? ehrnst Apr 2018 #31

Thanks, yes the remark has nothing to do with looks good or bad, so to entirely miss that point Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #43

Are you saying that... tonedevil Apr 2018 #35

wow. saying they are actually ashes.....that'll sure make it a compliment! ollie10 Apr 2018 #39

Wow, did you know that there is actually eyeliner color named Ash?????? ehrnst Apr 2018 #50

You clearly don't get the point volstork Apr 2018 #58

She did not insult anyone's makeup... tonedevil Apr 2018 #64

It has been my observation that when people have to announce they are funny..... ollie10 Apr 2018 #68

You mean like Jon Stewart and Colbert have? Are you a Democrat? (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #165

Let me report back, ollie10. I am female, and I know eye make-up, and it was a JOKE... Hekate Apr 2018 #62

Someone needs their outrage - they are furiously arguing this on several threads. ehrnst May 2018 #166

It's obvious that most of the routine went over the orange-worshiper's heads. Canoe52 May 2018 #282

What part of "She burns facts, then uses the ashes to make a smokey eye" ehrnst Apr 2018 #22

what lies are you referring to? Dyedinthewoolliberal May 2018 #254

Once again, troll, she was JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #11

Indeed. ehrnst Apr 2018 #23

Ollie is a troll and needs to move on JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #24

For some reason, Ollie is all over the threads praising Wolf ehrnst Apr 2018 #36

She made a joke about what Huckabee does with the ashes of truth. ehrnst Apr 2018 #18

Ollie, I fear you have missed the point by a mile. Nitram Apr 2018 #47

thanks for your concern ollie10 Apr 2018 #48

Always glad to help someone in need. Nitram Apr 2018 #49

Perhaps you should be listening to the many many people who ehrnst Apr 2018 #53

Well, after all, it is just your opinion. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #224

2 replies to the same post! damn! ollie10 May 2018 #225

And UR back! ehrnst May 2018 #235

just pointed out you replied TWICE to the same post ollie10 May 2018 #236

You've decided to take me off ignore again. ehrnst May 2018 #237

thanks for reminding me ollie10 May 2018 #238

Well, at least you can count. Numbers aren't a matter of opinion. ehrnst May 2018 #239

Nah, not really, it was actually a compliment. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #71

I don't buy that ollie10 Apr 2018 #88

Well stick with them if you choose. mountain grammy Apr 2018 #122

I think women should be judged by who they are....not their makeup ollie10 Apr 2018 #123

Sorry can't agree..her makeup is fair game mountain grammy Apr 2018 #142

Attack lies....don't have to mention the makeup.....that is not the issue ollie10 Apr 2018 #144

Yes, Hillary was attacked for her looks, her voice, and more, and mountain grammy Apr 2018 #145

No, this isn't the same thing at all. ehrnst May 2018 #240

Not for nothing, but there have been plenty of potshots made here on DU and other places about Fla Dem May 2018 #268

Wrong again. She commented on McConnell's appearance. ehrnst May 2018 #261

This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 May 2018 #263

Are you scared to say what you really want to say to me? ehrnst May 2018 #266

I will delete any post I choose to. ollie10 May 2018 #267

Did my pointing out of your misrepresentation of your ehrnst May 2018 #269

No not at all ollie10 May 2018 #270

Oh, I "have a reading comprehension problem" now, and am "malicious and petty." ehrnst May 2018 #273

If I said I agreed with you would you promise to leave me alone? ollie10 May 2018 #275

Wouldn't that be you "misrepresenting" your views? ehrnst May 2018 #279

It is clear that you are wrong ollie10 May 2018 #281

It's clear that you think your opinions are facts ehrnst May 2018 #283

Yes it is clear. Very clear ollie10 May 2018 #284

Interesting that you call yourself a victim. ehrnst May 2018 #288

You mean the ones in the administration or the press, who were being roasted? ehrnst May 2018 #167

misrepresentation, again ollie10 May 2018 #184

Nope. I called you out on your double standard. ehrnst May 2018 #188

No. I told you I didn't like your misrepresentation and that I didn't want to discuss ollie10 May 2018 #190

You realize that every one of those posts is a response to your posts ehrnst May 2018 #205

yes, that is stalking ollie10 May 2018 #208

And what you are doing is trolling ehrnst May 2018 #210

stalkers often blame the victim ollie10 May 2018 #211

Are you a "victim" now? That's a new one. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #213

It's makeup, not a birthmark misanthrope Apr 2018 #84

you conveniently left out the quote "uses the ashes to create" ollie10 Apr 2018 #87

You might want to bone up on your history misanthrope Apr 2018 #90

so the egyptians used ashes from burned lies? ollie10 Apr 2018 #92

You're trying way, way, way, way too hard. misanthrope Apr 2018 #94

It is indeed exhausting to dig a bottomless hole A-Schwarzenegger May 2018 #152

Yep, because no one with an X and a Y chromosome has ever misanthrope May 2018 #153

Ha, I dont think ollie knew what smoky eye was. A-Schwarzenegger May 2018 #155

Really? I've heard my wife, her friends, misanthrope May 2018 #156

I'm old & an out-of-it (married) hermit. A-Schwarzenegger May 2018 #157

perfect could be literal or it could be sarcasm.... ollie10 May 2018 #162

This from someone who says that "no one had ever heard of Michelle Wolf before this" ehrnst May 2018 #168

Are trolls ever sincere? A-Schwarzenegger May 2018 #260

Holy Fuck... SidDithers Apr 2018 #112

So, now you say the joke was about Lies, and not makeup? Which is it? (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #176

your misrepresentation ollie10 May 2018 #179

Nope. You are misrepresenting what she said, when someone points out that you are wrong. ehrnst May 2018 #186

misrepresentation, again ollie10 May 2018 #187

Obesrvation, again. ehrnst May 2018 #191

OMG, Michelle Wolf is a woman! ehrnst May 2018 #171

Sanders is the White House press secretary, not a vulnerable wife and mother being pilloried ehrnst May 2018 #214

This! mcar May 2018 #246

It's insulting not just to Huckabee to infantalize her that way, it's insulting to all ehrnst May 2018 #248

I cannot even imagine mcar May 2018 #249

So tell women on DU about makeup. ehrnst May 2018 #271

You don't understand ollie10 May 2018 #272

I think you have an issue with listening to those who wear makeup ehrnst May 2018 #274

Funny you are saying that beings as how you fail to listen to Sanders' side ollie10 May 2018 #278

From the man who thinks that he needs to "defend the working mother" ehrnst May 2018 #280

Your hate is noted ollie10 May 2018 #285

Look in the mirror to see that. ehrnst May 2018 #287

Also... what is "Sanders' side?" ehrnst May 2018 #289

I believe it's called a "metaphor." dogknob Apr 2018 #8

so it's ok to ridicule someone's make up.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #34

You are really bent out of joint about Wolf, aren't you? ehrnst Apr 2018 #38

Thank you! Exotica May 2018 #150

Ollie seems to have issues with makeup ehrnst May 2018 #276

Burning FACTS. Sarah burns FACTS. Get that straight & you can't go wrong with the rest. Hekate Apr 2018 #30

Saying she had the smokey eye look going isn't negative. Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #32

Here's what she actually said ollie10 Apr 2018 #42

OK. First she said "to create a PERFECT smoky eye." Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #46

If you compliment a woman on her makeup that is cool. ollie10 Apr 2018 #52

OK, one more time Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #54

Then why was she booed? ollie10 Apr 2018 #59

Because power doesn't like it when people point and laugh? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #61

Do you really think it was fair for Wolf to reference her makeup/appearance? ollie10 Apr 2018 #65

SHE SAID POSITIVE THINGS ABOUT HER MAKEUP Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2018 #74

You cling to your outrage, even when it has been debunked. Are you republican? ehrnst May 2018 #164

Hey - here is what your hero had to say about Michelle Wolf ehrnst May 2018 #163

You're actually saying she didn't say perfect? Perfect smokey eye. Quote her accuratelyonce bettyellen Apr 2018 #55

OMG! Cosmetics companies clearly don't know Ash is an insulting way to describe makeup... ehrnst Apr 2018 #56

Women have used charred kohl to create the smoky eye look for millenia Tanuki Apr 2018 #66

Here's a report - women buy makuep colors named Ash: ehrnst Apr 2018 #60

Many women have already answered you in this very thread. Perhaps the problem is with you. Hekate Apr 2018 #77

And maybe you like hurling insults ollie10 Apr 2018 #79

ROFLMAO. What insult have I hurled at you? Have I called you a name? Or was it my devastating logic? Hekate Apr 2018 #80

Clueless, I guess ollie10 Apr 2018 #82

You DID look in the mirror, like you were told. ehrnst May 2018 #215

You aren't being insulted. You are merely being told you are wrong. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #146

In your opinion.... ollie10 Apr 2018 #147

In MANY people's opinions. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #148

I don't think it makes any difference the sex of the person ollie10 May 2018 #161

I call BS. You say you love Colbert and Stewart ehrnst May 2018 #170

yesterday I told you I was not interested in discussing with you because of the numerous times you ollie10 May 2018 #174

You keep on posting the same thing over and over again to pick fights with people who praise ehrnst May 2018 #195

As I told you before, ollie10 May 2018 #196

No, you keep changing your "objections" when you are schooled on why you are wrong. ehrnst May 2018 #200

hey....I let you troll/stalk for dozens of times ollie10 May 2018 #204

You are trolling posts that support Michelle Wolf ehrnst May 2018 #212

You obviously dont know fuckall about either makeup or metaphor Exotica May 2018 #151

and you have learned to flame and hurl personal insults ollie10 May 2018 #159

You mean like saying people that don't agree with you think that MLK wasn't smart? ehrnst May 2018 #202

Perhaps someday those on here who say they're supporters of the Democratic Party Amimnoch Apr 2018 #67

Trump is a shithole chicken hawk lying scumbag ollie10 Apr 2018 #70

You aren't outraged when male comedians use shock value. ehrnst May 2018 #169

You've memorized some of the antiTrump buzzwords, but they don't mean diddly when you... Hekate May 2018 #226

Aren't you forgetting? ollie10 May 2018 #231

At the moment we can live an eyeliner for an eyeliner Hekate May 2018 #233

OMG, are you referencing a woman's MAKEUP!!!!! ehrnst May 2018 #245

I expect Sarah's defenders to stamp their feet & swear Hillary's cackle, pantsuit, hair, makeup... Hekate May 2018 #250

So now you think that calling out the GOP is "an eye for an eye?" ehrnst May 2018 #244

Why does it matter that SHS is a mother? mcar May 2018 #247

Naw, oleo's heart would no doubt bleed for her childless state. Personally, I think SHS must be... Hekate May 2018 #251

Those facial expressions! mcar May 2018 #253

Dehumanizing is easy when we tribalize ollie10 May 2018 #255

No more than you did when you dehumanized Michelle Wolf as ehrnst May 2018 #256

Huh? mcar May 2018 #257

Whoops. Wrong bridge again. Bye. n/t rzemanfl May 2018 #258

Quick! They are picking on your girlfriend over here!: rzemanfl May 2018 #259

I guess you haven't read my posts ollie10 May 2018 #262

I guess this is just another fine mess I've gotten you into Ollie. Good night. eom rzemanfl May 2018 #286

Burnt facts. The lies are spread on each morning WhiteTara Apr 2018 #143

"Laid on with a trowel," as we say of too much makeup... Hekate May 2018 #227

Oh, ffs! Exotica May 2018 #149

I see you have learned to use the f word ollie10 May 2018 #220

And you showed you have memorized some of the nastier antiTrump buzzwords. Wash your fingertips... Hekate May 2018 #228

At least she knows fact from fiction ehrnst May 2018 #241

Soooooooooooo, are we to believe that Sanders doesn't lie? kcr May 2018 #218

As I have said way back, I am no fan of Huckabee Sanders ollie10 May 2018 #219

You are also no fan of a woman with no power who speaks Truth to Power. Hekate May 2018 #229

So why are you so triggered by "a comic routine" so much that you have ehrnst May 2018 #242

Let Sarah rot in hell dembotoz Apr 2018 #13

I don't like her either ollie10 Apr 2018 #17

Calling woman who tells political jokes like a man does "trumplike" is so grade school. ehrnst Apr 2018 #19

Then it's our job to bring it back dembotoz Apr 2018 #27

How about telling jokes about her lies without the crap about the eye shadow? ollie10 Apr 2018 #33

"Not a bad person?" you accused Wolf of "setting back the pro-choice movement" and "helping Trump" ehrnst Apr 2018 #44

Open any women's magazine in the beauty parlor for eye-fashion tips, including how to smudge... Hekate Apr 2018 #83

How many of them advertise "make your eyes look like they are covered with ashes"? ollie10 Apr 2018 #85

You twist so much you could be making rope. Wow. Hekate Apr 2018 #96

The real twist is trying to make this sound like a compliment ollie10 Apr 2018 #99

Or you trying to make it sound like the fact that she's a woman isn't your real issue. ehrnst May 2018 #173

... lapucelle May 2018 #158

Crickets... (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #216

,,, lapucelle May 2018 #221

... lapucelle May 2018 #222

Now Ollie will just try to change gears and say that using the "Maybelline" tagline is calling SHS ehrnst May 2018 #223

Now you are misrepresenting what she said. What is it about female comedians gets you so upset? ehrnst May 2018 #183

misrepresentation, again ollie10 May 2018 #185

Obesrvation and calling you out on your double standards again. ehrnst May 2018 #192

There is a name for people who like to call names ollie10 May 2018 #194

You mean like you did with "trumplike?" ehrnst May 2018 #203

"Not a bad person"? As in, "There are good people on both sides (in Charlottesville)"? If they... Hekate May 2018 #230

didn't say that at all ollie10 May 2018 #234

BS. You know people can read your posts, right? Even when you misrepresent yourself later? ehrnst May 2018 #264

you have outdone yourself! ollie10 May 2018 #265

Wolf actually brought more attention to Sanders' lies. There was plenty of MSM discussion about LuvLoogie Apr 2018 #40

It is directly addressing the issue of her lies! LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #73

Why was it needful to even mention her eyes? ollie10 Apr 2018 #76

She didn't mention her eyes LiberalLovinLug Apr 2018 #109

Wolf received a lot of criticism for her personal attacks on Sanders ollie10 May 2018 #177

Cosmo had this to say: ehrnst May 2018 #217

Yay, Cosmo. That's what I tried to tell oleo about women's mags in beauty parlors. nt Hekate May 2018 #232

Michelle Wolf is a woman, and that's your problem with the routine. ehrnst May 2018 #172

You love her! JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #104

bullshit ollie10 Apr 2018 #107

You have a double standard. ehrnst May 2018 #175

You know what Ms. Wolfe didn't do? JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #16

It is not necessary for you misrepresent what I have said ollie10 Apr 2018 #20

Unskilled comic? The Daily Show hires "unskilled" comics that go on to get their own show? ehrnst Apr 2018 #29

The good news there is only one, why every nasty remark about Wolf's heroic performance Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #45

Um, no, you're confused. procon Apr 2018 #78

Back in grade school...people made fun of how some people dressed ollie10 Apr 2018 #81

"Bullying happens along a gradient of existing power and reiterates it," to borrow from... Hekate Apr 2018 #91

so would it be asking to much for Wolf to unambiguously attack her lies ollie10 Apr 2018 #95

One wonders what your agenda is. Inquiring minds want to know. Hekate Apr 2018 #98

To defeat Trump in 2020. To gain a Democratic Senate and House. ollie10 Apr 2018 #106

Your overwhelming concern is duly noted. Thank you for your input. Hekate Apr 2018 #119

We lost the election in 2016 in states we should have won ollie10 Apr 2018 #121

The Dems will win this one bigly if Putin decides it wll be a hoot to watch us all run around... Hekate Apr 2018 #128

She won the popular vote, yes ollie10 Apr 2018 #131

Suuure. You just keep clinging to that "mistakes were made" meme. Concern duly noted. Hekate Apr 2018 #133

Then you keep on with the no mistakes were made meme. lack of concern duly noted. ollie10 Apr 2018 #136

Tit for tat tit for tat tit for tat. What a waste of time you are creating. This isn't ping pong... Hekate Apr 2018 #140

OH, so NOW liking Michelle Wolf equals getting Trump elected? ehrnst May 2018 #178

Wouldn't it be far better to just admit you don't get the joke JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #101

as I have tried to express ollie10 Apr 2018 #111

You are not correct in your assessment. JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #114

so I am just supposed to shut up and conform? ollie10 Apr 2018 #116

No, you should back up your assertion JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #117

Oh, I have ollie10 Apr 2018 #120

Ah, you don't like JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #124

I don't like her either ollie10 Apr 2018 #125

Older than JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #126

You are old enough to know better. I am older than you. ollie10 Apr 2018 #127

How do you know how old I am? JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #130

Just a guess ollie10 Apr 2018 #132

Funniest post JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #135

I am glad you are happy ollie10 Apr 2018 #137

Going go put some smokey eye shadow on JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #138

Have a good one ollie10 Apr 2018 #139

LOL! And stuff like that. Demit Apr 2018 #141

You are not supposed to troll on various threads on this topic. ehrnst May 2018 #180

This poster has an agenda, doesn't he? We could speculate about what, as he is certainly urgent... Hekate Apr 2018 #118

I think the rest of us got the joke about her lies, but you didn't. ehrnst May 2018 #243

Uh-uh, no you don't, I see what you did there. procon Apr 2018 #129

For this particular person? paleotn Apr 2018 #93

Wolf just made Huckabee Sanders sympathetic ollie10 Apr 2018 #97

You've said this many dozens of times today. JenniferJuniper Apr 2018 #102

Slanders is only sympathetic to the RW & those who carry water for them. Your concern ... Hekate Apr 2018 #103

Not really.... paleotn Apr 2018 #108

Prove it. Why don't you tell us how "she set back the pro-choice movement" ehrnst May 2018 #209

We do make much of Dotard's physical appearance treestar Apr 2018 #134

thank you for confirming my surmise. niyad Apr 2018 #6

Not just the right wing... ehrnst Apr 2018 #12

Baggers are reverting back to their normal articulate positions--comparing her to Carrot Top. TheBlackAdder Apr 2018 #14

I also find the arguments the Wolf detractors are using interesting. haele Apr 2018 #28

Yep. ehrnst Apr 2018 #51

She could look like Daisy Ridley or Joseph Merrick snort Apr 2018 #69

You made me laugh. Thanks! misanthrope Apr 2018 #89

Hey, I *am* a retired Navy Chief. haele Apr 2018 #100

Your last statement about the WH Press Corps has been salient for a few decades now misanthrope Apr 2018 #113

Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Apr 2018 #57

Of course! BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #63

Im waiting for someone to Soxfan58 Apr 2018 #75

For Pete's sake, people, grumpyduck Apr 2018 #86

SHS actually wears less make-up than DJT. Sorry to anyone I offended...well....except them...:) dameatball Apr 2018 #105

Ok I get it if you hated Wolf's routine for its crudeness MaryMagdaline May 2018 #207

But should Sarah being wearing ashy eyeshadow at Olive Garden while .... kwassa May 2018 #252

You have a firm grasp fo the obvious! PJMcK May 2018 #277