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In reply to the discussion: A fair reminder of what caused Franken's ouster [View all]Denzil_DC
(9,100 posts)137. No, it is not.
Personal insults?
I've been criticizing your style of argumentation and challenging you to back up your claims beyond "it's true just because I say so".
Read above to see the clear course of this exchange.
You're the one who began with your old line about "cult of personality" (such a tired one by now, and utterly unproductive), who started in on me with the distraction accusations of my playing "semantics games" and "spin" and who's tried to claim I'm "denying reality".
If you can't take some back and forth when you set the tone of a debate like that, don't dish it out, and quit whining.
Franken's own words during his resignation speech not good enough for you?
Franken's remarks did not include an apology indeed, he appeared to have pulled back from a Nov. 16 statement in which he said he was "ashamed" of behavior that was "completely inappropriate" when it came to one of the women who has accused him of misconduct. [That would be the Tweeden pic.]
On Thursday, Franken said his past statements, in which he said women who raise such allegations should be heard, had given people "the false impression" that he was admitting guilt.
"Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others I remember differently," he said.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-franken-resignation-20171207-story.html
On Thursday, Franken said his past statements, in which he said women who raise such allegations should be heard, had given people "the false impression" that he was admitting guilt.
"Some of the allegations against me are simply not true. Others I remember differently," he said.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-franken-resignation-20171207-story.html
There you go. No admission of all the allegations against him, which is the claim of yours that I challenged you to prove. Clear as day. That's reality.
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A good reminder at that....Franken was railroaded - and Gillibrand added her two cents
asiliveandbreathe
Apr 2018
#1
Does that include Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Sherrod Brown, Chris Murphy?
oberliner
May 2018
#100
Did I stutter? Do I mumble? What part of "I'll never forgive any of them" was confusing to you?
NurseJackie
May 2018
#126
Harry Reid knows Republican tactics well. He would have shut down the Franken railroading.
stuffmatters
Apr 2018
#49
Would Reid have shut it down? I hadn't realized that. What a bummer for us. nt
Honeycombe8
Apr 2018
#78
I don't recall Leader Reid ever supporting the railroading of a Dem Senator by fellow D Senators
stuffmatters
May 2018
#90
Actually one of Franken's best friends says Dayton was the last nail in the coffin
DFW
May 2018
#151
With respect, that's not accurate. It went very quickly, just a few hours. Here's the timeline.
Honeycombe8
May 2018
#154
I understand. But the fact is that he announced his resignation before the Gov namd his replacement.
Honeycombe8
May 2018
#159
Do you suppose she is catching on - or better yet have heard from her
asiliveandbreathe
Apr 2018
#66
As a NY constituent, and someone who pays attention to New York State politics...
brooklynite
Apr 2018
#83
Also Franken was also the Senator who outed Gorsuch an irrational implacable RW zealot
stuffmatters
Apr 2018
#61
No, he did not. I hate it when people twist what happened to suit their purposes.
Honeycombe8
Apr 2018
#31
Yikes. That's a scary thought. Sort of like a former Repub is now going to run for Franken's seat.nt
Honeycombe8
Apr 2018
#76
Those hoping that the dems will go bold, assuming they ever gain any influence again,
CrispyQ
May 2018
#123
As we saw with Sanders, right now the rules are that anyone can run as a Democrat.
stevenleser
May 2018
#139
You have a very low threshold of what you consider to be an attack or a bash
stevenleser
May 2018
#158
"He took the Senate investigation route before the accusations mysteriously mounted. "
NCTraveler
Apr 2018
#27
But it did look like he was going through the process, at least until he got stabbed in the back.
OnDoutside
Apr 2018
#18
Yes, if you define the process through such a limited scope as to ignore reality.
NCTraveler
Apr 2018
#21
They did it to shine their progressive credentials and get rid of a strong competitor.
lark
Apr 2018
#60
There was no reason for him to "admit wrongdoing" since he didn't commit any wrongdoing.
scarletwoman
Apr 2018
#72
"There's no excuse...I feel disgusted with myself. It isn't funny. It's completely inappropriate."
oberliner
May 2018
#99
No he didn't...that was after the USO thing which I think was ridiculous...there is no way what
Demsrule86
May 2018
#109
100% documented, what you said there. No, Al Franken did nothing, absolutely nothing.
Eliot Rosewater
Apr 2018
#67
Read Al Franken's apology following accusation of groping and kissing without consent
oberliner
May 2018
#98
Of course they are, their agenda is to remove all democrats from government.
Eliot Rosewater
May 2018
#121
Well, you appear to be the expert on spin. Not so much on semantics, though.
Denzil_DC
May 2018
#131
Your question that I challenged: "Then why did Franken admit to and apologize for his actions?"
Denzil_DC
May 2018
#133
And you're now reduced to throwing psych jargon around like you knew what it meant.
Denzil_DC
May 2018
#147
Well, if you're so keen to see your nonsense exposed to a wider audience, you're certainly welcome.
Denzil_DC
May 2018
#173
And yet Trump just admitted to paying off Stormy after lying about it and Trump is still POTUS
Freethinker65
May 2018
#176