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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
9. This is another example of how discrimination against minorities gets sucked into a vortex
Wed May 2, 2018, 12:25 PM
May 2018

As far as I know, Starbucks doesn't have a problem with discrimination against Jewish customers. This is a problem very specific to black and brown people. So, I didn't understand why the ADL was brought in in the first place. And I totally get the consternation of those who objected to them being engaged since I have no doubt that, if the shoe were on the other foot and the store had a rash of antisemitic incidents, but didn't seem to have any issues with racism against minorities, people would think it strange if the NAACP Legal Defense Fund or Black Lives Matter were brought in to address them. This had a co-opting feel that made me a little uncomfortable.

It's also an example of how discrimination against minorities is all-too-often treated very differently than other wrongful behavior in our society. In just about any other instance, when employees behave badly or in an unacceptable manner, their employers don't spend a lot of time and effort trying to discuss or retrain or have encounter sessions, etc. They just forbid the bad behavior, impose a zero tolerance policy and move on.

I've often worked in situations where the minority employees point out a pattern of discrimination and the employer's response is to reach out to the black folk to have "dialogue." And I always think, "Why are you reaching out to US? WE'RE not the problem. You need to reach out to the white managers who are behaving in such an effed up manner and tell them to straighten up or get out."

If Starbucks had a manager who repeatedly hit employees, I doubt the company would spend much time and resources working with them on their anger management issues, have the people they beat up come and "share" with them how getting their asses whupped felt, and allow the manager to give "the other side of the story." They would just tell the manager to stop beating people up and if he didn't, they'd fire his angry ass.

I'm not criticizing Starbucks for doing this session - I think they're really trying to do the right thing. But I think we need to consider how we address racism in this country - and hold the people who engage in it to stricter standards and consequences. It can also be helpful as part of this, to show the universality of discrimination. But shoehorning other issues into this one suggests to those of us who must endure it and are asking for it to be addressed that our concerns just aren't important enough to taken seriously on their own, but must be piggy-backed onto someone else's problems in order to have any credibility.

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+1 NCTraveler May 2018 #1
I'm sure the Southern Poverty Law Center could refer them to better people to consult with. moriah May 2018 #2
Educational Programs & Training oberliner May 2018 #3
Seems to prove my point. moriah May 2018 #8
This is great stuff EffieBlack May 2018 #14
It doesn't have to be exactly relevant to the incident (s) Sailor65x1 May 2018 #60
The ADL has developed programming addressing implicit bias in law enforcement Mosby May 2018 #73
Actually, that's really a very sore spot for many in the African-American civil rights community. EffieBlack May 2018 #74
Why wouldn't combating anti-semitism be a priority for any company? nt hack89 May 2018 #5
Because in this case the people discriminated against weren't Jewish. moriah May 2018 #6
Increasing their sales numbers are also priorities for the company and expanding locations are also EffieBlack May 2018 #16
It's a matter of spending money and time efficiently as well el_bryanto May 2018 #24
This is another example of how discrimination against minorities gets sucked into a vortex EffieBlack May 2018 #9
Glad I'm not the only one who felt it odd to have a group not AA-run being consulted for this. moriah May 2018 #11
Exactly. EffieBlack May 2018 #12
You are not! Nt Anon-C May 2018 #51
Very well said! H2O Man May 2018 #15
This GaryCnf May 2018 #72
Unfortunate, they should have been allowed to contribute. Antisemitism is still all too common Amishman May 2018 #4
They are contributing. NCTraveler May 2018 #7
Yes, as is apparently evidenced in the actions of these activists. Tipperary May 2018 #10
Yup. Behind the Aegis May 2018 #13
"The ADL is CONSTANTLY attacking black and brown people," IronLionZion May 2018 #18
Which is not true. Behind the Aegis May 2018 #20
No one is dismissing them "as an actual minority" EffieBlack May 2018 #19
If it were for the reason you are claiming, I'd have no problem. Behind the Aegis May 2018 #21
Notwithstanding the loud whooshing sound of the irony of your comment sailing over our heads ... EffieBlack May 2018 #22
Thank you for splaining it to me. Behind the Aegis May 2018 #27
You are welcome. EffieBlack May 2018 #28
"Activists" who want a group more like Black Lives Matter instead of one who hasn't supported it? moriah May 2018 #17
The Palestinians have NOTHING to do with this issue. MicaelS May 2018 #23
FYI EffieBlack May 2018 #25
Wow. This is so wrong. kcr May 2018 #26
Yeah, the mainstream media loves to mention her wellst0nev0ter May 2018 #29
This probably had very little to do with Tamika Mallory EffieBlack May 2018 #32
Yes because Eric Holder, Sherrilyn Ifill, and Heather McGee didn't notice the racist org kcr May 2018 #35
Why do you assume I'm suggesting that they didn't "notice" anything until Mallory pointed it out? EffieBlack May 2018 #37
Why would they give inside counsel after agreeing to work along side such a racist orginization? kcr May 2018 #39
They have been brought in to counsel Starbucks. EffieBlack May 2018 #42
No. Starbucks doesn't believe ADL are racist. Tamika Mallory does. kcr May 2018 #47
Do you know the whole story? EffieBlack May 2018 #30
I saw your post. Sorry but I don't agree with you at all on this one. kcr May 2018 #31
Tamika Mallory's "involvement" doesn't mean the ADL should have been brought in as a trainer EffieBlack May 2018 #33
You don't? I'm sorry but I think you do. kcr May 2018 #34
Are you saying that I'm anti-semitic because I don't think the ADL should have been brought in as a EffieBlack May 2018 #36
I'm saying the attacks on the ADL are anti-semtic kcr May 2018 #38
Then, let me explain it to you again ... EffieBlack May 2018 #40
The ADL isn't inexperienced. kcr May 2018 #44
They have lots of experience - just not any experience doing anti-racism training related to EffieBlack May 2018 #49
You are simply misinformed kcr May 2018 #52
I'm actually VERY familiar with the ADL and have worked alongside them for many years. EffieBlack May 2018 #54
Then I'm really surprised at the Tamika Mallory defense n/t kcr May 2018 #55
When did I defend Tamiya Mallory? EffieBlack May 2018 #56
I don't know. What is your beef with me when I came in here slamming Tamika Mallory? kcr May 2018 #58
In other words, your allegation that I've defended her is false EffieBlack May 2018 #61
You have a problem with assumptions. I never asserted any such thing. kcr May 2018 #62
I want to add that I consider attempts at downplaying a form of defense kcr May 2018 #65
Gotcha EffieBlack May 2018 #67
It could also be a sign of disagreement and trying to not be associated. moriah May 2018 #63
Your assumption that Starbucks has "acquiesced" to her demands suggests you EffieBlack May 2018 #64
Why are you trying to downplay her role in this? kcr May 2018 #66
Because most people know that, in the real world, very few serious people EffieBlack May 2018 #68
I agree re taking her seriously. That's a good thing. kcr May 2018 #69
LOL EffieBlack May 2018 #70
Yeah. I know this was my fault for arguing on the internet kcr May 2018 #71
Not at face value MichMan May 2018 #48
Hunh? What does Louis Farrakhan have to do with anything I've said? EffieBlack May 2018 #59
Joe Madison interviewed Sherrilyn Ifill (Prez of NAACP Legal Defense Fund) & she explained this BumRushDaShow May 2018 #41
Thanks for sharing that oberliner May 2018 #43
Found the clip. The interview happened yesterday. BumRushDaShow May 2018 #45
Thanks for sharing this EffieBlack May 2018 #46
Right! BumRushDaShow May 2018 #50
Yup EffieBlack May 2018 #53
Agree completely BumRushDaShow May 2018 #57
I suspect this could have been handled better stevenleser May 2018 #75
My issue was with the way the ADL was attacked oberliner May 2018 #76
The ADL IS staying involved in this effort as an adviser and will participate in future trainings EffieBlack May 2018 #77
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