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moriah

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17. "Activists" who want a group more like Black Lives Matter instead of one who hasn't supported it?
Wed May 2, 2018, 12:46 PM
May 2018

Last edited Wed May 2, 2018, 02:58 PM - Edit history (1)

Not all bias is the same, and the experience of living as a Jew can't be compared to as black/brown, or vice versa.

I would expect the NAACP and SPLC to offer assistance in addressing an incident of anti-Semitic behavior from management, but would want to hear the main message from people who actually were Jewish about what THEY wanted me to take home from it.

I think the same is true in reverse, and in this case Starbucks is trying to deal with the perception that btown/black people are somehow a problem to management. I'd rather hear from them and know what they'd like me to learn from it than even well-meaning allies.

Edit to add: I'm out of this conversation as it's starting to get into I/P issues. I'm sensitive on I/P because I identify as a Liberal Quaker, and may never be able to visit the Holy Land as a result of the AFSC being targeted for its support of nonviolent resistance. Regardless of the reasoning, that sucks. And so I stay out of those discussions.

+1 NCTraveler May 2018 #1
I'm sure the Southern Poverty Law Center could refer them to better people to consult with. moriah May 2018 #2
Educational Programs & Training oberliner May 2018 #3
Seems to prove my point. moriah May 2018 #8
This is great stuff EffieBlack May 2018 #14
It doesn't have to be exactly relevant to the incident (s) Sailor65x1 May 2018 #60
The ADL has developed programming addressing implicit bias in law enforcement Mosby May 2018 #73
Actually, that's really a very sore spot for many in the African-American civil rights community. EffieBlack May 2018 #74
Why wouldn't combating anti-semitism be a priority for any company? nt hack89 May 2018 #5
Because in this case the people discriminated against weren't Jewish. moriah May 2018 #6
Increasing their sales numbers are also priorities for the company and expanding locations are also EffieBlack May 2018 #16
It's a matter of spending money and time efficiently as well el_bryanto May 2018 #24
This is another example of how discrimination against minorities gets sucked into a vortex EffieBlack May 2018 #9
Glad I'm not the only one who felt it odd to have a group not AA-run being consulted for this. moriah May 2018 #11
Exactly. EffieBlack May 2018 #12
You are not! Nt Anon-C May 2018 #51
Very well said! H2O Man May 2018 #15
This GaryCnf May 2018 #72
Unfortunate, they should have been allowed to contribute. Antisemitism is still all too common Amishman May 2018 #4
They are contributing. NCTraveler May 2018 #7
Yes, as is apparently evidenced in the actions of these activists. Tipperary May 2018 #10
Yup. Behind the Aegis May 2018 #13
"The ADL is CONSTANTLY attacking black and brown people," IronLionZion May 2018 #18
Which is not true. Behind the Aegis May 2018 #20
No one is dismissing them "as an actual minority" EffieBlack May 2018 #19
If it were for the reason you are claiming, I'd have no problem. Behind the Aegis May 2018 #21
Notwithstanding the loud whooshing sound of the irony of your comment sailing over our heads ... EffieBlack May 2018 #22
Thank you for splaining it to me. Behind the Aegis May 2018 #27
You are welcome. EffieBlack May 2018 #28
"Activists" who want a group more like Black Lives Matter instead of one who hasn't supported it? moriah May 2018 #17
The Palestinians have NOTHING to do with this issue. MicaelS May 2018 #23
FYI EffieBlack May 2018 #25
Wow. This is so wrong. kcr May 2018 #26
Yeah, the mainstream media loves to mention her wellst0nev0ter May 2018 #29
This probably had very little to do with Tamika Mallory EffieBlack May 2018 #32
Yes because Eric Holder, Sherrilyn Ifill, and Heather McGee didn't notice the racist org kcr May 2018 #35
Why do you assume I'm suggesting that they didn't "notice" anything until Mallory pointed it out? EffieBlack May 2018 #37
Why would they give inside counsel after agreeing to work along side such a racist orginization? kcr May 2018 #39
They have been brought in to counsel Starbucks. EffieBlack May 2018 #42
No. Starbucks doesn't believe ADL are racist. Tamika Mallory does. kcr May 2018 #47
Do you know the whole story? EffieBlack May 2018 #30
I saw your post. Sorry but I don't agree with you at all on this one. kcr May 2018 #31
Tamika Mallory's "involvement" doesn't mean the ADL should have been brought in as a trainer EffieBlack May 2018 #33
You don't? I'm sorry but I think you do. kcr May 2018 #34
Are you saying that I'm anti-semitic because I don't think the ADL should have been brought in as a EffieBlack May 2018 #36
I'm saying the attacks on the ADL are anti-semtic kcr May 2018 #38
Then, let me explain it to you again ... EffieBlack May 2018 #40
The ADL isn't inexperienced. kcr May 2018 #44
They have lots of experience - just not any experience doing anti-racism training related to EffieBlack May 2018 #49
You are simply misinformed kcr May 2018 #52
I'm actually VERY familiar with the ADL and have worked alongside them for many years. EffieBlack May 2018 #54
Then I'm really surprised at the Tamika Mallory defense n/t kcr May 2018 #55
When did I defend Tamiya Mallory? EffieBlack May 2018 #56
I don't know. What is your beef with me when I came in here slamming Tamika Mallory? kcr May 2018 #58
In other words, your allegation that I've defended her is false EffieBlack May 2018 #61
You have a problem with assumptions. I never asserted any such thing. kcr May 2018 #62
I want to add that I consider attempts at downplaying a form of defense kcr May 2018 #65
Gotcha EffieBlack May 2018 #67
It could also be a sign of disagreement and trying to not be associated. moriah May 2018 #63
Your assumption that Starbucks has "acquiesced" to her demands suggests you EffieBlack May 2018 #64
Why are you trying to downplay her role in this? kcr May 2018 #66
Because most people know that, in the real world, very few serious people EffieBlack May 2018 #68
I agree re taking her seriously. That's a good thing. kcr May 2018 #69
LOL EffieBlack May 2018 #70
Yeah. I know this was my fault for arguing on the internet kcr May 2018 #71
Not at face value MichMan May 2018 #48
Hunh? What does Louis Farrakhan have to do with anything I've said? EffieBlack May 2018 #59
Joe Madison interviewed Sherrilyn Ifill (Prez of NAACP Legal Defense Fund) & she explained this BumRushDaShow May 2018 #41
Thanks for sharing that oberliner May 2018 #43
Found the clip. The interview happened yesterday. BumRushDaShow May 2018 #45
Thanks for sharing this EffieBlack May 2018 #46
Right! BumRushDaShow May 2018 #50
Yup EffieBlack May 2018 #53
Agree completely BumRushDaShow May 2018 #57
I suspect this could have been handled better stevenleser May 2018 #75
My issue was with the way the ADL was attacked oberliner May 2018 #76
The ADL IS staying involved in this effort as an adviser and will participate in future trainings EffieBlack May 2018 #77
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