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tpsbmam

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Mon Jan 2, 2012, 04:41 PM Jan 2012

Jonathan Turley chimes in on Obama & the NDAA. Another Constitutional scholar is appalled. [View all]

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President Barack Obama rang in the New Year by signing the NDAA law with its provision allowing him to indefinitely detain citizens. It was a symbolic moment to say the least. With Americans distracted with drinking and celebrating, Obama signed one of the greatest rollbacks of civil liberties in the history of our country . . . and citizens partied only blissfully into the New Year.

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Obama insisted that he signed the bill simply to keep funding for the troops. It was a continuation of the dishonest treatment of the issue by the White House since the law first came to light. As discussed earlier, the White House told citizens that the President would not sign the NDAA because of the provision. That spin ended after sponsor Sen. Carl Levin (D., Mich.) went to the floor and disclosed that it was the White House and insisted that there be no exception for citizens in the indefinite detention provision.

The latest claim is even more insulting. You do not “support our troops” by denying the principles for which they are fighting. They are not fighting to consolidate authoritarian powers in the President. The “American way of life” is defined by our Constitution and specifically the Bill of Rights. Moreover, the insistence that you do not intend to use authoritarian powers does not alter the fact that you just signed an authoritarian measure. It is not the use but the right to use such powers that defines authoritarian systems.

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There are also those who continue the long-standing effort to excuse Obama’s horrific record on civil liberties by either blaming others or the times. One successful myth is that there is an exception for citizens. The White House is saying that changes to the law made it unnecessary to veto the legislation. That spin is facially ridiculous. The changes were the inclusion of some meaningless rhetoric after key amendments protecting citizens were defeated. The provision merely states that nothing in the provisions could be construed to alter Americans’ legal rights. Since the Senate clearly views citizens are not just subject to indefinite detention but even execution without a trial, the change offers nothing but rhetoric to hide the harsh reality. THe Administration and Democratic members are in full spin — using language designed to obscure the authority given to the military. The exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032) is the screening language for the next section, 1031, which offers no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial.


More at Turley's blog. So, another Constitutional scholar is appalled and agrees that this bill is horrifying. Turley is someone I've followed for years. I don't always agree with him, but I respect his opinions and the invaluable voice of this Constitutional scholar over the hell of the Bush years......but I guess he's now going to be thrown under the bus, along with the ACLU, Greenwald and others who are trying to warn Americans!

Consider me appalled along with them. Their warnings are justified -- too bad they're falling on so many deaf ears.




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yup....john better look out for the bus. madrchsod Jan 2012 #1
especially since only "you know who" is speaking out against this in their campaign think Jan 2012 #2
In other words, some anonymous people on the internet will disagree with him. Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #3
You are really a peach HangOnKids Jan 2012 #18
Turley stood up to the BFEE Octafish Jan 2012 #4
"why didn't he ever criticize Bush?!!!" MisterP Jan 2012 #7
Remember in 2001, how most everybody's brains turned to mush after 9-11? Octafish Jan 2012 #27
I respect Turley. He calls em' like he sees em'! n/t Little Star Jan 2012 #89
The "constitutional scholar" seems to rely on hyperbole, rather than the constitution, for arguments bhikkhu Jan 2012 #5
Put this in quotation marks: Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #6
End the war, how? Especially without rocking the party vote? TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #9
Said "constitutional scholar" just lost a case against Obama, and got spanked by the judge. msanthrope Jan 2012 #42
Thanks for the information about him bhikkhu Jan 2012 #52
Fixed. i_sometimes Jan 2012 #64
Welcome to DU!!! You are very comfortable for such a newbie! Welcome! Edit- msanthrope Jan 2012 #68
Lol, good girls never tell! i_sometimes Jan 2012 #75
So you post on DU2 on one name, and DU3 as another? nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #79
And the fact that the 2001 military authorization is appalling is beside the point? eridani Jan 2012 #54
This. i_sometimes Jan 2012 #65
Welcome! What was your previous username, so we all know who you are? msanthrope Jan 2012 #73
Exactly - it is the primary point bhikkhu Jan 2012 #70
Clinton broke the law. i_sometimes Jan 2012 #76
Tell us which law he broke. Cite the statute? nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #80
Just got back i_sometimes Jan 2012 #87
You can't answer my question so I go on ignore? Awesome! nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #90
Turley ProSense Jan 2012 #8
As do you, going so far to ignore some of those who wrote the damn thing. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #10
Oh, ProSense Jan 2012 #20
Did you know that Obama has executed American citizens without trial? GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #60
So did Lincoln. The Constitution allows this during times of war. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #74
shorter version Enrique Jan 2012 #11
LOL! City Lights Jan 2012 #12
Right ProSense Jan 2012 #22
i haven't read your analysis yet Enrique Jan 2012 #24
Isn't ProSense Jan 2012 #25
Lol. RUMMYisFROSTED Jan 2012 #61
No doubt. NCTraveler Jan 2012 #83
Incomplete--Turley just lost a case to Obama. Turley now criticizes Obama. nt msanthrope Jan 2012 #43
Was the case related, even tangentially, to the NDAA? Occulus Jan 2012 #88
Turley just lost a case to Obama in a very public way--see post 40. msanthrope Jan 2012 #44
This is a terrible provision of the NDAA, but where's the outrage at Congress? boxman15 Jan 2012 #13
Congress gets a free pass, because it's easier to bash Obama killbotfactory Jan 2012 #14
Congress is useless and ineffective on both sides. Obama could have vetoed. piratefish08 Jan 2012 #16
Damn Shame n/t HangOnKids Jan 2012 #21
This bill was passed with VETO PROOF majorities. nt killbotfactory Jan 2012 #23
So if vetoing a bill is the right thing to do ... tledford Jan 2012 #33
It's not that bizarre. It would take congress another month or two to pass it. killbotfactory Jan 2012 #37
Two months of no funding for the VA. I can imagine how kindly the "liberal media" would treat that. Robb Jan 2012 #45
Nah, better to do childish shit just to prove a point rather than do something constructive uponit7771 Jan 2012 #99
Now stop that. He did have reservations about signing it. Autumn Jan 2012 #30
leftyohiolib Jan 2012 #91
Ummm, George Dumbya Bush got EVERYTHING he wanted from congress.... truebrit71 Jan 2012 #78
No, he didn't. killbotfactory Jan 2012 #92
Umm, yeah, he kinda did... truebrit71 Jan 2012 #94
He wanted to destroy social security, as I recall. killbotfactory Jan 2012 #96
Congress is getting a free pass tavalon Jan 2012 #95
There would be negative consequences to a veto killbotfactory Jan 2012 #97
Congress has a 9% approval rating n/t Enrique Jan 2012 #17
And yet, most people stay away from voting in a non-presidential election year. killbotfactory Jan 2012 #26
scootch over Greenwald - you have more company under the bus. piratefish08 Jan 2012 #15
What is your problem lillypaddle Jan 2012 #31
!!!!! one_voice Jan 2012 #34
They're bullies lillypaddle Jan 2012 #36
Can Turley wait his turn please? This board is not yet done with the Greenwald hate festival. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #19
see #31 lillypaddle Jan 2012 #32
Yes, you must be getting impatient Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #35
Oh no! Oilwellian Jan 2012 #28
I'm listening to Norman Goldman, lillypaddle Jan 2012 #29
Turley went after Clinton in Monicagate. No time for him. WinkyDink Jan 2012 #38
Turley sued Obama and lost. Note how neither Turley, nor the OP, note that. msanthrope Jan 2012 #41
Because our pro Citizens United court system is just so wonderful, right? n/t eridani Jan 2012 #55
So ProSense Jan 2012 #66
Um, Turley liked CU. And chose to file in the court system that gave that msanthrope Jan 2012 #69
Jonathan Turley never really loved him! QC Jan 2012 #39
I take it Turley's still sore over the public spanking he got in Kucinich v. Obama? msanthrope Jan 2012 #40
Interesting. Robb Jan 2012 #46
Too ProSense Jan 2012 #48
Yes. He's stamping his widdle feet in a snit. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #47
He's been in a snit ever since he supported the Clinton impeachment-- msanthrope Jan 2012 #50
Hear Hear, Ma'am! The Magistrate Jan 2012 #53
Ouch. joshcryer Jan 2012 #56
It's ProSense Jan 2012 #63
Fascinating! ProSense Jan 2012 #49
Frankly, Judge Walton took the same tone with Orly Taitz, too. msanthrope Jan 2012 #51
too many deaf ears.. FirstLight Jan 2012 #57
Then you should consider broadening your horizons Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #58
Quite a contrast, indeed. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #85
When Pinochet used the Army to capture and threaten the Chilean parliament fasttense Jan 2012 #59
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #62
Wow, who to believe...Jonathan Turley NorthCarolina Jan 2012 #67
Durn Tarheel sensibilities! i_sometimes Jan 2012 #77
Me too... truebrit71 Jan 2012 #81
"Obama sycophants on DU" ProSense Jan 2012 #84
Turley's is a reasonable if somewhat mild response to a fascist law. K&R (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #71
Oh, c'mon. We can trust the miliatary and government to do the right thing. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #72
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2012 #82
How far we have fallen. nt woo me with science Jan 2012 #86
feh. turley likes to get his name in print. the compromise language makes clear that the ndaa cannot struggle4progress Jan 2012 #93
He loves the sound of his own voice on TV bluestateguy Jan 2012 #98
What is the point of this signing statemnt then? Maraya1969 Jan 2012 #100
Turley is proof their are too many lawyers. Dawson Leery Jun 2014 #101
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