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331. I repeat...

Wed May 9, 2018, 04:24 PM

May 2018

"how the 1% of Jill Stein supposedly voting against their own interests are more responsible for Trumps win than the 25-40% of female, jewish, latino and other demographic groups who voted against their own interests by actively voting FOR Trump? "

That was my original question. Not how did Hillary compare to Obama, or how Trump compared to Stein.

My question was why do Stein voters bear more blame by not voting for either candidate, than so many other groups whose large numbers saw them actively voting FOR Trump?

If those numbers are not bigger than the percentage of the vote that Stein got (national or in swing states...I'll take either) then by all means I'd love to see that information and admit that I am 100% wrong and this is absolutely all the fault of Jill Stein and her scary 1% of the vote which absolutely eclipses the number of any other demographic that logic seems to dictate "should have" voted for Hillary but instead voted FOR Trump.

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I'd like to give a round of applause to all the Jill Stein voters and JPR-atf*ckers out there [View all] Maven May 2018 OP

don't forget susan sarandon! KG May 2018 #1

Sarandon! Maven May 2018 #2

There won't be enough Cashmere on this earth .... LenaBaby61 May 2018 #10

Honestly, if there is an all out nuclear war. Blue_true May 2018 #128

I agree with this Blue_true ... LenaBaby61 May 2018 #146

Lena. The earth will turn blue again, humans just won't be around to see it. Blue_true May 2018 #148

The best thing that could happen (for Earth's sake) Plucketeer May 2018 #300

I'm with you on that... whoever comes after certainly couldn't be any worse than what we have now. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #351

That fallout map is totally bogus. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2018 #175

"Snopes is always your friend." LenaBaby61 May 2018 #329

Except the map is still totally bogus and the fallout amounts PoindexterOglethorpe May 2018 #330

Per Snopes, right? LenaBaby61 May 2018 #386

Yep. Per snopes. Although they are not the only ones who pointed out PoindexterOglethorpe May 2018 #387

Phil Plait also commented... SidDithers May 2018 #394

Thank you. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2018 #395

There was a writer on military strategy in the 1950s Fortinbras Armstrong May 2018 #221

Do not wish that! There is hope after nuclear bombs!! quartz007 May 2018 #305

You clearly missed the worldwide part. Blue_true May 2018 #333

The next nuking will look like this.. quartz007 May 2018 #350

I hope you're right. nt Blue_true May 2018 #352

2 reasons I could be right quartz007 May 2018 #354

I think this is what you're looking for NJCher May 2018 #80

And Nina Turner!! DoctorJoJo May 2018 #45

Nina Turner clearly played a role and is still playing a role Gothmog May 2018 #55

In Ohio last night, Kucinich lost badly ...he was our revolution's candidate...and he was Demsrule86 May 2018 #195

I was glad that the Our Revolution candidates have done poorly Gothmog May 2018 #398

Me too.! Demsrule86 May 2018 #401

Sarandon is an ignorant B_ _ _ _ _ world wide wally May 2018 #46

She is ignorant. Ninsianna May 2018 #65

Plenty of other words that you could have chosen. Blue_true May 2018 #129

I call them assholes too. world wide wally May 2018 #153

Wait, we all have assholes! Atman May 2018 #218

Ahh...but hers is ignorant. nclib May 2018 #304

Post removed Post removed May 2018 #158

Well said world wide wally May 2018 #167

Susan Sarandon and Jill Stein both helped to elect trump Gothmog May 2018 #53

Not the only ones. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #102

She was very high profile on Stein. Sarandon! nt Honeycombe8 May 2018 #76

Or Cornell West. Assholes both. nt Blue_true May 2018 #127

Who? Lunabell May 2018 #166

I can feel the revolution beginning! Oneironaut May 2018 #237

On target. There are many to blame, but those groups are high on the list. Hoyt May 2018 #3

Numerically, they are tens of millions behind plain ol' Republicans. Orsino May 2018 #392

I love good irony. This one gives me a sad. nt fleabiscuit May 2018 #4

Let me Rec this for you. Not much difference between Stein voters, JPRs and deplorables. LonePirate May 2018 #5

Who is JPR? nt Honeycombe8 May 2018 #78

jack pine radicals - a group of Sanders supporters on here rurallib May 2018 #82

Ohhhhh...I didn't follow Sanders & his supporters closely. I think I've asked this before recenty, Honeycombe8 May 2018 #86

it took me a bit earlier this week when 'JPR' started popping back up here rurallib May 2018 #89

Yes that was in Feb. 3 months ago GusBob May 2018 #98

Here: Scurrilous May 2018 #117

That entire subthread from Febuary gets real bizarre GusBob May 2018 #119

I didn't read that until now. Scurrilous May 2018 #120

If you asked before, were told, why are you asking again? Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #103

It's easy to forget crap that doesn't mean anything to you. nt fleabiscuit May 2018 #160

There is something to be said for frequent reminders. calimary May 2018 #227

The more you know! Scully May 2018 #319

Yeah, I visited that website once out of curiosity and ooky May 2018 #262

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #143

rwnj's and russian trolls .... stonecutter357 May 2018 #162

A better JPR: Jefferson Public Radio alp227 May 2018 #291

There are many "Russia can do no wrong" types at JPR but pampango May 2018 #286

You are so very very correct on this Gothmog May 2018 #399

Today, the US is planning to separate children and parents at the border. Because... Hekate May 2018 #6

That is a crime against humanity. Maven May 2018 #20

The idea that there is some kind of moral long game is not sobering to me either nolabels May 2018 #269

"Blackened soul of my nation" mcar May 2018 #31

@#$% them. Scurrilous May 2018 #7

Stein, Sarandon JPRatfuckers & those who chose Trump over the future of our once great free society. Wwcd May 2018 #8

Hyperbole....it is not just for breakfast anymore! ChubbyStar May 2018 #16

Nothing hyperbole about my statement. You think this is a freakin mocking joke that we ended up Wwcd May 2018 #24

Did I say anything about a joke? ChubbyStar May 2018 #27

"Hyperbole.." now please stop talking to me. Wwcd May 2018 #32

Hyperbole does not mean joke ChubbyStar May 2018 #38

Yes, ignore those who give aid and comfort to rump which means aid and comfort to Putin. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #105

JPR idiots are putin supporters Gothmog May 2018 #324

We're not even close to being a 'fascist America' average_mo_dem May 2018 #49

This thread is quite interesting ChubbyStar May 2018 #52

No kidding average_mo_dem May 2018 #54

Yes you do NastyRiffraff May 2018 #93

Thanks! ChubbyStar May 2018 #125

A lot closer than you are aware. dbackjon May 2018 #112

Thanks.. I agree.. how long were the Germans Cha May 2018 #185

Our Constitution and form of government will not allow it average_mo_dem May 2018 #226

That's it? That's the best defense of Jill Stein you can muster? Come on, try harder. DanTex May 2018 #132

Sorry, Jill Stein had nothing to do with my post ChubbyStar May 2018 #135

LOL. Apparently you replied to the wrong thread then. Stick around, you'll get the hang of it! DanTex May 2018 #137

I just learned how to use ignore! I think I have the hang of things. Thank you so much for your time ChubbyStar May 2018 #138

Jill Stein supporters are so smart! DanTex May 2018 #139

LOL Gothmog May 2018 #325

Good to see you DanTex! redstateblues May 2018 #380

Lol! Tipperary May 2018 #208

elobrepyh, submitted as "very lovely or enjoyable." nt fleabiscuit May 2018 #164

It is truth...Jill Stein hopefully will end up in jail for her part with collusion. Demsrule86 May 2018 #340

Wow, some real butthurt there. KPN May 2018 #233

How are you okay with Trump? That's what your comment implies. R B Garr May 2018 #245

No, its America's "butthurt" now. You ok with that? Wwcd May 2018 #259

I don't equate your's with America's the way you obviously do. KPN May 2018 #270

Sure. There's a great part of America that sees it exactly as I stated. Wwcd May 2018 #274

In my column? I voted for Hillary. So how do they belong in my column? KPN May 2018 #295

Not putting the blame on one group at all. But when those who contributed to this horror show, when Wwcd May 2018 #296

You also keep ignoring the point. Explain what you have gotten R B Garr May 2018 #297

Jill Stein is one powerful.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #9

Money & Media is a powerful drug Wwcd May 2018 #11

All they needed was to pull a few gullible suckers... R B Garr May 2018 #15

ADd to this the ENDLESS attacks of HRC before and after the primary Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #107

Exactly. If only we could have said more of what we all saw playing out. R B Garr May 2018 #114

Yeah, we had a candidate, the most qualified in fact, GWC58 May 2018 #124

She is powerful with a certain group of self-important simpletons. nt Maven May 2018 #23

I agree with your analysis Gothmog May 2018 #400

Jill Stein is an Asshole BIG LIAR.. LIES her DAMN Cha May 2018 #41

In an election decided by one vote, someone changing one vote can have an outsized effect stevenleser May 2018 #56

Case in point. Florida 2000. Blue_true May 2018 #131

What's worse is that folks like the person I responded to didn't learn from that mistake stevenleser May 2018 #169

Everything that you pointed out is on target. Blue_true May 2018 #170

You presume to know how I voted in 2000 & 2016.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #199

Good for you. There's a reason we didn't get their votes in 2016. Not to mention there's a KPN May 2018 #231

Right there with you.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #299

Nope, I didn't presume that at all. How one voted doesnt have any bearing on whether they learned a stevenleser May 2018 #278

That makes no sense.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #309

So you didn't vote for Gore because of Joe Lieberman?? R B Garr May 2018 #284

Enjoy the red meat.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #310

I'm just reading your responses to this thread. You call them R B Garr May 2018 #312

Nader gave Bush the election Gothmog May 2018 #382

In every swing state that Hillary lost by less than 1%, Jill Stein had 1% of the vote in those still_one May 2018 #209

If true, too bad we/HRC couldn't win their vote. KPN May 2018 #234

It is true. Go to The NY Times and the election results and breakdown are all there. We could not still_one May 2018 #255

Explain how the lies and smears about Hillary helped to "win" votes. nt R B Garr May 2018 #258

Do any of you Jill Stein fans ever try mounting an actual rational argument in her defense? DanTex May 2018 #133

Nope, they don't. All of their answers are logical fallacies or passive aggressive stevenleser May 2018 #168

Fan, no.. voted for, no again.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #196

If it looks like a fan, and quacks like a fan... DanTex May 2018 #205

Defense.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #214

You are calling DUers "Reagan Democrats." betsuni May 2018 #215

I guess if I couldn't defend by beliefs with logic, I'd just post empty "mocking" as well. DanTex May 2018 #219

Calling DUers "reagan democrats".. You Lose.. all you Cha May 2018 #341

You can get offended all you want.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #360

I'm not offended.. you're the one making Cha May 2018 #367

Are there any Jill Stein fans here at DU? KPN May 2018 #235

People who post things like this... DanTex May 2018 #248

Amen! Anyone taking Trump or Stein seriously on anything... R B Garr May 2018 #12

And MoDo. Don't forget her... SidDithers May 2018 #13

Posted mine right after yours! mcar May 2018 #33

We were so fucked by these idiots. SunSeeker May 2018 #34

Donald the Dodo would have been more appropriate since she was trying to be alliterative. greatauntoftriplets May 2018 #40

I swear .... LenaBaby61 May 2018 #44

Dowd, Haberman and Judith Miller, my reason jrthin May 2018 #57

Dowd, Haberman and Judith Miller, my reason ... LenaBaby61 May 2018 #69

Remember "Hillary the Hawk, Trump the Dove?" mcar May 2018 #14

Great minds think alike... SidDithers May 2018 #25

It hurts to laugh mcar May 2018 #35

I want to see this repeated over and over workinclasszero May 2018 #43

It's EXACTLY what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is... NurseJackie May 2018 #17

"Some people..." (Right from the orange MAGAt's playbook.) deurbano May 2018 #18

The Revolution. Scurrilous May 2018 #26

Not just any revolution ... Our Revolution. comradebillyboy May 2018 #60

Ah, yes... Scurrilous May 2018 #71

As soon as someone says "revolution" I know they are full of shit. world wide wally May 2018 #47

Uuugh! sheshe2 May 2018 #68

My hatred for her burns with the white-hot heat of a thousand suns. NurseJackie May 2018 #74

I am with you, NJ! sheshe2 May 2018 #77

I hear you, NJ! A spoiled privileged phony actress like Sarandon has no place R B Garr May 2018 #88

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #134

I know, right! She's the worst. NurseJackie May 2018 #136

Can we give this guy a round as well???? disillusioned73 May 2018 #19

Iran is apparently something the GOP has wanted their grimy hands on for a long time. C Moon May 2018 #244

Exactly.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #321

They were so condescending to those of us who supported Hillary. honest.abe May 2018 #21

Does someone not get the difference between the primary and general election? bettyellen May 2018 #22

It sure is, because juuuust enough Left voters were lured away from voting for the Democrat... Hekate May 2018 #28

Thank you. Yes it is. NurseJackie May 2018 #30

Yes DownriverDem May 2018 #42

Hell yes it's about the General Election. How could Cha May 2018 #63

Right. So why even post it here? KPN May 2018 #238

K & R SunSeeker May 2018 #29

Wow!! DownriverDem May 2018 #36

Ya got that right. murielm99 May 2018 #91

They are entitled to participate in the process. AtomicKitten May 2018 #242

Part of the process is rejection. They are also entitled to experience R B Garr May 2018 #276

Rejection? Is that what you call Perez kicking ALL progressives, those voting for ... AtomicKitten May 2018 #298

Nice distractions, but that is not what happened. This is part of the chaos -- R B Garr May 2018 #301

There are only facts, not yours and then others', and that discrepancy is sad, not funny. AtomicKitten May 2018 #316

I'm sorry to hear of your pneumonia. You should quit smearing Democrats, R B Garr May 2018 #320

I got to see their participation at the National Convention Gothmog May 2018 #335

Dropping bombs won't do sh*t, so there would be no strategy to doing it still_one May 2018 #37

It will give them the bounce they need for the midterms grantcart May 2018 #48

P.O.E. world wide wally May 2018 #39

kicked Blue_Tires May 2018 #50

Congratulations Gothmog May 2018 #51

Yeah, your precious political orthodoxy 'saved' us from Hillary Clinton. Aristus May 2018 #58

I have a room at JPR and voted Hillary Omaha Steve May 2018 #64

Steve, don't confuse people who can't handle nuance. Jim Lane May 2018 #96

When will you acknowledge that people can actually read the posts at JPR. R B Garr May 2018 #99

Agree, especially that last line. dgauss May 2018 #110

The irony is thick indeed. Jim Lane May 2018 #171

Excellent post. These two minutes hate type threads that seem to always come from the usual suspects WIProgressive88 May 2018 #182

No. What you see are vehement denunciations of slander and outright lies R B Garr May 2018 #228

You flatter yourself. Maven May 2018 #118

Bingo. nt Blue_true May 2018 #141

Scorch! Cha May 2018 #188

.... ehrnst May 2018 #204

LOL. The irony of you complaining about people that "can't handle nuance" is delicious. DanTex May 2018 #144

+1 betsuni May 2018 #213

No, nobody on DU thinks Sanders is an evil monster. JPR thinks HRC is an evil monster. betsuni May 2018 #212

Bingo! Wouldn't it make so much more sense if they'd just take this stuff directly to KPN May 2018 #239

I recognize some cross over names. Don't you?? R B Garr May 2018 #263

Correct. That goes the other way, too. Jim Lane May 2018 #285

Your false equivalencies are still false. The TOS explains why and how R B Garr May 2018 #289

Same here ... Bernie primary, Hillary GE. KPN May 2018 #290

Steve. Blue_true May 2018 #140

+1 MustLoveBeagles May 2018 #176

K & R Wwcd May 2018 #67

Thank you MustLoveBeagles May 2018 #172

Thank you. Aristus May 2018 #180

Your welcome MustLoveBeagles May 2018 #353

What they did well be remembered, and payback will bite them in the ass still_one May 2018 #59

Well we went a week without bringing up the election again. Chakaconcarne May 2018 #61

What exactly bothers you about talking about elections on a political discussion site? MrsCoffee May 2018 #66

Good Question. Cha May 2018 #190

Go find a site that talks needlepoint then RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #73

Well well well.. glad you're not running Cha May 2018 #189

+1 progressoid May 2018 #194

That's like complaining that people are talking about recipes on a cooking forum. betsuni May 2018 #200

Please let us not forget BigMin28 May 2018 #62

Some who dont vote do so because of the ENDLESS shit they hear about Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #109

They said if I voted for Hillary, we'd be at war in two years RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #70

whats jpr? samnsara May 2018 #72

Jackpine Radicals Gothmog May 2018 #83

Jack Pine Radicals dhol82 May 2018 #95

Jackpine Radicals. Blue_true May 2018 #147

Ohhhhhhh ok. samnsara May 2018 #207

rwnj's and russian trolls .... stonecutter357 May 2018 #165

And a special "fuck you" to the "Hillary would have been just as bad!" crowd Blue_Tires May 2018 #75

Yep, lots of folks said that. Some on the internet and elsewhere. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #111

Post removed Post removed May 2018 #161

And may I add a big F you wryter2000 May 2018 #292

Something about their conscience and evils and other nonsense. betsuni May 2018 #79

What is a JPR? OneBro May 2018 #81

It's a website where many former DUers went during the height of the 2016 primary phase Gore1FL May 2018 #87

Absolutely!!!!! kevink077 May 2018 #84

Post removed Post removed May 2018 #85

You just compared HRC to David Duke, George Wallace, Orval Faubus, and Lester Maddox. Stinky The Clown May 2018 #90

Again, how are you enjoying things right now? RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #94

Are you saying that you didn't vote for HRC in the general election? Maven May 2018 #113

What a distortion of what was written. Blue_true May 2018 #149

Well it's good to see some examples of the op's Point showing up here BannonsLiver May 2018 #177

Did you really think Trump was better than the Democratic candidate? Hmm... DanTex May 2018 #272

Thank you for illustrating the OPs point better than the OP. nt stevenleser May 2018 #279

This thread is why 'social progress'... CanSocDem May 2018 #92

We were making "social progress" during the Obama admin.. honest.abe May 2018 #97

No you weren't. CanSocDem May 2018 #108

I wasnt even considering those aspects of progress. honest.abe May 2018 #121

That statement was a bit strange, like that was all that happened and someone was put out. nt Blue_true May 2018 #155

Indeed. honest.abe May 2018 #156

Shouldn't your 'you' be 'we'? sheshe2 May 2018 #152

Wow, what bullshit. Blue_true May 2018 #154

The ACA... CanSocDem May 2018 #203

There is no doubt that Europe is way ahead of the USA on everything that really matters. Blue_true May 2018 #275

You had your chance... CanSocDem May 2018 #282

Yes, we could have elected Hillary. Instead we elected Trump. DanTex May 2018 #293

Agreed Sherman A1 May 2018 #192

I agree Sherman. I also believe this is an ingrained part of our programmed national psyche. Uncle Joe May 2018 #220

A very Sherman A1 May 2018 #223

Yep, the wedge issue strategy has served remarkably well hasn't it? KPN May 2018 #241

Keep the people fighting among themselves from an emotional, identity perspective Uncle Joe May 2018 #256

When elections come down to 1.5% in several key states. Blue_true May 2018 #336

Please detail which states Sherman A1 May 2018 #344

Penn, Michigan, Wisconsin. Blue_true May 2018 #346

And I stand by mine points Sherman A1 May 2018 #348

Yep, good day. nt Blue_true May 2018 #349

I gained marriage equality dbackjon May 2018 #385

It is the purity thing. Blue_true May 2018 #151

So don't watch them? KPN May 2018 #243

How is social progress doing now? Maven May 2018 #115

Really.. If jill stein hadn't LIED Cha May 2018 #187

LOL. Blue_true May 2018 #150

You're Wrong. This thread is highLighting the Cha May 2018 #186

Dear identifier of Suckers Plucketeer May 2018 #225

jill stein is gd LIAR. Cha May 2018 #337

Yeah - you said that. Plucketeer May 2018 #365

Yeah, and every who actually cares about our Country knows it. Cha May 2018 #368

I had politely asked for clarification of a descriptor Plucketeer May 2018 #388

I like to follow the money. safeinOhio May 2018 #100

Dont forget the nose holders....but yes, this is their day. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #101

how exactly would the nose holders be at fault? You just want to lump everybody in? The point JCanete May 2018 #193

No.. & ppl think that right wingers are the disillusioned73 May 2018 #210

Factions of the left? Perhaps you're being too kind. KPN May 2018 #246

Heck, I'm wondering about factions of the left who are okay R B Garr May 2018 #261

There is no one on the left OK w/ Trump.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #315

That's why this thread is important -- look at JPR and you will see plenty of R B Garr May 2018 #323

Perhaps.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #314

Hear, hear. My thoughts exactly. KPN May 2018 #250

Huh? What are you saying? KPN May 2018 #247

And a big FUCK YOU to all the equivocators dbackjon May 2018 #104

Or said " I will vote for her but I will HOLD MY NOSE and make sure EVERYBODY Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #251

Yup dbackjon May 2018 #383

Every nose holder or Stein voter convinced at least one person NOT to vote at all. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #393

Agreed Gothmog May 2018 #403

I trust you are posting this here only to vent. KPN May 2018 #253

Nope - there are many that felt that way that still post here on DU dbackjon May 2018 #384

Yup, plus a billion. stevenleser May 2018 #402

b,b,b,but, but, but the eeeeeeeamails. n/t CincyDem May 2018 #106

*eeeeeeservers AtomicKitten May 2018 #273

Don't hear much from them these days. The_Casual_Observer May 2018 #116

They are as silent as churchmice. nt Blue_true May 2018 #157

A few joined this thread BannonsLiver May 2018 #178

Exactly. So why post this stuff here? Why not take it where one does hear from them? KPN May 2018 #254

Post removed Post removed May 2018 #122

I remember their contribution whenever the news is Hortensis May 2018 #123

What I am PARTICULARLY sick to DEATH of hearing is how HOLDING YOUR NOSE Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #257

Me, it's those vulnerable to discouragement who substitute Hortensis May 2018 #268

I second that MaryMagdaline May 2018 #126

Kick JohnnyRingo May 2018 #130

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #142

They got what they wanted JI7 May 2018 #145

The revolution will start any second RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #174

K&R ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #159

Not again... chwaliszewski May 2018 #163

You'd be wrong RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #173

I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong. chwaliszewski May 2018 #183

Yes, we millenials will be the biggest potential voting bloc Exotica May 2018 #216

Me too re: that article/poll a few days back. OPs like this one serve no useful purpose here ... KPN May 2018 #260

I'm with you! Mountain Mule May 2018 #179

Maven, I'd like to set politics aside for a moment, and tell you how much I love Aristus May 2018 #181

The ones who started those anti-Dem narratives truly wanted this end. herding cats May 2018 #184

They don't own this, or they certainly own it less than our own corporate media, which is a poor JCanete May 2018 #191

They had a huge impact. honest.abe May 2018 #201

They had an incredibly small impact compared to the total impact of the media. Incredibly small. JCanete May 2018 #294

It was a huge impact because it was just enough to give the election to Trump. honest.abe May 2018 #303

again, focusing on the 1 percentage point versus the 15 or 20 percentage points the JCanete May 2018 #308

You should read the Mueller indictments instead of parroting the scripted R B Garr May 2018 #311

what, and corporate JCanete May 2018 #326

Seriously? LOL. So now you are saying corporations were boosting Bernie?? R B Garr May 2018 #327

no, you are focusing on the minor influence of Russia compared to the herculearn influence of JCanete May 2018 #328

No. I'm focusing on the reality of the actual news and not some R B Garr May 2018 #334

So I agree with you, that was the goal of Russia, to sew discord. So what. How does that contradict JCanete May 2018 #355

Reality is that your ideations about corporate media are really R B Garr May 2018 #361

No, it is an obvious trend in this nation with obvious results. That you choose not to see JCanete May 2018 #362

Now you are laughably trying to backpedal and generalize even more... R B Garr May 2018 #363

I haven't backpedaled on anything. Nor did I call Russias involvement a silly conspiracy theory. JCanete May 2018 #364

You obviously cannot accept the facts that Bernie was helped by Russia* R B Garr May 2018 #366

I threw none of it aside, but keep beating that dead horse. Its easier to win an argument against a JCanete May 2018 #369

Mueller didn't invent the facts he's presenting. Mueller didn't invent the Russian investigation. R B Garr May 2018 #370

okay...i don't know what it is you are saying I'm not accepting. I also don't know what you've shown JCanete May 2018 #371

There you go again. There is a world of information about a GLOBAL R B Garr May 2018 #372

there has been a corporate assault on our democracy for a long time. That's kind of why the JCanete May 2018 #373

This is typical. It illustrates a fundamental misunderstanding of how R B Garr May 2018 #374

the true oligarchs who actually own the media, or the shadow oligarchs who are still trying to JCanete May 2018 #375

Yet more diversions, I see. Your alternate realities are actually a huge tactic R B Garr May 2018 #377

why, I'm surprised you haven't already accused me of being one...now that's not a tactic at all... JCanete May 2018 #378

Alternate realities are for the simpletons. Simpletons like the Fox News R B Garr May 2018 #379

FFS. we are all to blame! Kurt V. May 2018 #197

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #198

This bs again? Let's focus on November dembotoz May 2018 #202

I keep needing this math explained to me... vi5 May 2018 #206

It's not "moronic," it's math ehrnst May 2018 #211

I didn't ask about how she fared compared to Obama... vi5 May 2018 #229

So you don't like math if it doesn't support your opinions. ehrnst May 2018 #230

I repeat... vi5 May 2018 #331

I repeat... ehrnst May 2018 #359

I think what is so irritating to many of us.. honest.abe May 2018 #240

+1000 (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #288

I'm not sure how the solution to that is... vi5 May 2018 #332

It is a solution.. honest.abe May 2018 #356

I would have wrote that, but I didn't need to louis c May 2018 #306

bookmarking n/t rzemanfl May 2018 #217

71 percent of Jewish voters voted for Hillary Clinton oberliner May 2018 #376

So....... vi5 May 2018 #389

Only 24 percent of Jewish voters voted for Trump, not 29 oberliner May 2018 #390

Which number of voters was higher? vi5 May 2018 #391

A vote for Stein was a vote for Trump Gothmog May 2018 #397

Yes the Jewish vote went to Clinton heavily Gothmog May 2018 #396

I'd like to give a shout out to ..... HenryWallace May 2018 #222

Living in a world without consequences. BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #224

Another DU factional hate thread. philly_bob May 2018 #232

I think they are aware of what it ignores. It strikes me that it serves, for some, a purpose of KPN May 2018 #265

Exactly Raine May 2018 #339

Why don't you take this to JPR instead of here? KPN May 2018 #236

Because I have some loyalty to DU. philly_bob May 2018 #249

Huh? KPN May 2018 #266

On Facebook they went after those who expressed doubts about Hillary and talked them kimbutgar May 2018 #252

Your story rings true; nasty tactics were everywhere on Facebook. philly_bob May 2018 #271

This was the thing that did it. liberalmuse May 2018 #264

Past BlueDog22 May 2018 #267

No, it is exactly what's needed to build momentum. Wwcd May 2018 #277

Embracing their tactics is not a winning strategy.. jmo disillusioned73 May 2018 #318

Neither is embracing those who intentionally set out on a mission to undermine our US govt Wwcd May 2018 #322

Voters BlueDog22 May 2018 #345

Nope, that mindset could be supported after Nader, but not after it happened again and it is clear stevenleser May 2018 #280

Not really.. stein and sarandon will do this shite again and Cha May 2018 #343

I saved the world from Hillary and all I got was this lousy Rapture (and $1.50 a week) SFnomad May 2018 #281

I wonder why none of you are ripping on moderate dems who swung to Trump lovemydogs May 2018 #283

I wonder if any of their family members will be deployed to Iran arthritisR_US May 2018 #287

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Its a reminder to not commit the same mistake. honest.abe May 2018 #307

One thing that is being missed in all of this... chwaliszewski May 2018 #313

You're totally on point! Raine May 2018 #342

Exactly BlueDog22 May 2018 #347

And many of them didnt vote because.. honest.abe May 2018 #357

+1 betsuni May 2018 #358

Oh barf Faux pas May 2018 #317

Look who's talking. Cha May 2018 #338

Nader taught stein how to screw Democrats Gothmog May 2018 #381