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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
20. Why were several police officers there in the first place?
Fri May 11, 2018, 09:09 AM
May 2018

I once heard a very high official in the Obama Administration, an African-American man, talk about being stopped by police when he was 16 and had just started driving.

He tried to remember everything his mother had told him to do in these situations, but he was so frightened he kept messing up. He said the blood was pounding so loudly in his ears that he had trouble hearing the cop and his hands were shaking so much, he was very slow at following his orders. He kept asking the cop to repeat himself, which the cop took as being uncooperative and a wiseass.

The cop got more and more agitated and started yelling at him, which, of course, made him even more nervous and shaky. The cop lost his temper and ordered him out of the car. He was so terrified at that point that he just froze. Then the cop pulled his gun and ordered him out again, telling him he had better be out in five seconds or there’d be hell to pay.

Just then, another police car pulled up and - thank God - one of men in that car was a community policing officer who was one of this kid’s basketball coaches. He saw the look of confusion and terror on the kid’s face, how red-faced the cop was and immediately what was going on. He calmly stepped between the angry cop and the car and de-escalated the situation on the spot.

My friend said that he still shudders when he thinks about that incident and how it could have turned out had his coach not shown up.

It also helps to demonstrate why the admonishments that people “should have just done what the police told them” and “he wasn’t following orders so she was committing a crime” are so misplaced and, frankly, tone-deaf. Such expectations might be fine for whites people for whom being beaten or shot by a police officer isn’t anywhere on their radar. But if you step into the skin of an African American and consider what this looks and feels like to them, it’s not so simple.

“Cooperation” for a 65-year old white woman probably looks very different than it does for her black counterpart. Refusing to get out of the car may, to a white woman, be defiance and a crime. To a black woman, it may be a survival instinct.

Please take into account the abject, visceral terror that flashing blue lights and a police officer barking orders can trigger in an African American before judging their non-violent reactions as a criminal act that deserves further abuse.

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That happens to 65-year-old white women all the time dalton99a May 2018 #1
Pretty close FBaggins May 2018 #3
Why were several police officers there in the first place? EffieBlack May 2018 #20
Who were the professionals? zipplewrath May 2018 #31
Exactly! EffieBlack May 2018 #41
A problem the police won't address zipplewrath May 2018 #54
Except that doesn't appear to be the case here - until after Legg shows up FBaggins May 2018 #56
She had reason to be afraid and requested a supervisor...and the swerve thing is often used for Demsrule86 May 2018 #65
So the cop had ESP? FBaggins May 2018 #66
"I don't see any reason for her to be afraid for several minutes after the stop." EffieBlack May 2018 #67
As I said... the entire video is available. Have you watched it? FBaggins May 2018 #68
Seriously, after all the killings, Black people have no reason to fear the police...I have very few Demsrule86 May 2018 #71
Once again you insist on refering to OTHER events FBaggins May 2018 #73
He could have...I have to say. When I look at who is pulled over in my area, of the once I see... Demsrule86 May 2018 #69
What if I said that I've hardly ever seen a person of color pulled over? FBaggins May 2018 #74
He ran her plates...race is on the license in most states. Demsrule86 May 2018 #70
I remember a few years back Crabby Appleton May 2018 #59
Wow... just... wow FBaggins May 2018 #60
I've yet to see anyone claim that white people are never abused by the police, so this is irrelevant EffieBlack May 2018 #61
That is not logically consistent. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #76
Oh good. Lord EffieBlack May 2018 #77
Add "ridiculous" to "delusional" and "gaslight[ing]," I suppose Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #78
Yep. EffieBlack May 2018 #80
Whatever gets you through the day Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #82
She was probably as terrified of them as she would have been of any three armed attackers. tblue37 May 2018 #2
If I were black and stopped at night by cops, I would not get out of the car. marble falls May 2018 #4
and then they shoot you, or drag you out and manhandle you. Afromania May 2018 #13
Only white people are allowed to be scared. EffieBlack May 2018 #21
If I have a choice of whether I am shot in my car with both hands in a death grip on the wheel.... marble falls May 2018 #36
They have stopped me at night, and I have complied. IluvPitties May 2018 #28
Agreed, do whatever you need to do to stay alive. Even if its grab onto the wheel with both hands... marble falls May 2018 #40
And yet, as we've often seen, that's not a guarantee that you'll come out alive if you're black EffieBlack May 2018 #42
Its a Hobson's choice. You may well lose your life either way. marble falls May 2018 #47
WTF is wrong with these guys? Bettie May 2018 #5
They use charges like drifting and cracked lenses as "probable cause" to look for stronger charges. marble falls May 2018 #6
So, just an excuse to stop someone Bettie May 2018 #14
In Arizona they actually use staying in the same lane too long as suspicious and probable.... marble falls May 2018 #16
It boils down to police department administration. Blue_true May 2018 #33
Two examples, my town cops and the Chicago cops.... marble falls May 2018 #44
And that stronger charge is maxrandb May 2018 #19
It can become resisting arrest, assaulting an officer or just looking into car and finding... marble falls May 2018 #23
Anything can become "resisting arrest" under the right circumstances EffieBlack May 2018 #25
Thats the worst of it. Anything is anything a cop wants it to be: cell phones and bad shaddows... marble falls May 2018 #29
Definitely! EffieBlack May 2018 #32
We need to weed super alphas out. As well as the panic prone. marble falls May 2018 #46
Often, with some cops, stopping a black person is the first step toward looking for more serious Blue_true May 2018 #34
When and why the hell (I think I know why) Solomon May 2018 #37
How about changing the law maxrandb May 2018 #18
I agree BlueJac May 2018 #24
Yeah, it should be changed Bettie May 2018 #26
Guess what country you're in....n/t CanSocDem May 2018 #7
Georgia? Good thing she wasn't black and Canadian. GreatCaesarsGhost May 2018 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #9
Says the guy who joined today? FBaggins May 2018 #10
It was--first and last Maeve May 2018 #11
This one's been banned two or three time today alone. At least two times yesterday.... marble falls May 2018 #15
Yay for MIRT! Is there a better way to call them in? FBaggins May 2018 #17
If something needs alerting, alert it every single time. Don't ignore the troll but don't escalate.. marble falls May 2018 #22
Sure... but there doesn't apear to be an alert type that means "MIRT needed" FBaggins May 2018 #57
Join MIRT. Use the link I posted to find a member of MIRT. You should be able to find... marble falls May 2018 #75
Fuck the police. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #12
She was not "dragged" out of her car. Lil Missy May 2018 #27
What verb would you use, Lil Missy? WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #38
Wtf!? Solomon May 2018 #39
She certainly was...and Can I just say it makes me throw up in my mouth to see people Demsrule86 May 2018 #49
You must be looking at the wrong video. marble falls May 2018 #53
I don't understand how you watched the video and that was your immediate response? gollygee May 2018 #62
Disgusting...they have suspended the cop at least. Demsrule86 May 2018 #30
And people will STILL defend it EffieBlack May 2018 #43
I don't understand that...it was a horrible performance and he cursed at her also...what a pig! Demsrule86 May 2018 #48
They didn't suspend the officer who pulled her over FBaggins May 2018 #58
I don't think it matters...he was the worst but I think they all should be suspended...as they stood Demsrule86 May 2018 #63
very frustrating heaven05 May 2018 #35
This could be your mother or grandmother. Johnny2X2X May 2018 #45
She requested a supervisor be called to the scene Phoenix61 May 2018 #50
They dragged her out of her car for refusing to sign? LuckyCharms May 2018 #51
White trash Pigs Submariner May 2018 #52
It's infuriating just to read any pro-racist posts here, EffieBlack. You are kind, patient, Judi Lynn May 2018 #55
Absolutely true...and look at this new OP...unbelievable. Demsrule86 May 2018 #64
+1000 sheshe2 May 2018 #79
K&R ismnotwasm May 2018 #72
You are right about the comments, Effie. sheshe2 May 2018 #81
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