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zipplewrath

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31. Who were the professionals?

Fri May 11, 2018, 09:56 AM

May 2018

It was a question I used to ask the volunteers at the crisis hotline all the time. People would call up and be quite agitated about something. Yes, it wasn't the volunteers fault. Yes, the caller was rude. But the caller was the one "in crisis". The volunteer was trained to handle it. The person in crisis wasn't trained, and probably didn't understand how stuff workds. And it was "impersonal" to the volunteer. Calm the situation, don't escalate.

The vast majority of the police conflicts occur because the FIRST choice of the police seems to be to escalate. ASK why they don't want to sign the ticket. Don't debate, but one can "teach" at the moment. "No, ma'am, you're not admitting guilt, you're merely acknowledging receipt of the ticket. It's kinda like registered mail.".

(Although I agree with the poster that suggested we stop making this a crime. Heck, take a photo of the driver, or have the body cam showing you offering the written ticket to the driver. They wanna dispute it, let 'em.)

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Police drag 65-year-old woman out of her car. Guess what race she is ... [View all] EffieBlack May 2018 OP

That happens to 65-year-old white women all the time dalton99a May 2018 #1

Pretty close FBaggins May 2018 #3

Why were several police officers there in the first place? EffieBlack May 2018 #20

Who were the professionals? zipplewrath May 2018 #31

Exactly! EffieBlack May 2018 #41

A problem the police won't address zipplewrath May 2018 #54

Except that doesn't appear to be the case here - until after Legg shows up FBaggins May 2018 #56

She had reason to be afraid and requested a supervisor...and the swerve thing is often used for Demsrule86 May 2018 #65

So the cop had ESP? FBaggins May 2018 #66

"I don't see any reason for her to be afraid for several minutes after the stop." EffieBlack May 2018 #67

As I said... the entire video is available. Have you watched it? FBaggins May 2018 #68

Seriously, after all the killings, Black people have no reason to fear the police...I have very few Demsrule86 May 2018 #71

Once again you insist on refering to OTHER events FBaggins May 2018 #73

He could have...I have to say. When I look at who is pulled over in my area, of the once I see... Demsrule86 May 2018 #69

What if I said that I've hardly ever seen a person of color pulled over? FBaggins May 2018 #74

He ran her plates...race is on the license in most states. Demsrule86 May 2018 #70

I remember a few years back Crabby Appleton May 2018 #59

Wow... just... wow FBaggins May 2018 #60

I've yet to see anyone claim that white people are never abused by the police, so this is irrelevant EffieBlack May 2018 #61

That is not logically consistent. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #76

Oh good. Lord EffieBlack May 2018 #77

Add "ridiculous" to "delusional" and "gaslight[ing]," I suppose Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #78

Yep. EffieBlack May 2018 #80

Whatever gets you through the day Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #82

She was probably as terrified of them as she would have been of any three armed attackers. tblue37 May 2018 #2

If I were black and stopped at night by cops, I would not get out of the car. marble falls May 2018 #4

and then they shoot you, or drag you out and manhandle you. Afromania May 2018 #13

Only white people are allowed to be scared. EffieBlack May 2018 #21

If I have a choice of whether I am shot in my car with both hands in a death grip on the wheel.... marble falls May 2018 #36

They have stopped me at night, and I have complied. IluvPitties May 2018 #28

Agreed, do whatever you need to do to stay alive. Even if its grab onto the wheel with both hands... marble falls May 2018 #40

And yet, as we've often seen, that's not a guarantee that you'll come out alive if you're black EffieBlack May 2018 #42

Its a Hobson's choice. You may well lose your life either way. marble falls May 2018 #47

WTF is wrong with these guys? Bettie May 2018 #5

They use charges like drifting and cracked lenses as "probable cause" to look for stronger charges. marble falls May 2018 #6

So, just an excuse to stop someone Bettie May 2018 #14

In Arizona they actually use staying in the same lane too long as suspicious and probable.... marble falls May 2018 #16

It boils down to police department administration. Blue_true May 2018 #33

Two examples, my town cops and the Chicago cops.... marble falls May 2018 #44

And that stronger charge is maxrandb May 2018 #19

It can become resisting arrest, assaulting an officer or just looking into car and finding... marble falls May 2018 #23

Anything can become "resisting arrest" under the right circumstances EffieBlack May 2018 #25

Thats the worst of it. Anything is anything a cop wants it to be: cell phones and bad shaddows... marble falls May 2018 #29

Definitely! EffieBlack May 2018 #32

We need to weed super alphas out. As well as the panic prone. marble falls May 2018 #46

Often, with some cops, stopping a black person is the first step toward looking for more serious Blue_true May 2018 #34

When and why the hell (I think I know why) Solomon May 2018 #37

How about changing the law maxrandb May 2018 #18

I agree BlueJac May 2018 #24

Yeah, it should be changed Bettie May 2018 #26

Guess what country you're in....n/t CanSocDem May 2018 #7

Georgia? Good thing she wasn't black and Canadian. GreatCaesarsGhost May 2018 #8

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #9

Says the guy who joined today? FBaggins May 2018 #10

It was--first and last Maeve May 2018 #11

This one's been banned two or three time today alone. At least two times yesterday.... marble falls May 2018 #15

Yay for MIRT! Is there a better way to call them in? FBaggins May 2018 #17

If something needs alerting, alert it every single time. Don't ignore the troll but don't escalate.. marble falls May 2018 #22

Sure... but there doesn't apear to be an alert type that means "MIRT needed" FBaggins May 2018 #57

Join MIRT. Use the link I posted to find a member of MIRT. You should be able to find... marble falls May 2018 #75

Fuck the police. WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #12

She was not "dragged" out of her car. Lil Missy May 2018 #27

What verb would you use, Lil Missy? WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #38

Wtf!? Solomon May 2018 #39

She certainly was...and Can I just say it makes me throw up in my mouth to see people Demsrule86 May 2018 #49

You must be looking at the wrong video. marble falls May 2018 #53

I don't understand how you watched the video and that was your immediate response? gollygee May 2018 #62

Disgusting...they have suspended the cop at least. Demsrule86 May 2018 #30

And people will STILL defend it EffieBlack May 2018 #43

I don't understand that...it was a horrible performance and he cursed at her also...what a pig! Demsrule86 May 2018 #48

They didn't suspend the officer who pulled her over FBaggins May 2018 #58

I don't think it matters...he was the worst but I think they all should be suspended...as they stood Demsrule86 May 2018 #63

very frustrating heaven05 May 2018 #35

This could be your mother or grandmother. Johnny2X2X May 2018 #45

She requested a supervisor be called to the scene Phoenix61 May 2018 #50

They dragged her out of her car for refusing to sign? LuckyCharms May 2018 #51

White trash Pigs Submariner May 2018 #52

It's infuriating just to read any pro-racist posts here, EffieBlack. You are kind, patient, Judi Lynn May 2018 #55

Absolutely true...and look at this new OP...unbelievable. Demsrule86 May 2018 #64

+1000 sheshe2 May 2018 #79

K&R ismnotwasm May 2018 #72

You are right about the comments, Effie. sheshe2 May 2018 #81