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ProudLib72

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13. As long as Jews were a minority and lived under dhimmi rules

Tue May 15, 2018, 06:53 PM

May 2018

they were tolerated. The Ottomans were absentee landlords, and the quality of government (heck the quality of life period) was not so great in Palestine, so there were only a very few (maybe 1,000) Jewish families. Toward the end of the Ottoman empire, things picked up, but it wasn't really until British occupation that things really changed. The Balfour Declaration made it clear what was going to happen after WWII ended.

You know, when I was in Israel years ago, I thought about crossing over the border to Jordan. A visa for people from most countries was only 10 or 20 Shekels. For Americans, it was 50 Shekels. For Brits it was 100 Shekels. Whom do you suppose the Jordanians blame the most for Israel?

Anyway, all that is over and done with. I agree that the two state solution is the only viable solution.

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How Palestinian youth would solve the conflict with Israel [View all] ProudLib72 May 2018 OP

they want Israel gone. Mosby May 2018 #1

They are also ignoring the fact there has been a Jewish presence in that land for 4,000 years. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #3

If there is going to be peace the only way it will happen is with a two-state solution still_one May 2018 #7

There is a little bit of truth in both narratives. That's what makes it so hard to reconcile. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #8

As long as Jews were a minority and lived under dhimmi rules ProudLib72 May 2018 #13

The whole idea of dhimmi status is really for lack of a better word offensive. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #16

Oh it is offensive! ProudLib72 May 2018 #19

I think the best way to solve this conflict is with a THREE- --make that a FOUR-- -state solution meow2u3 May 2018 #43

I am not Jewish, but I know many Jews who were basically kicked out of their countries Sophia4 May 2018 #4

Enforcing religious freedom in every country Yupster May 2018 #50

If it can't be enforced in Pakistan, it shouldn't be enforced in any other country including Sophia4 May 2018 #55

Why does it matter if the embassy is in Tel Aviv or W Jerusalem? oberliner May 2018 #56

It matters because the original UN mandate, to my understanding, provided that Sophia4 May 2018 #57

The embassy is nowhere near the Old City where all the important religious sites are oberliner May 2018 #59

How many Jews are left alive in Gaza? Fozzledick May 2018 #2

There are people on both sides who aren't interested in peace. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #5

They include anyone advocating a "one state solution" to destroy Israel. Fozzledick May 2018 #23

Aren't there Jewish settlements in Gaza? Blue_true May 2018 #20

No, Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005. Fozzledick May 2018 #25

"Aren't there Jewish settlements in Gaza? " DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #26

Ok. Thanks. Blue_true May 2018 #30

This is a not so subtle way to say they want to eliminate Israel, and the assessment about "not still_one May 2018 #6

You don't see anything "about violent means to end the Jewish state"... FBaggins May 2018 #9

I can't think of a way that that happens without violence and creating another diaspora. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #10

Maybe in the younger ones ProudLib72 May 2018 #11

The one state solution is a non starter. I wouldn't even want to share a parcel of land with... DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #12

It seems Palestinian youth would end the conflict sarisataka May 2018 #14

"I'm not reading anything about violent means to end the Jewish state." oberliner May 2018 #15

Abu Mazen did his PHD thesis on Holocaust denial. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #17

You're being disingenuous again ProudLib72 May 2018 #21

No, I'm not oberliner May 2018 #22

"One of the persons quoted literally says that the Jews should be sent to Germany." ProudLib72 May 2018 #35

Your charitable interpretation is wrong MaybeYourCousin May 2018 #48

Sorry but you are dead wrong ProudLib72 May 2018 #49

Occupation as commonly understood by Palestinian Arabs MaybeYourCousin May 2018 #53

I believe you are getting two terms confused ProudLib72 May 2018 #54

Definitions MaybeYourCousin May 2018 #61

"Most of them come from Germany and other European countries." DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #24

The party line is "One state equals the elimination of Israel" Crunchy Frog May 2018 #18

Send the Jews back to Germany? oberliner May 2018 #29

I know that's a rhetorical question. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #31

That's not even remotely close to being true oberliner May 2018 #32

That the lion's share of Israel's citizens were born there (Israel) ? DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #33

Sabras, call them sabras ProudLib72 May 2018 #36

Yeah. I know a lot of second, third, and fourth generation Israelis. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #38

Have you read AB Yehoshua's Mr Mani? ProudLib72 May 2018 #39

There are many on both sides who won't acknowledge the other's humanity, identity, and yearnings. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #40

Misunderstood the post oberliner May 2018 #44

I won't even dignify that with an answer, Crunchy Frog May 2018 #45

You wrote: "I think the kids in the post are right." oberliner May 2018 #46

I'm not in favor of deportation. Crunchy Frog May 2018 #47

A one state solution is not tenable. DetroitLegalBeagle May 2018 #51

Do you think Hamas would support a secular state? hack89 May 2018 #58

One state where all are equal citizens? guillaumeb May 2018 #27

Finally! ProudLib72 May 2018 #37

In an ideal two state solution there could be economic cooperation between the two nations. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #41

Yes, this is what I have thought all along ProudLib72 May 2018 #42

That could be a solution, guillaumeb May 2018 #62

That would put Jewish holy sites leftynyc May 2018 #64

Then eternal violence is the only probable result. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #65

They all want sabbat hunter May 2018 #28

as we fight the conflict here on DU .... kwassa May 2018 #34

Pretty horrifying. NCTraveler May 2018 #52

There must be no "one-state solution" for Israel Devil Child May 2018 #60

What do you see as a potential solution? oberliner May 2018 #63