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Pab Sungenis

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34. That depends on the lesson we take away from the loss.

Mon Jan 2, 2012, 06:36 PM

Jan 2012

If we look at the fact that he lost because he alienated his base and "compromised" away all his core principles, then MAYBE we get a real Democrat as our 2016 nominee.

If people swallow the lie that Obama lost because he was "too liberal" and force a DNC-style Blue Dog on us in 2016, then we lose everything because the "center" will shift even further right.

And if he wins? It will mean just a slower march to the right unless we get a REAL Democratic successor for him four years later.

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If Obama loses [View all] nobodyspecial Jan 2012 OP

A lot of people patting themselves on the back. RandySF Jan 2012 #1

"A lot" ??? Seriously????? PA Democrat Jan 2012 #20

They like to falsely inflate their numbers. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #36

You are an expert on blowhards it seems n/t HangOnKids Jan 2012 #56

The anti-Obama left wins some schadenfreude points killbotfactory Jan 2012 #2

Pivot to capture left leaning independents Hawkowl Jan 2012 #5

an election is not a mandate roseBudd Jan 2012 #7

Disasterous republican economic policy, along with their obstruction killbotfactory Jan 2012 #18

Enormous amounts of money that does not have to be accounted for, murielm99 Jan 2012 #27

You aren't going to win. Obama will beat you. Every time. MjolnirTime Jan 2012 #38

It is way too early to start this Curmudgeoness Jan 2012 #3

I'm just trying to understand nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #4

You have to allow for the possibility Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #21

You Sure Have DU Figured Out HangOnKids Jan 2012 #61

Guess my secret? Dewey Finn Jan 2012 #73

Nothing good for the 99% & the best chance the 1% will ever have to undo the New Deal roseBudd Jan 2012 #6

We won't gain anything and will lose a lot.... vi5 Jan 2012 #8

a nightmare tnvoter Jan 2012 #9

It depends customerserviceguy Jan 2012 #10

Nothing good unless you're the 1%. CakeGrrl Jan 2012 #11

Democrats gain the realization that moving the party to the right is the WRONG direction cowcommander Jan 2012 #12

Nah, they'll blame it on the liberal faction of the Party.... tpsbmam Jan 2012 #15

It was Nader's fault Charlemagne Jan 2012 #55

Who are these Democrats? nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #19

That's what was said when we sat home in 2010. joshcryer Jan 2012 #58

When has the defeat of a Democratic candidate ever led to that happening? Telly Savalas Jan 2012 #64

an historic opportunity SixthSense Jan 2012 #13

Please map this out more clearly for me nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #17

Here's the strategy SixthSense Jan 2012 #26

OK, so we've made clear who need need to vote against. Telly Savalas Jan 2012 #65

Cleaning the democratic party house will be my wish, but ... mazzarro Jan 2012 #28

Here's the first step SixthSense Jan 2012 #48

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!! Zoeisright Jan 2012 #44

Good luck with that nt TNProfessor Jan 2012 #46

Those most responsible for it will have the consolation of scapegoating "the left." JackRiddler Jan 2012 #14

Anarcho-Capitalism. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #16

Little different from our current system of corporate communism and oligarchical collectivism.. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #66

It'll be 2000 all over again! Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #22

I'm truly afraid that there will be very little to pick up nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #23

More of the party needs to move right thingy. mmonk Jan 2012 #24

We don't "gain" anything. We get Mitt and nobody will notice the slightest difference. leeroysphitz Jan 2012 #25

Right, I almost forgot the key point here. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #30

Well, I could be wrong. We'll find out more at the debates. leeroysphitz Jan 2012 #32

Sounds about right whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #33

It seems the only difference is the speed Union Scribe Jan 2012 #40

thats what I was thinking Charlemagne Jan 2012 #62

We'll finally be able to move the party to the right instead of letting the liberals blackmail Karmadillo Jan 2012 #29

Say what???? monmouth Jan 2012 #31

+1 Fumesucker Jan 2012 #37

That depends on the lesson we take away from the loss. Pab Sungenis Jan 2012 #34

What lesson was learned from the ass-kicking of 2010? bhikkhu Jan 2012 #70

Nothing LeftishBrit Jan 2012 #35

Well we should gain a war or two, starting with Iran Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #39

But lets concentrate on bashing Obama because that seems more important to some? stevenleser Jan 2012 #43

I saw their bingo card, the problem is that they have 3 million playing Motown_Johnny Jan 2012 #47

Yes, we will very likelt attack Iran. joshcryer Jan 2012 #59

Depends on who he loses to. Jon Ace Jan 2012 #41

The end of the country. Zoeisright Jan 2012 #42

You must be very young. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #53

One ProSense Jan 2012 #45

we do the same thing... dennis4868 Jan 2012 #49

bunch of smug DUers lillypaddle Jan 2012 #50

Yep, same people who celebrated blue dog defeats (while ignoring progressive defeats)... joshcryer Jan 2012 #60

We gain nothing. Maybe we all will work together to help each other because if the republicans southernyankeebelle Jan 2012 #51

I'd be more impressed if you guys could articulate what exactly we will gain if he wins. Pholus Jan 2012 #52

If I could tell the future, I wouldnt be here posting about what Obama might do. stevenleser Jan 2012 #54

All very good reasons. Much better than "the alternative is worse!" Pholus Jan 2012 #69

There is another reason. We are going to lose the senate for the forseeable future. If we also lose stevenleser Jan 2012 #72

Didn't realize I was "you guys" nobodyspecial Jan 2012 #63

Nothing is gained by the President losing this election. Pholus Jan 2012 #68

I'd like to see the end of the war in Afghanistan bhikkhu Jan 2012 #71

¡Ya Basta! Xicano Jan 2012 #57

Easy.... quickesst Jan 2012 #67