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110. I'll see that and I'll raise you

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Fri May 25, 2018, 12:42 PM

May 2018

I'd just as soon ditch our anthem altogether... No melodic flow whatsoever...

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Anyone else OK with stopping all National Anthems at sporting events? [View all] USALiberal May 2018 OP

Yes, please. n/t leftstreet May 2018 #1

Yes, indeed. forgotmylogin May 2018 #236

i agree... why is it even part of the event? samnsara May 2018 #2

I went to a concert last week, no National Anthem there. So why sports? nt USALiberal May 2018 #5

Shhhhh. You'll give people ideas. n/t PoliticAverse May 2018 #204

I say we stop watching/attending all NFL football games & boycott these racist, bigotted a-holes!! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #88

Nailed it...these NFL owners supported the Trump campaign. Why should we help them make money to be Demsrule86 May 2018 #108

Even more effective is stop buying football paraphernalia lunatica May 2018 #180

Great idea. Demsrule86 May 2018 #183

And $8 hot dogs and $12 beer. BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #224

YES! Roland99 May 2018 #3

The DOD paid NFL owners with taxpayer dollars to promote the military flag onit2day May 2018 #101

AND the NFL enjoys tax-exempt status. calimary May 2018 #199

It did change, see... PoliticAverse May 2018 #208

YES ALSO! :) Teams used to come out AFTER Hortensis May 2018 #205

Yes. greymattermom May 2018 #4

When do you stand? dawg May 2018 #40

Patriotism by rote is not true love of country kiri May 2018 #99

I have no problem standing for both - YMMV hardluck May 2018 #171

Done at the NASCAR races in Michigan too MichMan May 2018 #173

Just do what Churchill Downs does. greymattermom May 2018 #6

Nah but participation should be voluntary DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #7

Why do you think we need it? Concerts don't have them. nt USALiberal May 2018 #10

There are plenty of "hills" I'm prepared to die on. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #24

Ahhh.....OK, what ever that means. nt USALiberal May 2018 #34

As long as participation is voluntary on those playing and observing the Anthem is voluntary DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #37

You have to know it will never be voluntary. But carry on. nt USALiberal May 2018 #39

What happens to the right of the team that wants the Anthem performed at their events ? DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #43

If you NEED to hear an "anthem" at a sporting event to KNOW Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #59

If I don't want to stand for the Anthem I can sit or I can stay home. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #67

Sorry, you're oversimplifying it angrychair May 2018 #92

+1 Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #111

That was very very very well said. pangaia May 2018 #150

Spot on.... the march to Facism is the real fight. NoMoreRepugs May 2018 #262

In today's climate, participation is not really voluntary Ms. Toad May 2018 #156

I agree with you that bucking convention is extraordinarily difficult. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #194

It's not an issue that I feel drawn to spend time on. Ms. Toad May 2018 #200

Many other issues are worth a concerted fight. This is not among them. nature-lover May 2018 #44

Precisely. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #48

So the kneeling players are wrong to protest? Not worth the fight? nt USALiberal May 2018 #64

Yes, it is worth the fight! I was just explaining the previous post where the author said ... nature-lover May 2018 #162

OK, sorry! Thank you!! nt USALiberal May 2018 #166

No problem. I should have been more specific. Posts were not consecutive as I had hoped. nature-lover May 2018 #169

+100 Demsrule86 May 2018 #184

We don't 'need' sporting events, either. LanternWaste May 2018 #49

I'm in complete agreement SoCalNative May 2018 #87

"should be voluntary"? shanny May 2018 #76

Or an NBA player. Dr. Strange May 2018 #115

Wasn't aware of that--I think things have changed in the NBA though. shanny May 2018 #198

Me. CanonRay May 2018 #8

I agree!!! nt USALiberal May 2018 #12

It's almost - almost - as silly as a prayer braying over a loudspeaker Glorfindel May 2018 #9

Prayers over loud speakers? charliea May 2018 #91

Yes and stop playing God Bless America during 7th inning stretch Va Lefty May 2018 #11

+ 1000! nt USALiberal May 2018 #14

+1 treestar May 2018 #26

The Cubs still play MontanaMama May 2018 #213

I thought they played Take Me Out to the Ball Game PoindexterOglethorpe May 2018 #42

they used to shanny May 2018 #78

They did when Harry Caray was alive, anyway... PoliticAverse May 2018 #210

Didn't the switch to God Bless America TDale313 May 2018 #252

After 9/11, but now only played on Sundays DeminPennswoods May 2018 #256

100% ok with it. Greybnk48 May 2018 #13

Players should still feel free to protest, anthem or no oberliner May 2018 #15

The message IS getting lost. And that's the reason for the manufactured brouhaha. Aristus May 2018 #31

Agreed. TreasonousBastard May 2018 #16

Of course. There was never a good reason to do it in the first place. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #17

I say keep the national anthem before sporting events. dawg May 2018 #18

Why do you think we need it? Concerts, for example don't have them. nt USALiberal May 2018 #19

I don't like the idea of letting political considerations change our traditions. dawg May 2018 #36

Want a list of traditions we got rid of?? nt USALiberal May 2018 #118

It's not a tradition. eggplant May 2018 #134

Bullshit! dawg May 2018 #159

Let's put abolishing the anthem in the Dem platform SCantiGOP May 2018 #168

I remember as a kid mgardener May 2018 #190

What's a practical reason for keeping it? BannonsLiver May 2018 #186

Not letting Republicans take ownership of it. dawg May 2018 #189

That's an emotional argument, not a practical argument BannonsLiver May 2018 #191

Lots of people want to hear it. It makes them feel patriotic. dawg May 2018 #193

and god bless america too scarytomcat May 2018 #20

I agree!!! nt USALiberal May 2018 #21

Absolutely... it's embarrassing. defacto7 May 2018 #22

That's a start. Progressive dog May 2018 #23

I am fine with that treestar May 2018 #25

No more anthems at simulations of war please. DemocracyMouse May 2018 #27

I like this song better DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #57

Bruce singing Woody Guthrie! DemocracyMouse May 2018 #63

I already ignore it. If they stopped it and didn't tell me, I might not even notice. Iggo May 2018 #28

Yes. They are not political events. Shrike47 May 2018 #29

The attempt to associate (mostly) male athletics with patriotism.... Orsino May 2018 #30

I couldnt care less what the leagues decide in this area. NCTraveler May 2018 #32

As long as observance isn't compulsory DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #47

I couldn't care less about that either. NCTraveler May 2018 #50

As long as the kneeler has the same right as the stander I am content. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #52

"As long as the kneeler has the same right as the stander I am content." NCTraveler May 2018 #55

IMO the NFL has a right to play the Anthem and the players have a right to stand or kneel. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #60

I don't get where you are at. NCTraveler May 2018 #65

What if a player is a Jehovah's Witness ? DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #68

lol. NCTraveler May 2018 #70

For that matter, by law Mr.Bill May 2018 #93

Absolutely correct. NCTraveler May 2018 #96

I will be the bigger poster, take the high road, and not respond with an ad hominem of my own. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #94

Don't believe the video. NCTraveler May 2018 #100

If you believe that video is dispositive there is nothing I can do to disabuse you of that notion. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #109

No. The law requires companies to make "reasonable accommodations" for employee religious beliefs.. PoliticAverse May 2018 #211

Sounds like you might agree with the NFL penalty stance. Nice. nt USALiberal May 2018 #73

What part of the NFL has a right to play the Anthem and the players have a right to stand or kneel DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #119

Players kneeling is a form of free speech. avebury May 2018 #89

My position DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #130

I would hope that a good attorney would avebury May 2018 #138

It would be very hard to prove it was because of Trump MichMan May 2018 #172

Trump created a problem where no problem existed. DemocratSinceBirth May 2018 #195

I am other than actual international events RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #33

That makes sense! nt USALiberal May 2018 #35

Yes, and also stop the demonstrations of our war machines and highlighting presence of politicians. NCjack May 2018 #38

Yes stop the anthem and 7th inning bull shit at baseball wasupaloopa May 2018 #41

I'm good with making it TOTALLY Voluntary. sellitman May 2018 #45

Aboslutely Hokie May 2018 #46

Yes, as well as those military jet flyovers. jalan48 May 2018 #51

Yes.....fine with me CatMor May 2018 #53

I mute them all anyway, so YES...however, it will NEVER happen. nt Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #54

I prefer they stay. I am PROUD to remove my hat and put my hand on my heart. Stinky The Clown May 2018 #56

I do it at games only because you are expected to. And no doubt would get scorned it I didn't. nt USALiberal May 2018 #61

I think playing it is stupid mythology May 2018 #58

I don't care. I am usually trying to pee or get a hotdog before the game starts. dameatball May 2018 #62

We do not need the national anthem at sporting events blueinredohio May 2018 #66

Raising Hand ProfessorGAC May 2018 #69

Are you suggesting it be prohibited? MichMan May 2018 #71

No, just asking how many here would be fine if it was stopped. nt USALiberal May 2018 #72

YES. And the military displays too. Like, yesterday. shanny May 2018 #74

Would people even notice it was gone? Nevernose May 2018 #75

The right wingers would FREAK OUT! nt USALiberal May 2018 #77

That would be my experiment Nevernose May 2018 #82

No we don't need it duforsure May 2018 #79

K & R & I believe you are in the majority on this. Wwcd May 2018 #80

I'm good with that Rorey May 2018 #81

As a long time drag racing fan 90-percent May 2018 #83

I don't care one way or the other DFW May 2018 #84

No, I am proud of this country despite the current problems Amishman May 2018 #85

I'm proud of this country too lunatica May 2018 #181

I'm fine with taking a knee, I don't mind the protests Amishman May 2018 #266

Yes SoCalNative May 2018 #86

We just need to wait a bit OnyxSharpie May 2018 #90

Absolutely! smirkymonkey May 2018 #95

YES happy feet May 2018 #97

This vet agrees... Wounded Bear May 2018 #98

I do not intend to sing or stand for the anthem or recite the Pledge TNNurse May 2018 #102

This vet agrees! SCVDem May 2018 #209

Yes BUT for now let's DEMAND the players have the right to take a knee or we wont Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #103

I agree! I also hope the players find another solution to kneeling, like turning back to field. USALiberal May 2018 #145

I've heard and read too many right wing 'patriots' JustAnotherGen May 2018 #104

YES Auggie May 2018 #105

I am fine with stopping the National Anthem at sporting events Gothmog May 2018 #106

What is the point? So we can help the GOP brand us as anti-American? Demsrule86 May 2018 #107

Your concern is noted. DinahMoeHum May 2018 #137

Thanks... I support kneeling but to suggest that we do away with what is a tradition can only hurts Demsrule86 May 2018 #157

That's better. Hey, if the teams decide NOT to show up. . . DinahMoeHum May 2018 #160

It works for me too...I have had reservations about football since I realized the owners are all Demsrule86 May 2018 #178

Exactly. dawg May 2018 #164

We are the patriots...let's not allow those traitors to define us. Demsrule86 May 2018 #177

+10000 BannonsLiver May 2018 #187

I'll see that and I'll raise you Blue_Tires May 2018 #110

Of course! relayerbob May 2018 #112

Requiring displays of patriotism demeans the nation. byronius May 2018 #113

Absolutely. sinkingfeeling May 2018 #114

Hell Yes! BlueIdaho May 2018 #116

Get Rid of "God Bless America," too. nt Gore1FL May 2018 #117

Irving Berlin would be appalled at what his song has been twisted into Wednesdays May 2018 #136

Superficial displays of patriotism are worse than no display at all Martin Eden May 2018 #120

I'm OK with that mehrrh May 2018 #121

Absolutely! rusty fender May 2018 #122

I never could understand why they do that. Obviously the networks don't put much importance... George II May 2018 #123

One of the defining characteristics of fascism PoindexterOglethorpe May 2018 #124

Yes. paleotn May 2018 #125

A OK. zentrum May 2018 #126

Go for it. Butterflylady May 2018 #127

But we need it as a breather to run to the john. mainer May 2018 #128

Lolllll griloco May 2018 #139

I see no reason to keep Bettie May 2018 #129

Yes including the Olympics gopiscrap May 2018 #131

PLEASE yes! NRaleighLiberal May 2018 #132

I agree completely, but good luck trying to get that bill passed Wednesdays May 2018 #133

It's an important symbol of US Sovereignty bucolic_frolic May 2018 #135

I do get the war thing. Problem now is endless wars also. nt USALiberal May 2018 #143

Yup. AllyCat May 2018 #140

I'm OK with it. DinahMoeHum May 2018 #141

Better whisper that...or tRump will be wanting his own damned anthem. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #217

Yes. Ms. Toad May 2018 #142

Yes! Please! eom LittleGirl May 2018 #144

Yep. We don't pledge before watching Deadpool 2 or Bruno Mars... Anon-C May 2018 #146

National Anthems eh? For the English it can be tricky. mwooldri May 2018 #147

I thought it was interesting that at the end of Harry & Meghan's wedding Raine May 2018 #253

Fine by me vercetti2021 May 2018 #148

It's all part of the show. These are commercial entertainment events. There's really no difference Cognitive_Resonance May 2018 #149

If I'm watching a baseball game, and most of the crowd isn't speaking Japanese or Spanish . . . hatrack May 2018 #151

I'm good with forgetting it altogether. Hulk May 2018 #152

Yes kimbutgar May 2018 #153

Yes! scarletlib May 2018 #154

I doubt you'd be in a minority on DU. malthaussen May 2018 #155

I Agree erpowers May 2018 #158

I'm fine with it stopping, fine with it continuing Devil Child May 2018 #161

Why can't people do what they want. kacekwl May 2018 #163

Trump wouldn't sing the anthem if it were stopped bucolic_frolic May 2018 #165

I have been seeing a lot more of this MuseRider May 2018 #167

Agreed. And to those who say its voluntary, its voluntary MarcA May 2018 #174

Good Idea! burrowowl May 2018 #170

It plays right into Rethug hands - and bigly! sandensea May 2018 #175

Yes yes yes!!!! redstatebluegirl May 2018 #176

If I'm at home watching a sports event on TV kskiska May 2018 #179

an aide to a rethug senator posted on facebook for he stood for the national while at home dembotoz May 2018 #188

Stop buying their products lunatica May 2018 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver May 2018 #185

Sporting events are trivial BannonsLiver May 2018 #192

I'm for nixing the anthem Pepsidog May 2018 #196

I'm ok with stopping it. I'm also ok with not stopping it. Captain Stern May 2018 #197

I thought about this...I don't think we should cede patriotism to the unpatriotic right, but it Demsrule86 May 2018 #203

Does not matter to me as I rarely attend sporting events Freethinker65 May 2018 #201

Why we ever started kills me? juxtaposed May 2018 #202

Definitely...never mix sports, politics and religion. BigmanPigman May 2018 #206

Yes. muntrv May 2018 #207

As long as we can still play Heard it through the grapevine. bluedigger May 2018 #212

I'm for stopping it. MontanaMama May 2018 #214

I agree with this worstexever May 2018 #215

I'd be fine with just playing the game Algernon Moncrieff May 2018 #216

I agree! I've been saying that for a while. LiberalFighter May 2018 #218

Should probably focus on one team for a boycott. LiberalFighter May 2018 #219

I'm all for this!!!!!!!!!!! bluestarone May 2018 #220

We are in a minority, but I agree with you. Nitram May 2018 #221

I used to like it. I was in marching band, and we played it before games. LisaM May 2018 #222

What I believe ... I believe Peaceful Protester May 2018 #223

Priceless perspective! BarbD May 2018 #238

America The Beautiful. Video below alfredo May 2018 #225

or the George Carlin version... AdamGG May 2018 #234

Wonderful. alfredo May 2018 #246

YES. Susan Calvin May 2018 #226

Yeah. Dump it. Hayduke Bomgarte May 2018 #227

Agree to stopping. It represents rampant corporate hypocrisy. KY_EnviroGuy May 2018 #228

absolutely rurallib May 2018 #229

Oh yes WyLoochka May 2018 #230

I think that it should be done, but people should be free to observe or protest it. Blue_true May 2018 #231

Yes Meowmee May 2018 #232

I think the tradition started at the World Series during World War I AdamGG May 2018 #233

Yes. I never understood why it was sung there. I didn't mind it. But why? nt Honeycombe8 May 2018 #235

Anthem Versus Pledge Of Allegiance? Westcoast52 May 2018 #237

I'M LISTENING TO THE FUCKING SONG! Henry Krinkle May 2018 #239

Yes, better to play the home state anthem is there is one or the State song. Alethia Merritt May 2018 #240

Couldn't happen soon enough. cvoogt May 2018 #241

ive never cared for pro sports and many "amaetuer" sports period. AllaN01Bear May 2018 #242

More Than OK colsohlibgal May 2018 #243

Sporting Events are Sporting Events Wolf Frankula May 2018 #244

Yes and yes again JDC May 2018 #245

Definitely. nt greyl May 2018 #247

Works for me. SergeStorms May 2018 #248

The national anthem has zero to do with sports. MrModerate May 2018 #249

You know what the really ironic thing about all of this is? Initech May 2018 #250

We don't do it in church or at work, why at a game? RainCaster May 2018 #251

It'll speed up baseball, for sure. demosincebirth May 2018 #254

Right now, Trump is trying to make himself look like the "the American." C Moon May 2018 #255

Agree DeminPennswoods May 2018 #257

yes heaven05 May 2018 #258

Why not?? BlueJac May 2018 #259

Yes JPPaverage May 2018 #260

I'm in! pazzyanne May 2018 #261

Absofuckinglutely, when more than half the crowd is wearing their MAGA hats and talking .... marble falls May 2018 #263

Where's Woody Guthrie when you need him? RVN VET71 May 2018 #264

Well said. The anthem is cheapened by overuse. AdamGG May 2018 #267

K & R mountain grammy May 2018 #265