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Zalatix

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188. It sure is. Which means the ACLU is illogical, too.

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 02:23 AM

Aug 2012

Either that, or you are being illogical.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/chick-fil-a-gay-marriage-chicago/2012/07/26/id/446713

ACLU Backs Chick-fil-A Against Rahm Emanuel's Threatened Ban

Chicago and Boston might want to keep Chick-fil-A out of their cities but that doesn’t mean they have the right to do so, according to the ACLU.

Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy’s recent comments supporting the “biblical definition” of marriage as between a man and a woman has led to calls by gay rights advocates to boycott the chain. The mayors of Boston and Chicago have recently promised to stop further expansion of the restaurants in their cities. Emanuel weighed in after Chicago Alderman Proco Joe Moreno said he intends to block the chain from opening its second Chicago location because of Cathy’s remarks.

Legal experts said the cities’ push to stop Chick-fil-A doesn’t stand a chance because barring Chick-fil-A over the personal views of its owner is an “open and shut” discrimination case, Fox News reported.

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if Rahm has the right to block a restaurant from being built... [View all] scheming daemons Aug 2012 OP

this is an unpopular use of logic ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2012 #1

It is not logic. The thread title is a lie. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #97

how so? n/t ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2012 #136

It sure is. Which means the ACLU is illogical, too. Zalatix Aug 2012 #188

thanks for pointing that out Whisp Aug 2012 #2

Are we talking about speech or employment practices? LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #3

There has been no suggestion that any of their employment practices are discriminatory... brooklynite Aug 2012 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalAndProud Aug 2012 #33

Actually, the article which a poster below has spammed to this thread.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #144

Town I live in blocked a tattoo parlor, Yeah Its Spin Aug 2012 #4

Did they block it with zoning? sharp_stick Aug 2012 #7

yeah they used zoning Yeah Its Spin Aug 2012 #14

A tattoo parlor that wanted to open in Hoboken NJ about 20 years ago rocktivity Aug 2012 #23

Not that I really care one way or other Confusious Aug 2012 #86

Medical and dental offices would have been better examples, then rocktivity Aug 2012 #158

Because it was a tattoo parlor or because they didn't like the owner? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #56

Absolutely correct. Speck Tater Aug 2012 #5

ITA and bravo to the OP. Butterbean Aug 2012 #156

you're right 100% mysuzuki2 Aug 2012 #6

I agree completely Lucy Goosey Aug 2012 #8

I agree. As distasteful as I find Cathy's bigoted stance.... Raster Aug 2012 #9

No Rahm didn't - he did not say what the OP indicates DURHAM D Aug 2012 #85

Rahm is supporting the Alderman who is blocking the store. former9thward Aug 2012 #145

Spend less time searching for trolls and more time thinking. nt progress2k12nbynd Aug 2012 #174

Have we totally bought into the idea that money is speech? sadbear Aug 2012 #10

K&R and well said like a motherfucker nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2012 #11

and the turn-about is: pepperbear Aug 2012 #12

I agree. Doing the wrong thing for the right reasons is still doing the wrong thing. berni_mccoy Aug 2012 #13

The road to hell and all that... Raster Aug 2012 #25

What did he do wrong? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #49

Well -- Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #53

Has the restaurant actually been blocked from being built? i didn't hear that it had been. AlinPA Aug 2012 #15

In Chicago there is an alderman who has says he has power and plans to use it. hack89 Aug 2012 #16

Thanks! AlinPA Aug 2012 #17

His Ward, His Rules, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2012 #44

I understand that elected officials are above the law hack89 Aug 2012 #95

Yep, we all know Right Wingers hate Chicago. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #100

Of course they do - Chicago gave America President Obama hack89 Aug 2012 #135

Bit Lead-Footed For Sarcasm, Sir The Magistrate Aug 2012 #187

I know. hack89 Aug 2012 #191

Excellent point, Sir. Thanks for bringing it up, Sir. progress2k12nbynd Aug 2012 #175

The city can impose zoning restrictions and force the restaurant to open in JDPriestly Aug 2012 #79

Retroactively changing zoning laws just to keep a specific company out? hack89 Aug 2012 #94

Happened a lot here in NYC with adult businesses stevenleser Aug 2012 #154

ALL adult entertainment business correct? hack89 Aug 2012 #159

No, I don't, because that is not the situation. stevenleser Aug 2012 #179

And it would be equally easy to craft zoning laws to conform to traditional "Christian values" hack89 Aug 2012 #181

No, it wouldn't. The 14th amendment would be the impediment to that. nt stevenleser Aug 2012 #198

And your proposal would violate the 1st amendment hack89 Aug 2012 #209

Your suggested ordinance would be a clear First Amendment violation. Jim Lane Aug 2012 #183

Not completely correct. At worst, it would be a conflict between the 1st and 14th amendments. stevenleser Aug 2012 #197

I completely disagree. Jim Lane Aug 2012 #200

Unless the company is asking for a change in the zoning laws and that JDPriestly Aug 2012 #182

No Son of Gob Aug 2012 #50

Nope, just constitutionally protected opinions. nt Deep13 Aug 2012 #91

I will demand that Government protect the rights of those I disagree with... brooklynite Aug 2012 #19

The "mosque" WAS blocked, IIRC. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #20

No. It opened. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #38

I hate to agree with you... Wait Wut Aug 2012 #21

What is it you actually think he did? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #52

He did nothing MNBrewer Aug 2012 #62

And on "Democratic" Underground. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #71

I know that Son of Gob Aug 2012 #77

Not what he 'did', what he 'said'. Wait Wut Aug 2012 #98

He didn't say any such thing Son of Gob Aug 2012 #105

"I wll deny Chik-fil-A a permit to open a restaurant in my ward" Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #112

SPAMbot Son of Gob Aug 2012 #124

"I wll deny Chik-fil-A a permit to open a restaurant in my ward" Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #128

Kewl, more Spam! My favorite. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #130

you can't refute it so it's spam...interesting n/t ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2012 #137

No, it's spam because s/he's posted it about 50 times in this thread. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #139

Not my fault that there's so much ignorance in this thread (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #142

Yeah, it kind of is. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #147

ok...well, how about someone refuting it once? ProdigalJunkMail Aug 2012 #148

The thread stated Mayor Emanual was abusing his power. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #152

Frustrating, isn't it? Wait Wut Aug 2012 #153

HAS it been denied? MNBrewer Aug 2012 #204

It's spam because he's copy and pasted the same message Son of Gob Aug 2012 #151

"Now as the Fonz would say, Sit on it." Really? Wait Wut Aug 2012 #113

Keep spinning, sport. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #122

That would be 'sportess'. Wait Wut Aug 2012 #127

Keep digging sportess. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #131

I like the way you think. n/t truedelphi Aug 2012 #150

+1 Strongly agree. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #22

It seems wrong to have Govt refuse them. mitchtv Aug 2012 #24

I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #26

So if the police raided the corporate HQ of DemocraticUnderground LLC for no reason, Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #36

i guess that might be applicable if dick-fil-a were having thier assets seized.. frylock Aug 2012 #65

Not an analogy. A response to "corporations have no rights" (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #70

But the franchisee niceguy Aug 2012 #192

Even when Rahm seemingly tries to do the right thing, he is wrong. (nt) w4rma Aug 2012 #27

Wrong about what? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #89

Wrong about expressing support for Alderman Proco Moreno's vow Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #140

So Rahm doesn't get the right to free speech? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #202

what is wrong with America!!! If a teabagger wants open a restaurant, as long as he doesn't nanabugg Aug 2012 #28

The President needs to quickly come out and make a statement about this. nanabugg Aug 2012 #29

and if Obama speaks out for chick fila DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #32

Oh, nice blanket bigoted statement. joeybee12 Aug 2012 #39

You know it is true. DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #184

That's the next step...get Obama involved in this... zeemike Aug 2012 #110

I agree with you.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #30

Rahm says bullshit all the time, and no one has blocked any chicken store from opening. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #31

Hear, hear! MNBrewer Aug 2012 #66

It's almost like they are forgetting we have an election in November. Redford Aug 2012 #34

I talked with about a dozen people littlewolf Aug 2012 #35

Did you ask them about actions? MattBaggins Aug 2012 #42

nope we were in a mall .... littlewolf Aug 2012 #173

sounds like bullshit to me frylock Aug 2012 #67

Please show me EXACTLY what Rahm said... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #37

I am with you. What exactly did he say? DURHAM D Aug 2012 #45

Here's what he said. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #46

For the 11th million time MattBaggins Aug 2012 #40

That's just a pretext. Most major corporations COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #64

I agree that politicians getting involved only hurts the cause. n/t Bonhomme Richard Aug 2012 #41

What a dumb thing to whine about. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #43

How many threads does the 'blame the gays if we lose' advance team need? Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #47

I think you've got their number. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #59

They are so easy to spot as it is cyclical and also repetitive... Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #83

I still see it as appropriate. randome Aug 2012 #48

Private citizens can, should, and must take Chick-Fil-A to task TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #186

'Personal behavior' is not what I'm talking about. randome Aug 2012 #196

Looks like you have created a false narrative of the matter DURHAM D Aug 2012 #51

He didn't create it Son of Gob Aug 2012 #63

I noticed that it is a drive by. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #68

Pretty frustrating when people buy into bullshit like this Son of Gob Aug 2012 #84

no thread of mine is ever a drive by scheming daemons Aug 2012 #117

The problem is not what this man thinks nichomachus Aug 2012 #54

The problem is EXACTLY what the man thinks. COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #69

Sir I'm going to have to ask you to cease and desist 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #55

That is absolutely right. Chemisse Aug 2012 #57

Who said they didn't? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #58

If that has happened, it would be equally wrong. Chemisse Aug 2012 #146

Which business was blocked from being built? Name it. Name even one. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #80

"I wll deny Chik-fil-A a permit to open a restaurant in my ward" Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #125

Yep. We should not act like them... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #60

Zoning would be a perfect way to do it MNBrewer Aug 2012 #61

Doubtful this would pass as a zoning restriction. COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #72

why? MNBrewer Aug 2012 #87

No rational basis for requiring all fast food COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #92

Rational basis: the city wants restaurants that serve food 7 days a week MNBrewer Aug 2012 #96

So you've no problem with driving out Orthodox Jewish owned businesses? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #107

Nobody said it had to be staffed by orthodox jews on saturday. MNBrewer Aug 2012 #108

So... by that reasoning... -..__... Aug 2012 #185

Why would a city care about that COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #193

Why would a city care if my lawn is 8 inches tall, or 9 inches tall? MNBrewer Aug 2012 #201

It's not city ordinances we're talking about - COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #205

Ordinance: all fast food restaurants opened as "out lot" facilities must be open 7 days a week. MNBrewer Aug 2012 #206

Good luck getting that to stick when all the Kosher COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #212

Yeah, kosher fast food places... eyeroll MNBrewer Aug 2012 #213

You're either intentionally missing the point COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #214

It's lovely how the "legitimate" religions are given such deference here in this country MNBrewer Aug 2012 #216

It's called the U.S. Constitution - COLGATE4 Aug 2012 #217

that's ridiculous cali Aug 2012 #74

It happens all the time MNBrewer Aug 2012 #88

Many Jewish-owned stores in New York City are closed on Saturday. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #75

I don't know what specific issue you are talking about, but JDPriestly Aug 2012 #73

Banning restaurants because of rat droppings in the kitchen is fine. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #81

And when did this happen, this thing you speak of? Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #93

"I wll deny Chik-fil-A a permit to open a restaurant in my ward" Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #101

correct me if I am wrong, but I thought it was the Mayor of Boston who said notadmblnd Aug 2012 #76

"I wll deny Chik-fil-A a permit to open a restaurant in my ward" Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #104

Exactly. Well stated... WCGreen Aug 2012 #78

Rahm did not, and is not, trying to block Chick-Fil-A!!! demgurl Aug 2012 #82

"I wll deny Chik-fil-A a permit to open a restaurant in my ward" Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #103

Everyone please read the article at the link so you can see how dishonest some posters really are. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #109

there is nothing in this thread that bashes gays. LGBTs are CORRECT to boycott... scheming daemons Aug 2012 #114

So what was the purpose of your lie if not gay bashing? DURHAM D Aug 2012 #119

what lie? scheming daemons Aug 2012 #164

Why spread right wing memes? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #123

Do you stand with Alderman Proco Moreno? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #120

No one is blocking anything. Deep13 Aug 2012 #90

"I wll deny Chik-fil-A a permit to open a restaurant in my ward" Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #102

And individual aldermen have that power? Deep13 Aug 2012 #111

In Chicago, those guys have considerable power. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #116

I don't think he has that right and I don't even think he claimed to have it tularetom Aug 2012 #99

"I wll deny Chik-fil-A a permit to open a restaurant in my ward" Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #106

No matter how many times you post this link Rahm is still not quoted in it. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #115

Do you stand with Alderman Proco Moreno? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #118

Do you know what spam is? DURHAM D Aug 2012 #121

"I wll deny Chik-fil-A a permit to open a restaurant in my ward" Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #126

Has Alderman Moreno actually stopped the opening of the restaurant? MNBrewer Aug 2012 #132

Do you support him in his quest? Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #133

"No harm, no foul", as they say MNBrewer Aug 2012 #203

More importantly - did Rahm actually say what is in the title of this OP. NO ! DURHAM D Aug 2012 #134

The OP does not quote Rahm as "saying" anything. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #138

The OP states that Rahm is abusing his power as mayor to ban Chick-Fil-A. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #141

I would say that publicly supporting Alderman Moreno's quest is indeed an abuse of his power (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #143

You haven't shown that he does support any specific actions on the part of Moreno.. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #149

Do you stand with Alderman Moreno? (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #155

Chick-Fil-A should follow the rules, just like every other business must. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #160

Alderman Moreno's vow is based on Dan Cathy's views, Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #162

Did you even read the article you spammed to this thread? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #165

From the article... Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #166

I guess that's where you stopped reading. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #176

Anything less than the Golden Rule will produce an effect that is OPPOSITE of what one intends. nt patrice Aug 2012 #129

Bingo!! liberallibral Aug 2012 #157

This thread is a classic. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #161

Somehow in these arguments I always seem to find myself siding with the ACLU (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #163

lol... fascisthunter Aug 2012 #167

Well, I've been accused of a lot of things, but "perfect butterfly" is a first. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #169

fragile too fascisthunter Aug 2012 #171

Well said. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #180

Hauling a false premise up the flagpole that just happens to require criticizing gay rights activism yardwork Aug 2012 #195

Thank you. n/t RoseMead Aug 2012 #208

You do realize that you are comparing a religious group to a business? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #168

but when it comes to MAKING MONEY, it's all ok in Amerikkkka. fascisthunter Aug 2012 #172

I doubt Mr. Cathy sees a difference. MNBrewer Aug 2012 #207

Germany does not accept bigotry for a good reason. fascisthunter Aug 2012 #170

Ah, that clarifies the issue. Thanks. (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #177

good... glad your proto-fascist self agrees fascisthunter Aug 2012 #178

Isn't this the Citizens United rationale? Deep13 Aug 2012 #189

Do you accept that corporations have any rights at all? Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #190

Corporations are not people, so it has no organic rights. Deep13 Aug 2012 #210

Well then let Mr. Cathy hire a lawyer and sue in court, if he wants. closeupready Aug 2012 #194

Hate to say it, but Rahm did overreach. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #199

Excellent article in CNN explaining the legal aspect - lynne Aug 2012 #211

But we CAN prevent the Ku Klux Klan from adopting highways. randome Aug 2012 #215

Missouri tried to stop the KKK from adopting a highway and lost in court - lynne Aug 2012 #218