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dawg day

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3. He's sort of off the rails

Sat May 26, 2018, 12:20 PM

May 2018

It happened in front of a dozen witnesses. Rosey Grier (the great NFL player) tackled Sirhan right after the shooting. There are photos taken immediately after.
It could be he was hired by someone, but if there was a second gunman, where was he?

RFK, Jr., doesn't seem to have his father's incisive brain, that's for sure. It must be difficult, however, to realize how much longer you've lived than your dad, but how much more he accomplished.

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Who killed Bobby Kennedy? His son, RFK Jr., doesn't believe Sirhan acted alone (WAPO) [View all] hlthe2b May 2018 OP

Isn't he an anti-vaxxer? RockRaven May 2018 #1

Read the article. It is Schrade that I find compelling. This has nothing to do with vaccines. hlthe2b May 2018 #4

More than that, I'd want more on the ballistics Maeve May 2018 #9

The LAPD lost or threw away exboyfil May 2018 #31

I generally find that if somebody believes something utterly incompetent mythology May 2018 #62

This is an article from the Guardian ten years ago and RFK jr. isn't part of it. pnwmom May 2018 #84

No one is saying Sirhan didn't "do it"... hlthe2b May 2018 #94

But to answer your question... DemoHack May 2018 #6

Post removed Post removed May 2018 #7

He is also the person who saw the gross defects in the state's case against pnwmom May 2018 #23

+1 ucrdem May 2018 #53

Except the conviction wasn't overturned on the basis of the state's case mythology May 2018 #77

So sad to learn this, for me saidsimplesimon May 2018 #35

Give me a break - JFK Jr. is a great environmental lawyer and activist womanofthehills May 2018 #105

If you don't read the article you won't know what his criticisms are of the earlier investigation. pnwmom May 2018 #59

The article is not clear on at least one point for me AndJusticeForSome May 2018 #61

This other article from 10 years ago says 14 bullets were found. pnwmom May 2018 #65

So, they have possession of more than 8 bullets? AndJusticeForSome May 2018 #93

No. They haven't explained it. That's why there are questions. pnwmom May 2018 #108

Well, I did read the article [edit: before my initial response, that is], and it reads like RockRaven May 2018 #68

When Schrade came face to face with Sirhan at parole hearing, he argued Schrade was not K's killer womanofthehills May 2018 #106

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author fleabiscuit May 2018 #76

He is not anti-vax, he is for improving vaccines womanofthehills May 2018 #95

He seems to have evolved a little bit from earlier stances that were clearly more anti-vax hlthe2b May 2018 #96

Yes he is... SidDithers May 2018 #97

Hello.... you can thank him for helping take mercury out of most of our vaccines womanofthehills May 2018 #100

Wrong... SidDithers May 2018 #103

Bit of a cilla4progress May 2018 #2

He's sort of off the rails dawg day May 2018 #3

Paul Schrade (also shot) was not and is not a kook. I find him compelling hlthe2b May 2018 #5

He's saying there was a second shooter. In that crowded space, I think it's possible. n/t pnwmom May 2018 #24

RFK Jr. has been a great activist & environmentalist womanofthehills May 2018 #102

I Agree With Him colsohlibgal May 2018 #8

If it was such a mob scene, how does anyone know Sirhan didn't get that close EffieBlack May 2018 #14

Not all the evidence points at Sirhan Sirhan. Some points away from him. pnwmom May 2018 #25

Also, both RFK Jr. & Schrade do not believe Sirhan killed Kennedy after meeting Sirhan in person womanofthehills May 2018 #107

Not true. H2O Man May 2018 #55

Your reference to Bugliosi isn't accurate EffieBlack May 2018 #69

That's inaccurate. H2O Man May 2018 #109

Regardless what Bugliosi said during the trial, the court did NOT find there was a conspiracy EffieBlack May 2018 #111

Two important things: H2O Man May 2018 #120

One thing EffieBlack May 2018 #121

Thank you! H2O Man May 2018 #122

Pardon my interjection, but he certainly is (a class act)... I only know Bugliosi's work hlthe2b May 2018 #123

Interesting read MiniMe May 2018 #10

It has come up... Particularly the ballistics and the failure to keep some of the evidence hlthe2b May 2018 #11

It has -- and more. Like audio recordings, for example. But it keeps getting dismissed, pnwmom May 2018 #66

Sirhan Sirhan was there with a 22 pistol that he fired repeatedly struggle4progress May 2018 #12

True EffieBlack May 2018 #13

Sometimes we just can't understand the crazy acts of crazy people unless we're crazy too struggle4progress May 2018 #17

The question is if there was a 2nd shooter as well. pnwmom May 2018 #38

Right, but he was shooting from in front of RFK, and the autopsy says pnwmom May 2018 #26

This isn't a conspiracy theory, just an MSM report about what a kooky Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #15

Not only did Sirhan confess, not only did he have notebooks talking about it grantcart May 2018 #16

This has nothing to do with Sirhan's guilt--clearly established, but a second shooter. n/t hlthe2b May 2018 #18

Thanks for Posting the Article. There is a lot of Evidence LarryNM May 2018 #39

thank you for that... hlthe2b May 2018 #41

And the reason that all of the other Kennedy's and well known grantcart May 2018 #45

It is a WAPO article... hlthe2b May 2018 #48

We don't know what ALL the other Kennedy's think today, in light of evidence pnwmom May 2018 #57

That seems to be a strong selling point for Cha May 2018 #88

Yes -- I keep looking for an explanation for that, and all I find are people dismissing it pnwmom May 2018 #89

Not true. One of the men who was shot that day is the biggest proponent of the 2nd shooter theory pnwmom May 2018 #58

The revisionists think there was a conspiracy or a coverup, claim struggle4progress May 2018 #19

Wasn't there an effort to prevent those diaries being presented as evidence? madamesilverspurs May 2018 #37

Try as you might with facts, you still can't convince some people. tonyt53 May 2018 #40

Not true. One of the men who was shot is convinced there was a second shooter. pnwmom May 2018 #60

There is ZERO evidence of a second shooter. There are a gazillion conspiracy theories though. tonyt53 May 2018 #101

No, they recovered 13-14 bullets in the bodies or in the site pnwmom May 2018 #104

"The Guardian" is your source of info??? There was no such document. tonyt53 May 2018 #112

What do you mean by "there was no such document"? And the Guardian is not a tabloid. pnwmom May 2018 #113

There's no conspiracy theory too whacky, either. kcr May 2018 #75

There was lots of extremely questionable evidence Kentonio May 2018 #86

They caught the guy at the time...give me a break from all these conspiracy theories. Demsrule86 May 2018 #20

No one is saying Sirhan wasn't guilty. The issue is if there was a second shooter. READ the article hlthe2b May 2018 #21

It doesn't matter to me either. Demsrule86 May 2018 #22

There is autopsy evidence that would support a second shooter theory. pnwmom May 2018 #27

Could RFK simply have turned his head, which would make shots from front appear to be from behind? Liberty Belle May 2018 #33

That wouldn't explain the shot delivered behind his ear at point blank range. pnwmom May 2018 #34

The coroner (Thomas Noguchi) put the said the bullet that caused dflprincess May 2018 #67

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #78

I saw Bobby Kennedy the day before....... ProudMNDemocrat May 2018 #28

Even if there was a second shooter madville May 2018 #29

If there was a second shooter, that person should be found and convicted also. pnwmom May 2018 #30

Of course not madville May 2018 #32

Sometimes conspiracies actually happened. We are seeing that right now pnwmom May 2018 #36

And sometimes they don't EffieBlack May 2018 #70

RFK's widow, brother, sisters, and the rest of his children all believed/believe Sirhan acted alone EffieBlack May 2018 #71

I haven't read that anywhere. And I know that one of the men who was shot pnwmom May 2018 #72

Plenty more other people who were also there - and who weren't distracted by being shot - EffieBlack May 2018 #79

I'm just curious. What do you think about the fact that 14 bullets were found pnwmom May 2018 #80

I told you I'm not engaging in this discussion EffieBlack May 2018 #82

I don't believe in a conspiracy theory with regard to the RFK assassination. pnwmom May 2018 #83

Benjamins IADEMO2004 May 2018 #42

I really don't know what to believe. Recently a program aired about Sirhan being ''programmed''. YOHABLO May 2018 #43

You can say that again grantcart May 2018 #46

CIA mind control... Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #47

If there were two shooters that would of been very easily discerned by the eyewitnesses Kirk Lover May 2018 #73

I really don't know what to believe. Recently a program aired about Sirhan being ''programmed''. YOHABLO May 2018 #44

I don't care if it comes from the WP, it is still bullshit. Mr. anti-vaxer has seen the evidence still_one May 2018 #49

The article does not say Sirhan was not guilty. You missed the point or did not read the article hlthe2b May 2018 #50

There is actually some substantial evidence for the 2nd shooter theory, which is what pnwmom May 2018 #56

More correctly ... left-of-center2012 May 2018 #51

Yes... this is the article title, but should have been "RFK doesn't believe Sirhan acted alone" OR hlthe2b May 2018 #52

Yes, that would have been better.. less confusing. Cha May 2018 #91

K'n'R ucrdem May 2018 #54

meh. I'll let the historians figure it out. aikoaiko May 2018 #63

I miss the old DU n/t kcr May 2018 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author hlthe2b May 2018 #92

I will take the plunge. saidsimplesimon May 2018 #81

No, it might be a simple mistake, borne out of the desire to get the matter over with. pnwmom May 2018 #90

This country is reaping what is has sown. roamer65 May 2018 #85

So much strangeness around this case Kentonio May 2018 #87

Anti-vaxxer Kennedy also believes conspiracy theory about RFK... SidDithers May 2018 #98

In five short years Rustynaerduwell May 2018 #99

I'm glad some Dems said something. 50th anniversary, and all. Mc Mike May 2018 #110

I appreciate the opening "NOTE", but the subject is the same kind of... LAS14 May 2018 #114

I used the actual title as we are SUPPOSED to. hlthe2b May 2018 #116

You can use your own title. You don't have to copy the misleading... LAS14 May 2018 #117

I guess it is only LBN where you can't edit the title... DONE (though I doubt it will make hlthe2b May 2018 #118

Thanks so much!! This kind of thinking I believe (hope?) separates us... LAS14 May 2018 #119

It's amazing and depressing how many of these replies... LAS14 May 2018 #115

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