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Lee-Lee

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18. So her entire complaint is that someone called about her loud music?
Tue May 29, 2018, 05:45 AM
May 2018

Really?

I have news for her- people call in noise complaints about loud music, loud cars, loud workers, loud kids, loud anything,

They do it all the time. On people of all races

It’s literally one of the most common complaints LE gets.

I worked as a deputy not far from Chapel Hill, and know lots of people that did and still do work there. The city is notorious for having lots of nit picky, oversensitive, will call and complain and expect the police to come out for the stupidest shit kind of residents.

Since I guess the author couldn’t be bothered to even find out what the noise law is and tell us, I looked it up for Chapel Hill:

http://studentlegalservices.web.unc.edu/legal-resources/legal-topics-index-2/noise-ordinance/

The Chapel Hill Noise Ordinance
The Town of Chapel Hill restricts the permitted noise level in residential areas to no more than forty-five (45) decibels at night (11:01 p.m. to 6:59 a.m. Sunday through Thursday, 12:01 a.m. through 6:59 a.m. Friday and Saturday) and no more than fifty (50) decibels during the day. The measurement is taken at any point on or beyond the property line from which the sound originates. However, there is a means for obtaining permission to exceed these levels for certain occasions.

Permits To Exceed The Permitted Noise Level
A person or group may apply for a permit, specific to the time (daytime hours of Friday or Saturday only) and place of a planned activity, to produce sound no more than ten (10) decibels in excess of the normal sound levels allowed. In considering the permit, the Town Manager may consider the time and nature of the activity, the timeliness of the application, the duration of the event, other activities in the vicinity of the location proposed, the frequency of the application, the effect of the activity on residential areas, previous experience with the applicant, and any previous violations. Moreover, the Town Manager must determine that the granting of the permit would have minimum or no impact on the surrounding area, or that the event is of a community-wide nature. You must apply seven (7) days prior to the event.

And there’s more: Permit holders agree to contact someone at every residential address within two hundred and fifty (250) feet of the property boundary of the site at least seventy-two (72) hours prior to its starting time. A signer of the permit must be available at the site of the event during the entire time for which the permit has been issued (to assist town officials in enforcing the ordinance).

Nuisance Noise
It is unlawful to create, cause or allow the continuance of any unreasonably loud noise, particularly during nighttime, which interferes with neighboring residents’ reasonable use of their properties. Nuisance noises include, but are not limited to, the following:

Yelling, shouting, whistling or singing
NOISY PARTIES
Repairing motor vehicles
Sound amplification equipment, television, or musical instruments
Explosives and fireworks
Security alarms (if unabated for twenty (20) minutes)
It is also unlawful to operate a vehicle sound system on public or private property, or a boom box on public property, if the sound is detectable more than thirty (30) feet from the source.

Violation Of The Noise Ordinance
A violation of the noise ordinance is punishable as a misdemeanor. It is cause for immediate revocation of a permit, and will prevent the violator from obtaining a permit to exceed noise limits for six (6) months.

There are many exceptions to the noise restrictions. Outdoor athletic events on campus, an official all-campus UNC event on campus (occurring no more than twice a year), street fairs, church bells, and similar reasonable activities are not affected.

Verified June 2011


That’s a very restrictive ordinance, to put it mildly. 50db during the day is a very quiet standard compared to most. 40db is the background sound level of a quiet officer and 60-65db is the sound level of normal conversation at 3 feet.

It is the quietest allowable noise level I’ve seen in any NC noise ordinance, in fact. That’s an insanely low noise threshold to set for a daytime violation. Literally if you were standing on the edge of your property and talking in a normal conventional tone it would constitute a violation of your voice was over 50db just inches away off the property line.

So if her music was audible at a level not even higher than a normal conversation at any point off her property than she was, in fact, in violation of the law. Evidently she either never bothered to learn what the law allowed for in her town or she knows and didn’t care. Or she learned afterwards, but just doesn’t bother to tell readers in her story.

So, while she’s certain this was about race, there really is zero evidence it is. And knowing the reputation for how many residents of Chapel Hill are, the odds are that in fact it wasn’t at all about race. They would have called just the same for loud music of any kind, because that’s how most of them that live there that are not students are.

Not everything is about race. When you breaking the law, even a stupid one, and the cops show up it’s probablh because you were breaking the law, not because you are black or brown.

Now, is it possible racial bias played a role here? Sure. But likely? Probably not. Are there any indications that racial bias at all came into play? None are presented. So the author makes claims of racial bias in her story without any supporting evidence yet leaves out some critical details that readers need to know like the fact that she live in an area where even marginally loud music is, in fact, illegal. So she makes it a point to lead readers in the direction she wants by leaving some important details out

The story is actually more about how the city passed an impossibility restrictive noise ordinance that essentially wants people to live in their own homes almost as quiet as monks. But, that’s the kind of shit that often goes down in Chapel Hill because that’s the kind of shit the bulk of the year-road residents want so they can call the cops anytime students or anyone else gets even the least bit loud or unruly.

Not everything is racial when the cops show up. Sometimes when you move to a place with a stupidly restrictive law and busybody neighbors and you proceed to break the law the cops show up because you were breaking the law. And they are probably just as exasperated to be going on another stupid noise complaint call in the middle of the day as you are to see them.

Edit: here is the more complete noise ordinance instead of the summary I posted above if anyone wants to see it all, but the relevant parts are in what I posted above. https://ilsr.org/rule/noise-pollution/2445-2/

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WOW , thanks for sharing ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #1
Cop Knock. Iggo May 2018 #2
How rotten-- dawg day May 2018 #3
What "incident"? Someone calling in false reports to the police? uppityperson May 2018 #4
Be sure to check out the Comments section, if you can stomach it EffieBlack May 2018 #5
So ready for some drama lol askyagerz May 2018 #15
Shit...I'm a doctor and my Alexa rocks out to Biggie regularly Docreed2003 May 2018 #6
Disgusting ismnotwasm May 2018 #7
Set speakers facing the neighbor and play some infrasonic sounds, around 5Hz. Make them nauseous. TheBlackAdder May 2018 #8
Most house speakers cut off around 35 hz. Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #27
I have two PB12-Ultra/2 Subwoofers Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #36
I'm still using my SONY speakers CountAllVotes May 2018 #77
Like I said, most. There's always an exception. nt Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #86
Most of those speaker manufacturer specs are bullshit, that the company puts out to sell their gear. TheBlackAdder May 2018 #38
Still, requires a lot more amplification at lower frequencies... Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #87
Almost every subwoofer will reach it with little effort. TheBlackAdder May 2018 #88
Maybe you're right... Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #89
Ah...The Brown Note. Iggo May 2018 #50
I'll admit that I googled for more info ecstatic May 2018 #78
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker May 2018 #9
Most cities have noise limits and/or noise nuisance laws even during the daytime. meadowlander May 2018 #10
I was helping a male relative remodel his house... RockRaven May 2018 #12
I'm not disagreeing with you meadowlander May 2018 #17
Its Chapel Hill. If the Pope was coming through and had a choir someone would complain about noise Lee-Lee May 2018 #20
If you don't open the door, what are the cops to do? MrScorpio May 2018 #11
she didn't have to open the door or provide ID. He would have left Demovictory9 May 2018 #16
bingo. Mosby May 2018 #42
I have got that knock many a times for playing music askyagerz May 2018 #13
That's really messed up RainCaster May 2018 #14
So her entire complaint is that someone called about her loud music? Lee-Lee May 2018 #18
Most cops on a noise ordinance call won't have a gun drawn woodsprite May 2018 #19
Gun drawn? Where do you get that from? Lee-Lee May 2018 #23
There were no guns drawn. Tipperary May 2018 #40
Oh no couldn't possibly be racism...just noise really Demsrule86 May 2018 #22
I didn't say it could be, I said it mostly likely wasn't Lee-Lee May 2018 #24
Less a truth, more a hypothesis, regardless of the irrelevancy of its convenience. LanternWaste May 2018 #30
re: "...no more than fifty (50) decibels during the day." discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #68
Yeah, that's an insane noise ordinance as I said before Lee-Lee May 2018 #75
Seems like it was too loud. I had the cops come to my door once for that. Honeycombe8 May 2018 #102
At 3:00 PM? Demsrule86 May 2018 #21
Welcome to Chapel Hill Lee-Lee May 2018 #25
It has been my experience that when cops arrive for a minor complaint with guns drawn it is Demsrule86 May 2018 #28
It doesn't say the gun was drawn. Vinca May 2018 #29
Yes, you are correct... Demsrule86 May 2018 #32
Was he supposed to tie his right hand behind is back, maybe hold it in the air? mythology May 2018 #34
She got a violation or it was 'reported' whatever...at 3:00 in the afternoon...yeah I worked Demsrule86 May 2018 #81
She didn't get a "violation", that claim is nonsense Lee-Lee May 2018 #83
ID was required so it could be reported...in my book that is a violation. Demsrule86 May 2018 #85
"Your book" is nonsense you are making up Lee-Lee May 2018 #92
Obviously, it is in the system...which is why he demanded her ID. Demsrule86 May 2018 #100
It shows how much you were manipulated by the way the story was presented Lee-Lee May 2018 #37
Oh and to your last part Lee-Lee May 2018 #39
She was told if she had another violation...so she got a violation...and so much passion and anger Demsrule86 May 2018 #73
No, she got a warning Lee-Lee May 2018 #74
No she didn't . He 'reported' the incident...not a warning. Demsrule86 May 2018 #80
A report is not a citation. She got a warning Lee-Lee May 2018 #82
Well, the cop is clearly in the wrong profession if he could tell the race of the person Vinca May 2018 #64
Maybe he did maybe he didn't, but she still got a violation Demsrule86 May 2018 #69
It's unknowable unless you want to go to the police department and audit their files. Vinca May 2018 #70
When they came to my door late at night once.... Honeycombe8 May 2018 #103
Which would be even slightly relevant if the cop had arrived with a drawn gun mythology May 2018 #33
No gun was drawn. Tipperary May 2018 #41
This is why I'll never live in an apartment building. Vinca May 2018 #26
Same here Rorey May 2018 #35
Then call the manager, not the fucking cops. moriah May 2018 #43
Exactly. Iggo May 2018 #48
No, they could be waking up another doctor who works the graveyard shift. Vinca May 2018 #65
I don't know what you define as "normal" Lee-Lee May 2018 #67
Apparently you all misunderstood. By calling management at 3 PM... moriah May 2018 #72
How do you know the neighbour didn't take that approach the last (X) times this happened? meadowlander May 2018 #91
Maybe this is my "ginger female" privilege speaking, but.... moriah May 2018 #94
Maybe luck of the Irish meadowlander May 2018 #95
That happens in the suburbs, too. Iggo May 2018 #47
I agree; I lived in dorms and apartments and treestar May 2018 #90
what about mowing the lawn? dawg day May 2018 #105
I don't think that applies to music treestar May 2018 #106
Anyone who has driven on a busy road marybourg May 2018 #31
She did talk about the volume of her music csziggy May 2018 #44
That really doesn't address the volume Lee-Lee May 2018 #51
have a nit discntnt_irny_srcsm May 2018 #71
Yeah my damm phone keeps swapping them Lee-Lee May 2018 #76
Another nitpick, sorry meadowlander May 2018 #93
I find it interesting that multiple people here have said the officers guns were drawn Lee-Lee May 2018 #45
Yes. Tipperary May 2018 #53
Buy some headphones Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #46
What if the neighbor MichMary May 2018 #49
And what if the neighbor had knocked on the door and explained that instead of calling the cops? Iggo May 2018 #52
Could have done that MichMary May 2018 #56
People want to call the cops for everything anymore Lee-Lee May 2018 #57
I worked nights for five years. moriah May 2018 #54
Sue them. notdarkyet May 2018 #55
I've called the cops on noisy neighbors csziggy May 2018 #58
So, here's the latest Black crime matt819 May 2018 #59
The problem here was calling the cops instead of talking to the neighbor IronLionZion May 2018 #60
This generally works if.. cannabis_flower May 2018 #107
K&R Gothmog May 2018 #61
Did she ever ask the cop what it was about? MiniMe May 2018 #62
I think it's pretty clear it was loud music Lee-Lee May 2018 #63
FIRST MISTAKE HAB911 May 2018 #66
All the comments acting like people would have called the cops just as quickly on Peter Paul & Mary. gollygee May 2018 #79
reality is that people are much less likely to blast PP&M loud enough to make the walls shake. nt TheFrenchRazor May 2018 #96
Assuming at the same volume, people would call on PP&M much less often. nt gollygee May 2018 #97
Would you actually call the police about loud music? dawg day May 2018 #101
How about Pantera? Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #98
Maybe they are Tupac fans samir.g May 2018 #84
"Well, maybe the music WAS too loud..." EffieBlack May 2018 #99
There's a lot of stuff to unpack here. cannabis_flower May 2018 #104
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